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hello everybody
today i have the distinct pleasure
of speaking with dr Gad Saad
a friend of mine a colleague an early
supporter of mine when those were
few and those were few and far between
when when all the publicity emerged
initially surrounding me and the videos
i made regarding uh
bill c-16 in canada Gad was one of the
first people to interview me
and he took i would say a substantial
risk in doing so
um we stayed in contact since then
doing some podcasts together we’ve done
each other’s podcasts
um and we spoke together at a free speech rally in
toronto and that’s a couple of years ago
now three years ago i think
yeah three tumultuous years to say the least
gad has recently written the parasitic mind
how infectious ideas are killing common sense
and a number of other books as well
which you can see arrayed
behind him the consuming instinct a
contributor to the evolutionary basis of
consumption if i remember correctly no
the sole author of that one but the other one
is the edited book right and that’s evolutionary psychology
in the behavior in the business sciences exactly yeah
so we’re going to talk about god’s book today but
a variety of other things too so and i
think the conversation will naturally tend
towards the topics that are outlined in
the book and in any case
um so let’s start with that you talk
about infectious ideas anyways i should
say it’s very nice to see you guys thank
you very much for coming on to this
podcast youtube jordan it’s uh it’s so
nice to have you back
in the public sphere i can speak for
millions of fans we’ve missed you and
i’m delighted to be with you
well i tell you for me it’s a lifesaver man
to be able to come back after being sick for so long and and
to be able to jump back into doing this
i i’m certainly not at my peak by any
stretch of the imagination but it’s such a relief that
i still have a life waiting to be picked up
and that i can ask people to
come and talk to me and they will and i
can start communicating with people again
it’s literally a lifesaver and i mean
that most sincerely so
i really do appreciate you coming to
talk to me and i hope we get a long ways today
there’s lots of things i want to talk to you about um
you talk about infectious ideas and
let’s talk about that a little bit
um your book
so i’m gonna i’m gonna take a
bit of a critical stance to begin with i think
your book concentrates a lot on infectious ideas
on the left and of course that’s been a
particular preoccupation of mine in
recent years although i was
i spent a lot of my career dissecting
infectious ideas on the right
because i was very appalled as any
reasonable person would be about what happened
i mean it’s ridiculous to even have to
say it but i was preoccupied in some sense what
by what happened in germany in the 1930s and the 1940s
and the infectious ideas that possessed
that entire community
that entire country
and the devastating consequences of that
and so it’s obviously the case that
infectious ideas can emerge
across the political spectrum maybe even
in the moderate center but certainly on
the right but your book concentrates
almost solely on the excesses
the ideological excesses of the left and
i’m wondering what you think of that as a scientist
sure uh it’s a great point that you
raise and i actually address it
uh very early in the book where i argue that
it is absolutely not the case that
it’s only one side of the political
aisle that could be parasitized by bad
ideas and idea pathogens
the reason why i specifically focus on uh
ideas stemming from the left is not
because this is a political book but rather because
i operate and you you’ve operated your
entire life within an ecosystem called
the you know academia and within the
context of academia the idea pathogens that are
most likely to proliferate are those
that are stemming that are being spawned by leftist professors
this certainly does not apply that the
right could not itself be parasitized by
countless other idea pathogens so it’s
not because i was trying to take a
political position but rather
as any epidemiologic epidemiologist would do
or and or i call myself a parasitologist
at the human mind
i happen to be focusing on idea pathogens
that are the ones that define my daily reality
exactly okay i i can i can sympathize
with that because i would say as well that as a
an academic i haven’t felt the pressure
of right wing conspiratorial theories in
relationship to my work
but i would say this is this is
something that has happened is that
i started to talk about political ideas because of
the consequences of left-wing
ideological thinking in the academy
and what happened as a consequence of
that was that i was branded as you have
been as a right-wing thinker an alt-right thinker
maybe even a nazi because i was called
out on more than one occasion and i
think that might be true of you too
although you make a more a less
believable nazi than me i would say
given your background um a less
plausible nazi let’s say
so i found that when i objected to the
to the excesses of the left the people
who sprang to my defense tended
logically enough to come from the right
and and there were tendrils
feelers out from even the more radical
right to see if
because i was opposed to the radical
left that i might be a supporter say of
the radical right and
what was interesting about that to me
watching that is that
you tend to think better of people when
they come to your defense
and so i noticed uh
what would i say
it’s it’s hard to keep your centrist bearings
when you go after one side of the
political equation and you’re befriended
at least in part by the other
or the or the the feelers are there and
so i’m wondering
what you think about that do you think
that have you shifted more towards the right
as a consequence of of yeah
opposing the radical left i don’t think
so because oftentimes people ask me
you know you never espouse a particular
position about your political tribe and and
i answer them not to be coy or to be
evasive i tell them
that’s because i truly don’t believe
in sort of an all-encompassing label
that defines my political positions there are
many positions on which you would think
oh this is a conservative position so
for example when it comes to open door policy
or aka immigration policy then you would
think i’m quote conservative when it comes to
you know capital punishment for predatory serial pedophiles
i have absolutely no moral restraint in the idea of
executing someone who’s raped five
children that would be considered a conservative idea
when it comes to social issues then you
would think of me as
extremely socially liberal and quote progressive so
so really my own personal tribe is one
that is defined by examining each individual
issue and then proposing a position
based on sort of universal foundational
principles so the fact again that i
criticized largely the left says nothing
about my ability to
have most of my friends be leftist
by me believing in many of their uh positions
it’s simply that you know it’s the way i
like to compare it is
if i were an endocrinologist who specializes
in treating diabetes it would be silly
for someone to come to me and say but wait a second
dr sad how come you’re never exploring
melanoma don’t you know that melanoma is a deadly disease
well of course it is i just happen to be
someone who is studying
diabetes that doesn’t state anything about the dangers
of the endless other panel plea of
diseases that might afflict human beings
and so i think it’s really very much in that spirit that
i wrote this book it’s not at all that
the right cannot be parasitized
take for example anti-scientific reasoning
often times my leftist colleagues will
pretend as though it is the right
who engages in anti-science rhetoric now
let’s take a discipline that
i’m in evolutionary psychology well when
it comes to the rejection of evolution
it is much more likely to be people on
the right who reject evolution
when it comes to evolutionary psychology in particular though
it’s a lot more likely to be people on
the left who reject
you know evolutionary arguments for to
explain for example sex differences
so it’s not that one party is
anti-science more than the other is that
each party has its own
anti-scientific lenses and myopia
okay so i guess these questions are
particularly germane given what happened
in washington in the last two weeks and
what still might happen in the next few
days we’ll see
there’s i’ve noticed recently
among friends and family members as well as
more broadly in the culture that there is a
pronounced increase in the degree to which
conspiratorial theories in particular
and paranoid theories are propagating
on the right i think now i don’t know much about keelanon
i’ve been out of the loop and and i i
should be more on top of that but i’m not but
i do know that that it’s
popular and pervasive and i do know that
trump’s claims to have won the election are supported
by a network of conspiratorial thinking
i was speaking with douglas murray about
that and you tell me what you think
about this this is
sort of the conclusion of our discussion
was that so trump claims that he lost it
or that he won the election
and and actually that he wanted by a substantial margin
that’s the claims as far as i’ve been
able to uh understand them
and then to believe that this is what
you have to believe
you have to believe that the electoral
system in the united states is broken to
the degree that fraud is widespread and
pervasive and of sufficient magnitude to
move an election you have to believe
that people as close to trump as mike
pence have become part of a
conspiratorial network or have been shut
down by people who are able to put
sufficient pressure on him
you have to believe that the judiciary
in the united states which i believe has
ruled something like 60 times
against his claims and one time in favor
you have to believe that it’s become
uncontrollably corrupt even on the republican side
even when those republicans were
nominated by trump or
trump’s people and you have to believe
that the only person standing on moral high ground
through all of this has been trump and
each of those propositions seems to me
to be have a low probability of truth and their
combined probability is infinitesimally small
so but there’s widespread support for
trump’s claims that he
that he won the election and was robbed of it and so
so someone who is looking at your book
especially from a leftist perspective
would say well not only are you concentrating
on the wrong side of the equation with
regards to clear and present danger but um
the the omission of analysis of
conspiratorial thinking on the right
shows a blind spot that is of sufficient magnitude to threaten
the stability of society now not to say
that you’re personally responsible for
that by any stretch of the imagination but
um see i’ve really been thinking about this because
i have felt as an academic that the
greatest threat to my
scientific inquiry into my free inquiry
has clear and to my students for that
matter has clearly come from the left
but well but
there’s no doubt that conspiratorial thinking
is on the increase on the right
i mean i knew that was going to happen five years ago
and that’s partly the sorts of warnings that
i was trying to put out that
with enough cage rattling the rate was
going to wake up and
but well i’ll let you comment on that so to go back
i guess to to to reiterate what i said
earlier but in a slightly different way
uh i think what you’re this the the
argument that you’re making
is that the susceptibility to believe
the s there’s actually now a a
psychometric scale which perhaps you’re
aware of that actually
measures susceptibility to bs
uh it’s actually published i think in
the journal called judgment and
decision making and there’s been several
follow-ups of that work
uh so really looking at the
our ability to believe nonsense using a psychometric scale
uh all all i think that you are demonstrating and
the question that you’re posing is that
uh the capacity for people to think
in non-critical ways is not restricted
to a political aisle the left could be
anti-scientific the right can be
anti-scientific the left can succumb to
idea pathogens the right can succumb to
idea pathogens in chapter six of my book i talk about
a particular cognitive malady which i coined as
ostrich parasitic syndrome i think
ostrich parasitic syndrome is something that
all people can succumb to by the way not
only the left and the right can succumb
to ostrich perisic syndrome
being highly educated and otherwise intelligent
does not inoculate you from many of these
uh cognitive distortions and and and
you know irrational ways of thinking so
you would typically think oh well
you know while professors who are in the
business of you know
critically thinking would be the ones
who might be immune from this
and meanwhile as i described in the book
the ones who spawn all of this nonsense
are typically professors so again to
reiterate i truly don’t think that
it is a political statement to argue that people can
think irrationally i simply chose to focus
on the left because as you said uh
that’s the world that i inhabit that’s the though
the dangers come from those folks now
that doesn’t mean that listen i in 2017
when you and i
finally appeared uh at that event
in uh in toronto
i had received because of what had
happened with that journalist where she
wasn’t
invited and so on and do you remember
all that stuff jordan
sure faith goldie faith goldie exactly i
can remember where he made the
extraordinarily difficult decision to
not include her on the free speech panel right
and more than that i mean we sort of
advised the organizer what our thinking
was and then ultimately it was up to her
since she was the one who was organizing
well by simply stating that
the and the number of death threats that
i had received and i
and without being able to absolutely
know for sure i would predict that based on the
demographic profile of many of the
people who were sending me death threats
they would have been much more on the right right
so again it’s not as though i am negating the possibility
that people on the right could could be
absolutely insane in their own
unique and flowery ways all i’m doing
though in the book is
i am focusing on diabetes without
rejecting the fact that melanoma could
also be important so again
it’s really i hope that people don’t
read the book as though it is a political treatise
it just so happens that that’s the
ecosystem that i reside in
so what do you think the metaphor buys you
i mean you’re a biologically oriented
thinker you talk about
ideas in some sense as if they’re
analogous to life forms
and and so let’s explore that metaphor a
little bit what do you think that buys you
in terms of explanatory power well what
it does is it contextualizes uh
the the fact that many people slowly
walk into the abyss of infinite lunacy
in complete complicity so let me let me
give you a couple of analogies because again
in part it’s just uh prose that allows
me to draw a
powerful analogy but i actually do think that there are
literal comparisons in using those biological
metaphors so take for example the spider wasp
the spider wasp looks for a
spider to sting rendering it zombified
it’s still alive it then carries this much larger spider
into its uh burrow
and then it uh while the spider is fully alive but zombified
it lays an egg and then the offspring will
eat the spider the spider in vivo
well i argue that political correctness
is akin to the spider wasps
sting right it zombifies us into being complicit
in our silence leading us slowly into the bureau
of infinite lunacy so you could view it as just
powerful writing rhetoric or literally
the equivalent a mimetic
form equivalent of what happens
in biological systems take now when i
talk for example about parasitic ideas
well in neuroparasitology what you
typically study is how a particular parasite
will end up making its way to the brain of its host
altering its neural circuitry so that then the host
will engage in behaviors that are
maladaptive to it but adaptive for the parasite
and so when i was trying to come up with
a powerful way of explaining why do people hold on
and get infected by these alluring parasitic ideas
i thought aha the neuroparasitologic
parasitological framework is the ideal framework
to try to explain why otherwise supposedly rational people
could completely become parasitized by insanity right
why it would be that the lgbtq community
could suddenly become in favor of
queers for palestine as that this is an actual group
so it’s queers for paris time for
palestine but down down zionist pigs
so tel aviv is one of the
most welcoming spots for the lgbtq community
and so if i’m a member of that community it would make
rational sense for me to be supporting
a system a political system a country
where i could live in safety and freedom but instead
i walk around saying queers for
palestine that sounds parasitic
it sounds like the idea the framework
that would cause me to say queers for palestine rather than
tel aviv is not a good position to hold because
as someone who comes from the middle
east i can tell you that
uh lgbt community in gaza
or the west bank are not usually embraced
with infinite warmth so this is why i
thought that using a neuro person’s logical model
would be really apt in describing why we become
so intoxicated with these bad ideas okay so
a parasite takes over a host
so that the parasite can replicate
so it has an interest in the outcome so to speak
or it acts like it has an interest in
the outcome that might be a more accurate way of
of thinking about it so in order for
that parasite metaphor to hold true
the ideas the ideas which are acting as
parasites would have to have an interest
in the outcome so
are you presupposing that
ideas i guess you’re presupposing like
dawkins that ideas compete in a darwinian fashion
and those that are the best at taking over their hosts
are the ones that propagate the the difference between
and i of course i i cite dawkins work uh
yes memetic stuff the difference between
say a mimetic approach and the approach
that i take in the book is i guess
twofold one memes uh
can be negatively valenced they could be
neutral and they can be positively
valence right so memes
a jingle if i start humming a jingle and
you happen to hear me
you know humming that jingle jordan then you might
hum it as well and so my mimetic jingle has now
infected your brain so that could be a completely neutral
beam or it could be a positive beam so first the
the valence of memes can be you know all possible options
whereas the the parasitic idea passages
that i’m speaking of
i’m implicitly if not explicitly stating
that they are negative
that’s one number two uh
the mimetic framework operates as though they’re viral
whereas um there’s a unique element
to it being parasitic right so pathogens can be
viruses they could be bacteria they
could be parasites they could be fungi
and so i am the reason why i call them idea pathogens
is because pathogen is a broader term that can
incorporate viral infection or parasitic
infestation so there are a few of these types of
nuances between the approach that i’m
taking and the one that
uh dawkins took so many years ago
so a parasite tends to make a host act in ways that
that aren’t that good for the host exactly and
it seems to me that that’s potentially where the metaphor
breaks down here because it see
it also seems to me that people who are
pushing these ideas forward or who are
allowing themselves to become possessed by them
which is a metaphor i’ve used actually
gain as a consequence so they’re working
they’re working for the same purposes as the parasite
and so then you have to wonder if that
actually constitutes a parasite
i mean the people who are pushing a
given ideological position or even a given theoretical position
hypothetically benefit from pushing that position
as a consequence of the effects it has
on their success within their
broad community sorry if i interrupt no
i think i would look at it as
does the parasitizing of your mind
result in the proliferation of the idea pathogen
the idea pathogen doesn’t care about you
know your reproductive fitness so for example take
islamophobia if i can if now i’m speaking as a
uh you know islam islamic supremacist
if i want my society to become more
islamic or not my society the west to be more islamic
spreading islamophobia as a narrative is
certainly very good so if i could convince
a lot of people in intelligentsia in the
humanities and the social sciences
that it is islamophobic to ever
criticize anything about islam
so if the islamophobia memeplex to use
dawkins term or i would call it more of an idea pathogen
if i can parasitize enough minds to repeat this
then that is islamophobia memplex by
its spreading from brain to brain has an
ultimate goal of creating greater
islamic islamization of the west
i don’t care about the reproductive
fitness of the humanities professor
who is spreading that islamic
islamophobia idea pathogen do you follow
what i mean so
yeah well but it might be to your
benefit if you actually did enhance the
function of your host
if by being parasitized by the idea pathogen
it improves the reproductive fitness of the host
yes or in or in this situation maybe the
the ideological or the academic status
of the host because then
the ideas could be spread more rapidly
that it certainly does right so
if if we can create an echo chamber
where we could then spread that
idea pathogen more readily as happens
like in the in the
academic ecosystem that’s perfect but
the reality is the reason why i like the term
parasitic rather than mimetic is because by
having so go back to the example of queers for palestine
by having someone from the lgbt community
fighting hard against islamophobia and
fighting hard against the
zionist pigs and so on and it is actually
detrimental to my reproductive fitness i mean or
never mind my reproductive fitness my
survival right being someone who is a
member of the lgbt community
and standing up for a system
that would be brutal and repressing me is not
exactly a good rational strategy to pursue
and yet i pursue it precisely because i have been infected
by a parasitic idea pathogen you follow
what i’m saying all right well i follow
it but it doesn’t
it doesn’t explain to me exactly the
motivation for putting the idea forward
you know because the idea the idea isn’t literally
hijacking the nervous system of its host
in the same way that the parasitic wasp that you described
hijacks the nervous system of the spider
like there’s no direct
there’s no direct uh well there is
connection between the ideas and
and the motivations of the host and so i
guess that’s partly
i’m striving to understand that yeah so i mean
in the sense that the parasitic wasp is actually
causing a neuronal alteration a direct neuronal
alteration that causes the spider to become
uh zombified you’re right but ultimately
you know not to to be too reductionist ultimately
everything that we do including our
ideas could be translated
to neuronal firings right right but you have to
hopefully you’ll be able to specify that mechanism so
so that leads to well i mean
i i’m not suggesting that you should
have pushed your research to the point
where you could specify the neural mechanisms
but it does open up a problem i would say
maybe the problem would be
what you see in some sense in the continual debate
between right and left might be construed
in the terms that you’re using as a constant battle between
proponents of the claim that one
set of ideas is parasitical well the
other set isn’t
and so for example people who object to
a biological definition of sex
or gender would claim that the reason that
that the person who puts that claim
forward has been parasitized by an idea
in your parlance and i think this is
actually quite close to the claim that is made
um but that the true reason
for the claim so the true the true
motivation for the claim is is something
operating behind the scenes
is that the person who’s making the claims is uh
bolstering their position of power or
maintaining their position in the status
quo or attempting to put down another group
but mostly for the purposes of
maintaining the status quo within which
they have an interest
so they’re actually not putting forth an idea that has
any objective validity but
but being possessed in some sense by an idea that
has a function similar to the function
that you’re describing so
how do you using this metaphor how do you protect yourself
or protect even the entire critical game
where ideas are assessed
from degenerating into something like
claim and counter claim that
all the ideas that are arguing are
nothing but or that are competing or nothing but parasites
so at first i’m going to here maybe surprisingly
be more charitable in uh
attributing a cause to the people who originally espoused
and spawned all those idea pathogens and so
when i was looking at all those
pathogens and by the way let me just
mention them very quickly for your viewers
who may not have yet read the book so
post-modernism would be the grand daddy of all
idea pathogens cultural relativism
identity politics biophobia the fear of using biology
to explain human affairs militant feminism uh
you know critical race theory each of
these is an idea pathogen
so as i was trying to think of
some common thread that runs through all
these ideal pathogens very much like if
i were an oncologist
i may be someone specializing in pancreatic cancer
which is very different than melanoma
and yet of course all cancers
at least share the one mechanism of unchecked
cell division right so even though they
might manifest themselves and project through different trajectories
there is some consilient commonality across
all cancers and so i was trying to look for a similar
synthetic explanation for what do all these idea pathogens
have in common and here’s where i’m
going to be charitable
i think that these idea pathogens start off
from a noble place and they start off
from a uh a desire to pursue a noble cause
but regrettably in the pursuit of that noble cause
then they end up then they meaning the
the proponents of those idea pathogens
end up willing to murder truth
in the service of pursuing that otherwise noble goal
right so for example if we take equity feminism
most people who are going to be watching this show
are probably equity feminists i’m an
equity feminist and if i can speak for
you i bet you’re an equity feminist
which means basically what
we are you know men and women should be
equal under law under the law
there should not be any institutional uh sexism or misogyny
against one sex or the other so the christina huff summer
position so we can start off with that
being a great idea
right well we could even push that a
little bit further and say that if we had any sense
we’d want the the sexes to be open up to
equal exploitation so to speak
because everybody has something to offer
and that only a fool would
want to restrict half the population
from offering what they have to offer
even if he was driven by nothing but self-interest
fair enough great and so the problem
then arises when militant
feminism comes in they argue that in the service
of that original goal and the desire to
squash the patriarchy and the status quo and so on
we must now espouse a position
that rejects the possibility that men and women
are distinguishable from one another not better not worse
but there are evolutionary trajectory
that would have resulted in
recurring sex differences that are fully
explained by biology and by evolution
while militant feminists will reject
that and hence they’ll have they’ll suffer from biophobia
another idea pathogen in the service of that
original noble goal so think first i’ll
just do one more if i may
cultural relativism the idea that who
you know there are no
human universals each culture has to be
identified based on its own merits and so on
again it starts off with a kernel of
truth it seems to make sense
the gentleman who first espoused this franz boaz
the anthropologist out of colombia was trying to
uh stop the possibility that people might use
biology in explaining differences
between cultures and so on and therefore
and justify them that way
exactly and right the biologists would
say this is how it is and therefore
that’s how it should be
exactly so in the service of that original
noble goal they then end up building edifices of
evidence for the next 100 years where
the word biology is never uttered right
i mean and that’s been my whole career right which is
i go into a business school and i look
at organizational behavior and consumer
behavior and personnel psychology
and all of the other panoply of ways that we manifest
our human nature in a business context
and never do we ever mention the word
biology well how could you study
all of these purposes of important behaviors
without recognizing that humans might be
privy to their hormonal fluctuations
to me it seems like a trivial trivially obvious statement
to most economists this is hearsay what
does what the hormones have to do with the economy
so again you start off with franz boaz
having a noble cause
but then it metamorphosizes into complete lunacy
in the service of that original noble
goal so i think
if i were to look for a consilient
explanation as to why all these idea pathogens arise
it’s because they start off with a kernel of truth
with a noble cause but then they metamorphosize into
all right so here’s another way that
they might be conceptualized as parasites too
um imagine that the academy has built up
a reputation which is like a reputation
is like a storehouse of value
in some sense so you get a good
reputation if you trade equitably with people
and then your ability to trade equitably is
relatively assured in the future right
you’ll be invited to trade and so
reputation is like a storehouse
in some sense now academia at least in
principle or the intellectual exercise
has built up a certain reservoir of goodwill
which is indicated by the fact that
people will pay to go to universities to be educated
and the hypothesis there is that the
universities have something to offer
that’s a
practical utility of of sufficient magnitude so that
the cost is justifiable you go to
university and you come out more productive
and the reason you come out more
productive is because the intellectual
enterprise that the university has been engaged in
has had actual practical relevance and
you you might justify that claim by
pointing to the fact that
um the technological improvements that have been
generated in no small part by raw research have
radically improved the standard of
living of people everywhere in the world
and some of that’s a consequence of pure
academic research a fair bit of it
pure scientific research now what
happens is that other ideas come along
that don’t have the same functional utility
but have the same appearance and so
they’re not so much
parasite they don’t so much parasitize individuals
let’s say as they they they parasitize the entire system
the system has has built up a reputation because it was
offering solutions of pragmatic utility
even training students to think clearly
and to assess arguments clearly and to communicate properly
has tremendous economic value if you do
it appropriately because that means they
can operate more efficiently when
they’re solving problems
now but once that system is in place
with its academic divisions and its
modes of proof and all of that it can be
mimicked by um by systems that
that perform the same functions putatively but
don’t have the same pragmatic uh
they don’t have the same history of
demonstrating practical utility well let
me give you an example
um the idea of peer review
a peer review works in the sciences because
there’s a scientific method and because you can
bring scientists together and you can ask them to
adjudicate how stringently the
scientific method was adhered to
in a given research program but then you
can take the idea of peer review and you
can translate it into us
a field like let’s say sociology
and you can mimic the
uh academic writing style that’s
characteristic of the sciences
and you can make claims that look on the
surface of them to have been
generated using the same technologies
that the sciences use
but all it is is a facade yeah
and it’s the so that’s where the it’s that
it’s at that level where the parasitic
metaphor seems to me to be
most appropriate and so so let me let me
that you raised a great point uh
so a couple of things to mention here number one
i i reside in a business school
it’s and if i were residing in an
engineering school i would probably say
the exact same thing that i’m about to say which is
the idea pathogens that i discuss in the parasitic mind
have simply not proliferated in the business school
and in the engineering school for
exactly the reasons that you
began enunciating at the start of your
of your of the current comment right
because those disciplines are
coupled with reality i cannot build
a good economic model using
postmodernist economics i cannot build a
econometric model of consumer choice
that literally that predicts well
you know how you know that develops an
ai model that learns
what i should prefer on amazon using feminist
glaciology so i cannot build a bridge
using postmodernist physics so because those disciplines
are intimately coupled with reality
it becomes a lot more difficult for their
epistemology to be parasitized by idea patterns yes okay
okay so so now
this brings up some questions about
exactly what constitutes a claim to truth and
and i think engineering is actually a
really good place to start because
scientists often claim and i’ve had
discussions with sam harris about this a lot and
we never did get to the bottom of it
partly because it’s too damn complicated but
you know i tend to adopt a pragmatic
theory of truth even in the scientific domain and
what that essentially means is that your
theory predicts the consequences of a
set of actions in the world
and if you undertake those set of actions and that
consequence emerges then your theory is true enough
so what what it’s done is it’s just
demonstrated its validity within that set of predictions
now whether it can predict outside
that’s a different question hopefully it
could it would be generalizable but it’s at least
it’s true enough to have predicted that outcome and so
in engineering and i would say also in business
maybe not in business schools but
certainly in business in engineering
and you build when you build a bridge
there’s a simple question which is
does the bridge stand up to the load
that it needs to
uh it needs to be resistant to
um and if the answer to that is yes then
your theory was good enough to build that bridge
now maybe you could have built it more
efficiently and maybe there’s a more
uh you could have got more strength for
less use of materials and time that’s certainly possible but
there is that there’s the bottom line
there that’s that’s very very close and
in business it’s the same thing which is
part of the advantage of a market economy is that
your idea can be killed very rapidly and
that’s actually an advantage because it
helps you determine what
a valid idea is in that domain and what
a valid idea isn’t
and it does seem like the closer that
disciplines in the universities have
adhered to the scientific methodology
the more resistant they have been to
these parasitic ideas in your terminology
we should go over again exactly what those ideas are
right um just just so that everybody’s
clear about it when i start with post
modernism since this is one that you’ve
uh tackled all so many times yeah you
want to define it and do you want to
uh let’s let everybody know exactly what
we’re talking about at its most
basic level post-modernism begins with
the tenet that you know there is no
objective truth that we are completely
shackled by subjectivity we’re shackled by a
wide range of biases and so to argue about absolute truths
is silly and so maybe okay so so
sorry let me add a bit to that so we can flesh it out
so the post-modernists also seem to
claim and i’m going to be as charitable
as i possibly can in this description
because i don’t want to build up a straw man
um they’re very very concerned with the
effect that language has on defining reality
yes and the french postmodernist thinkers in particular
seem to have come to the conclusion that
reality is defined in totality by
language there’s no getting outside of
the language game there isn’t anything outside of language
so that’s where they differ would be
exactly that right deconstructionism
language creates reality is exactly what
you just described correct right and
it’s it’s a weak theory in some sense
because it doesn’t abide by its own principles so
for example and this is one of its
fundamental weaknesses as far as i’m concerned is that
daradah says that but then he acts as if and also
explicitly claims that power exists right
right right and so that language so if
you’re building realities with language
the question arises of
why you would do that and the answer
seems to be for the post-modernists is that it’s power
and that’s a quasi-marxism in right
right okay so you do you think that that
seems fair don’t you think
what would someone who was a
post-modernist agree with that definition
uh i mean yes the
the problem though is that postmodernism allows
for a complete breakdown of reality as
understood by a three-year-old it is a form
of this is why by the way in the book i
i refer to it as intellectual terrorism
and i don’t use these terms just to kind
of come up with
poetic prose i genuinely mean so i i
compare post-modernism
to the 911 hijackers who flew
planes onto buildings uh i
i argue that the postmodernists fly buildings
of into our edifices of reason
and maybe if i could share
a couple of personal interactions that i’ve had
with postmodernists that capture the
extent to which they depart from reality
may i do that sure and then we’ll get back to
elucidating the list of ideas that
you’ve you’ve defined as as parasitic
fantastic so in 2002 and i think this story might be
particularly relevant to you jordan because of course
you you know you broke through in the in the public conscience
because of the gender pronoun stuff well
you’ll see that this 2002 story
was prophetic in predicting what would
eventually happen so in 2002
one of my doctoral students had just uh defended his dissertation
and we were going out for a celebratory
dinner it was myself my wife
uh him and his date for the evening
and so he contacts me before the
the we you know we go out for the dinner and he
kind of gives me a heads up and he says
well you know my date is a
graduate student in cultural anthropology
radical feminism and post-modernism kind of the
holy trinity of and so i
basically the reason why he was telling
me this is he’s basically saying
hopefully please be on your best
behavior let’s not
yes and you recount this in the book
yeah okay so yeah
that’s okay no go ahead i’m just letting
everybody know yes yes exactly
and so uh i said oh yeah don’t worry i’m
you know i get it i get you this is your
night i’m gonna be on my best behavior
of course that wasn’t completely true
because i couldn’t resist
trying to at least get a sense what this woman
what her positions were so at one point
i said oh i hear that you are a
postmodernist yes do you mind so i’m an evolutionary psychologist
i i do believe that there are certain human universals
that serve as kind of a a bedrock of
uh similarities that we share whether we
are peruvian nigerian or
or japanese do you mind if i maybe
propose what i consider to be human
universal and then you can tell me
how that you don’t think that that’s the
case because absolutely go for it
is it not the case that within homo sapiens only women
bear children is that not a human
universal so then she
she scoffs at my stupidity at my narrow mindedness at my
misogyny says absolutely not no
it’s not true that women bear children
she said no because in
some japanese tribe in their mythical folklore
it is the men who bear children and so
by you restricting the conversation to the biological realm
that’s how you you know keep us barefoot and pregnant
so once i kind of recovered from hearing such a position
i then said okay well let me take a less
maybe less controversial or contentious
uh example is it not true from any
vantage point on earth
sailors since time immemorial have
relied on the premise that the sign
sun rises in the east and sets in the
west and here jordan she used the kind
of language creates reality the derida position
she goes well what do you mean by east
and west those are arbitrary labels
and what do you mean by the sun that
which you call the sun
i might call dancing hyena exact words
i said okay well the dancing hyena rises
in the east assets in the west
and she said well i don’t play those
label games so the reason why this
is a powerful story that i continuously recount and
hence included in the book is because
she wasn’t some
you know psychiatric patient who escaped
from the psychiatric institute she was
exactly aping what postmodernists
espouse on a daily basis to their
thousands of adoring students
when we can’t agree that only women bear children
and that there is such a thing as east
and west and that there is such a thing as the sun
then it’s intellectual terrorism
all right so back back to the the parasite idea
so sure okay no no let’s not do that
let’s finish listing the ideas that
you’d describe in your book as
as having this commonality so there’s post-modernism
and we already defined that as the hypothesis that
reality is constituted by language
right which by the way is a close as a close
ally to another idea pathogen social
constructivism or if you want
social constructivism on steroids which
basically and the reason why i add the on steroids because
social constructivism the idea that we
are prone to socialization no
serious behavioral scientists would
disagree with that and no avowed evolutionary behavioral
scientists would disagree with the idea that
socialization is is an important force
in shaping who we are
okay no no serious intellectual would
deny that language shapes our conceptions of reality
exactly right so the issue is degree
exactly the problem and hence the steroid part
is where you argue that everything that we are
is due to social constructivity right
it’s the collapse of a multivariate
scenario into a univariate scenario inappropriate collapse
and that’s by the way i remember your brilliant uh
chat with the woman from the british
woman that you know i don’t remember her name the
the the lobster stuff where cathy newman
cathy newman thank you
where you made exactly that point about
multifactorial right where you were
she was arguing everything related to the gender gap
must be due to misogyny when the reality
is that of course there might be 17
other factors with greater explanatory power that explains
why we’re there but she can’t see the
world in a in a multifactorial way she
only sees it as due to a single look
but this might that might have some
bearing on on the attractiveness of
of certain sets of ideas we might even
see if it’s the attractiveness of the
so-called parasitic ideas
i think it was einstein who said that it
probably wasn’t i probably got the
source wrong but it doesn’t matter that
a scientific explanation should be as simple as possible
but no simpler right right and so
and and that’s an occam’s razor exactly
with a bit of a modification there and you want to
a good theory buys you a lot and and
you want your theory to buy you as much
as possible because it means you only have to learn
a limited number of principles and you
can explain a very large number of
phenomena so um but
there’s there’s the attraction of the inappropriate collapse of
the complex landscape into its simplified
counterpart whereby you you rid yourself
of complexity that’s actually necessary and inevitable
what that means is that you couldn’t
make progress employing your theory in a
pragmatic way but if you don’t ever test it
in a way that it could be killed you’ll
never find that out right
and so it’s it’s very easy in my new book
which is called beyond order i wrote a
chapter called abandon ideology and
i’m making the point in there that um
you it’s it’s very tempting to collapse
the world into um to collapse the world such that
one explanatory mechanism can account for everything
and that it’s a game that intellectuals
are particularly good at because
their intellectual function enables them to generate
plausible causal hypotheses and so
you can take something like power or sexuality
or relative economic status or economics for that matter
or love or hate or resentment and you can
generate a theory that accounts for virtually everything
relying on only one of those factors and
that’s because virtually everything that human beings do
are is affected by those factors and so
that that that that’s that pro
is it it’s that it’s the attractiveness
of that simplification that accounts for
the attractiveness of these
is it the attractiveness of that
simplification that accounts for the
attractiveness of these parasitic ideas
so i would say the the idea of you or the the
the process of finding a simple
explanation for an otherwise more complex phenomenon
maybe could be linked to i don’t know if
you’re familiar with the work do you know
are you familiar with gert gigarenzer yes right so
so if you remember in his work which by
the way i love the fact that he roots it
in an evolutionary framework
yes i like his work a lot great i actually had gone
uh many years ago he he his group had
invited me to spend some time at the max planck institute
and so he’s got the idea of fast and frugal
heuristics right yes right it’s a
pragmatic theory essentially exactly
because it basically says look uh
you know economists think that
before we choose a given car
we engage in these elaborate laborious
calculations because we’re seeking to maximize our utility
because otherwise we we won’t pick the
optimal car if we don’t engage in utility maximization
of course while that’s a beautiful
normative theory it doesn’t describe
what consumers actually do because
you and i when we chose our last car we
didn’t look at all available options
on all available attributes before we
make a choice rather we couldn’t
we couldn’t we used too many exactly we
used a simplifying strategy
and in the backlash of digerenzer it would be a
fast and frugal heuristic because we’ve evolved i mean
if i sit there and calculate all of the
distribution functions of what happens
if i hear a rustling behind me that the
tiger will eat me before i finish all of the
distributions right the calculations all the distributions
therefore in many cases when i deploy a fast and frugal heuristic
it makes perfect adaptive sense but the downside of that
so to go back to your point is that
oftentimes i will apply
a fast and frugal heuristic when i
shouldn’t have done so
right so for certain complex phenomena my
innate pension to want to seek that
one causal mechanism is actually in this case suboptimal so
knowing when i should deploy the fast
and frugal heuristic and when i should
rely on more complex multifactorial reasoning
is the real challenge here okay so
so let’s say that a robust discipline
offers a set of simplifications that are pragmatically useful
okay and then being a
um developing mastery in the application of those heuristics
boosts you up the hierarchy that is
built around their utilization
okay so you have a theory that allows
you to get a grip on the world
and and to do things in the world like build bridges
and then if you’re good at applying that
theory you become good at building bridges and that
and because people value that that gives
you a certain amount of status and
and authority and maybe even power but
we’ll go for status and authority
so you have the simultaneous
construction of a system that allows you
to act in the world in a manner that
is productive but also organizes a social
organized society now it seems to me the
post-modernists get rid of the
application to the world side of things
so they really have constructed
a language game that actually operates
according to their principles of reality
it isn’t it isn’t hemmed in by the
constraints of the actual world except
in so far as that world
consists of a struggle for academic power
and endless definitions of reality
within the confines of a
of a language game i’ve actually argued
exactly for what you just said and
speculatively trying to explain why
otherwise intelligent people like michel
foucault and jacques lacan and jack derida
would have espoused all the nonsense
that they did and i argue
and i think there is some evidence to
support my otherwise speculative hypothesis
so let me let me put it in colloquial
terms so i am one of those
post-modernists i’m jacques laca or i’m
you know jack derida and i’m looking with envy at
the physicist and the biologists yeah
and the neuroscientists and the mathematicians
getting all the glory they’re the hot quarterbacks on campus
getting all the pretty uh women right uh
why aren’t we getting any attention well
you know what if i
create a world of full profundity where
i appear as though i’m saying something
deeply profound and meaningful
whereas in reality i’m uttering complete gibberish
then maybe my pros can be as impenetrable
as those hottie mathematicians right they are physicists
yep exactly i happen to be generally if
you do iq ranking among the disciplines
the physicists are the smartest surprise surprise
and so so we have physics envy exactly so
our physicist envy economists have physics envy
and that’s why they’ve created now sub
disciplines of economics that are
completely mathematical but fully devoid
from any real world applications it all stemmed originally from
wanting to be accepted in the in the at the table
of serious scientists right you’re
making two arguments now i think
i i think one is that
in the example you just gave it’s actually the
thinker that’s the parasite right because the thinker
wants to ratchet him or herself up the
hierarchy and attack who’s the thinker is it
yes exactly exactly the originators of
these of these theories
in your in your example they want to
accrue to themselves the meritorious
status that a true scientist or engineer
would have generated yes okay and so and
they do that by setting up a
false system that looks like the true system
but doesn’t have any of this real world practicality
and they justify that by eliminating the
notion of the real world
yes and so in that case going back to our earlier conversation
in that case the originator of the parasite
is actually getting i mean literally reproductive fitness
right well but it’s also acting as a
parasite on a system that’s functional
but then you could say on top of that
now he’s allowing ideas to enter his consciousness
and some of those will
some of those will fulfill the function
of producing this faux
reality in which he can rise and so it’s it’s
it’s a parasitical set of ideas within a parasitical strategy
yes yes i like it and by the way for it
for this particular parasitic sleight of hand
to work it relies actually on a
principle that you and i probably teach
in sort of the introductory psychology course so
fundamental attribution error the the idea
of that that people sometimes attribute
uh this dispositional traits to
otherwise for example situational
variables or vice versa right
i did well on the exam because i’m smart
rather than because the exam was easy right
well they jacques de vida being the brilliant
parasite that he was he was relying on
exactly that and let me explain how
if i get up in front of an audience so
now i’m jacques de vida
or jacqueline and i espouse a never-ending
concatenation of of syllables that are
completely void of semantic meaning
but that sound extraordinarily profound
two things can happen
the audience member can either say i
don’t understand what jacques laconte is saying
because i’m too dumb and he’s very profound
or i don’t understand what jack lacroix is saying
because he’s a charlatan who’s engaging in full profundity
well guess what most people in the
audience go for the former
right when i when i explained this to my
wife by the way she said you know what
you just liberated me
from a sense of feeling that i was inadequate in college
when i did it’s really a complicated problem like
look my assumption generally is that if i don’t
it’s not always this that i can’t read
physics papers in physics journals um
i’m not mathematically gifted and so there are
all sorts of scientific and mathematical claims that i can’t
evaluate yeah but most of the time when i read a book
if i don’t understand it
i believe that the author hasn’t made it clear
and and i’ve read some difficult people
i’ve read jung who’s unbelievably difficult um
nietzsche uh and neuroscience texts
jacques pancep jeffrey gray gray’s book neuropsychology of anxiety
that bloody book took me six months to
read it’s a tough book it’s 1500
references something like that and
an idea pretty much in every sentence
very very carefully written but a very
complicated book but i
hit the i read foucault and i could
understand him but i thought most of
what he said was trivial
of course power plays a role in human
behavior but it doesn’t play the only role
of course mental illness definitions are
socially constructed in part
every psychiatrist worth his salt knows
that it’s hardly a radical claim
um when i hit lacan and derek i was like no
sorry what you guys are saying it’s not
that i’m stupid it’s that you’re playing a game
you had enough self-confidence in your cognitive abilities
that you didn’t succumb to their
fundamental attribution sleight of hand right
so you you’re one of those rare animals
that said wait a minute
he’s saying because i know that i can think
and i’m not getting him the problem is
that most people that are sitting
passively in the audience
didn’t come with your confidence well
maybe that’s it maybe it’s that they
also didn’t have a good alternative like
i was fortunate eh because by the time i started reading
that sort of thing i’d always already established
something approximating a career path in
in psychology in clinical psychology
with that with a heavy biological
basis and so but if i was a student who
had encountered nothing but
that kind of theorizing and i i was interested in
in having an academic career i might well believe that
learning how to play that particular language game
was valid and also the only route to
success i mean one of the things that
really staggers me about
the post-modernist types that i read and encounter
is that they they have absolutely no exposure to biology
as a science whatsoever they don’t know anything about
evolutionary theory by the way not just post-modernists
most social scientists yes certainly the
ones walking around in the business school
think that biology is some nazi vulgar
oh it’s the same it’s the same in
psychology to some degree and but my
my sense has been that psychology has managed to steer
clear of the worst excesses of let’s call it this
this degeneration into
this abandonment of pragmatic yeah
necessity they’ve managed to steer clear
to that to the degree that they’re
that these sub-disciplines have been rooted in biology
it’s actually been a corrective it’s
interesting you say this because i
i and i discussed this briefly in the book i gave once
uh when my first book was released this
this one right here evolutionary basis of consumption
uh this is a book where i try to explain
how you can apply evolutionary thinking
to understand our consumatory nature
uh i had given two talks at uh university of michigan
the first day on i think it was a thursday i gave
uh the exact same thought in the so i
was giving the exact same talk
in two different buildings two different audiences
on one day it was in the psychology department and as
for your viewers who don’t know
university of michigan has consistently
always ranked in you know the top three
to five psychology departments in
the united states my former doctoral
supervisor got his phd in psychology
in university of michigan uh he actually overlapped with amos
versky by the way just a little bit of a historical uh
you know uh parenthesis uh so i give the talk
on thursday in front of the psychology department
and because as you said
many of them are neuroscientists
biological psychologists and so on
they’re listening to it and they’re like
oh yeah this is gorgeous good stuff god love it
the exact same talk the next day at the business school
which again you would think based on
what we said earlier they should be very
pragmatic in their theoretical orientations if
if something explains behavior then i should accept it
but because they were so bereft of biological based thinking
jordan i couldn’t get through a single sentence it was
as if i was metaphorically dodging
tomatoes being thrown at me i couldn’t
get through maybe five or six slides of my
talk because they were so aghast and
and felt such disdain for my
arguing that consumers are driven by
biological mechanisms and so
business schools can drift away from the real world
um i think more effectively than the
engineering schools can or or the biologists
and you’d hope that the necessity of
contending with free market realities
would protect the business school to some degree
but my experience with business schools
while often positive has often been that
um the theorizers couldn’t necessarily
produce a business right well it’s interesting because
i found that when i give a talk in front of
business practitioners then it’s always very well received
when i give that same talk in front of business school professors
depending on how vested they are in their aquari paradigms
it either goes well or not so if they
are hardcore social constructivists
then i am a nazi i am a biological
vulgarizer it’s it’s grotesque what are
you talking about with all this hormone business
so the practitioners are not vested
in a paradigm if i can offer them some
guidelines for how to design advertising
messages that are maximally effective
using an evolutionary lens
they go sure sign me up i don’t care
right right because there’s a there’s a
practical problem to me
so everybody has two practical problems we might say
broadly speaking one is contending with the actual world
so because you have to get enough to eat
that that’s the world of biological necessity
and then there’s the world of
sociological necessity which is
which is produced by the fact that you
have to be with others while you
solve your biological problems and you
can solve your biological problems by
adapting extraordinarily well to the sociological world
as long as the sociological world has
its tendrils out in the world and is solving problems so
you can be a postmodernist and believe
that there’s nothing in the world except
language as long as the university is
nested in a system that’s dealing with
the world well enough to feed you
and that isn’t your immediate problem so
you lose the corrective
okay so let’s continue with the list of
let me give you another one that i think
you’re particularly i think sensitive to
it you’ve probably also opined on
so the die religion which stems from
identity politics another idea pattern die
is the acronym for diversity inclusion and equity
that is such a dreadfully bad
parasitic idea because it really removes
so let’s again speak in the context of
academia but it could apply to other contacts that
apply to hr departments human resources department
yes i i think before i start
are you you’re out of your position at
the university of toronto now jordan are you or
leave you’re on leave okay well maybe
it’s a good thing because
since you were last at the university environment
the thai religion has only proliferated with much greater
alacrity so that now when you apply to grants
for grants uh you know with all of the
major grants the equivalent
for our american viewers the equivalent
of say an nsf grant the national science foundation
we have similar grants for people in engineering
or social sciences or natural sciences in canada
you have to have a a die statement that basically says
you know you know what have you done in
the past to to advance
die causes what will you do if you get
this grant if you if
this grant were granted to you how would you uphold
die principles and there is a colleague of mine
a physical that’s for sure
oh my god exactly so yeah that’s unbelievable
a physical chemist at one of our mutual
alma maters mcgill university maybe i’ve
given too much information here
was denied a grant because
it didn’t pass the die threshold right in other words
it didn’t matter what was what was the substantive content
of his grant application the scientific content
he just wasn’t sufficiently conv by the way right so
so that’s an indication that’s a situation where
the elevation of that particular ideological game
that’s been elevated over the game of science
exactly now that would be fine if they were both games
but science isn’t a game
right it’s a technique for solving it’s
a technique for solving genuine problems
science is what allows you and i friends
that haven’t otherwise seen each other physically
for many years to reconnect today and
have a fantastic conversation
as if we were sitting next to each other
it’s science that did that it’s not postmodernism
it’s not bugabooga it’s not indigenous knowledge
now again people think let me mention
what i just said now indigenous knowledge
yeah people will think oh oh that’s
racist that’s that’s that’s hateful
if i want to study something about the flora or
fauna of an indigenous territory where
indigenous people have lived there for thousands of years
i can defer to their domain specific knowledge
because they’ve lived within that ecosystem so
specific knowledge about a particular
phenomenon could be attributed to group a knowing
more than group b that’s what ethnobotanists do
exactly but the epistemology
of how i study the flora or
fauna how i adjudicate scientific issues
within that ecosystem there isn’t a
competition between the scientific method
and indigenous way of knowing there is
only one game in town it’s called the scientific method
yeah well that’s what knowing is that’s
the thing that’s why there’s only one game is because
there there’s there
as soon as we use the word knowing and we
apply it in a domain that would pertain
to indigenous knowledge and a domain
that would pertain to science as soon as we use the
uniting word knowledge we’re
presupposing that knowledge is one
thing and knowledge is knowledge has to be something like
the use of abstractions to predict and control
the use of abstractions to predict and
control it’s as simple as that and
you could be predicting and controlling
all sorts of things but
you act in a way you act in a manner
that is intended to produce the outcome that you desire
and the better you are at that the more knowledge you have
right so imagine if now in the university
you’re the dye principles are not only
being used to determine who gets a shared professorship
who gets a grant uh who do we hire as an assistant professor
uh but it’s also used to make the point
that there isn’t a singular epistemology
for seeking truth which by the way i
would love later to talk about chapter
seven in my book where i talk about
how to seek truth which is maybe relevant to
the many conversations that you and sam
have had because i introduced
i think a a a very powerful way
of adjudicating different claims of
truth and we can talk about that as soon
as that’s the nominological network
exactly thank you jordan so we can talk
about that if you want later
but i mean imagine how grotesque it is
to teach students that i mean is there a lebanese
jewish way of knowing is there a green
eyed people way of knowing is there an indigenous way
the distribution of prime numbers is the
distribution of prime numbers
irrespective of the identity of the
person who is studying the distribution of prime numbers
isn’t that what liberates us from the
shackles of our personal identity you
know when you can say that
and you can still say that people use
knowledge to obtain power
that’s a primary that’s a primary post-modernist
claim people use knowledge to obtain
power now that gets
exaggerated into the statement that people
only use knowledge to obtain power and
that’s all that’s worth
obtaining and then of course that
becomes wrong because both of those
claims are too extreme
but even in science you can criticize
science and the manner in which science is
practiced by saying well scientists are biased
just and self-interested just like all other people
and they’re going to use their theories
to advance themselves in the sociological world
yes and and and then you can be
skeptical of their theories for exactly that reason
but then you also have to point out that
well scientists have recognized this and just like
the wise founders of the american state
put in a balance a system of checks and balances
scientists have done the same thing and said well because
we’re likely to be blinded
even when making the most objective
claims about reality that we can we’re
likely to be blinded by our
self-interest so we’ll put scientists into
verbal competition with one another to help
determine who’s playing a straight game
and so the checks are already there and and
which which is to say that you can adopt
much of the criticism
that the postmodernists level against
the scientific game without throwing the
baby out with the bathwater
you still say well despite all that
despite the human nature
despite the primate nature of the
scientific endeavor and the jockeying
for position that goes along with it
there’s still a residual that constitutes
progressive um what progressive
expansion of the domain of knowledge
well so when you’re talking about the checks and balances
that replication is something that is
central to the scientific method
that is second nature in physics or
chemistry or biology but not in the social sciences
is where the social sciences fail now
obviously you know about the reproducibility
crisis and so on i mean i i yeah i was
always less pessimistic than
about that than everyone else because i
or not everyone but most people because
i always assumed that
95 of what i was reading wasn’t
reproducible and that we were bloody
fortunate if we ever got
five percent of our research findings
right it’s still five percent
five percent improvement in knowledge if
that’s an annual rate let’s say that’s
an unbelievably rapid rate of knowledge accrual and
if ninety-five percent of it is noise well
c’est la vie it it’s not a hundred percent but
but by the way that’s one of the things
that i love so much about evolutionary psychology which
might allow us to segue eventually into neurological networks
is uh many of the phenomena
that evolutionists study by the very nature of
for example them there being human universals
it forces you to either engage in a
conceptual replication or rather a direct replication
of that phenomenon so for example if you want to demonstrate
that facial symmetry is one of the
markers that are used when deciding that someone is beautiful
i can demonstrate that in 73 different cultures
right right we could talk about the
normal logical networks a little bit so
this is a this is a way to establish let
me let me introduce it a bit
okay because i think this is a simple
way of introducing it
what you want to do to demonstrate that
something is real you sort of triangulate
except you use more than three positions
of reference so for example
we’ve evolved our senses are a normal logical
network system so we say that something is real
if we can see it taste it smell it
touch it and hear it now each of those senses
relies on a different set of physical phenomena
so they’re unlikely to be correlated randomly
and we’ve evolved five senses because
it’s been our experience evolutionarily
that unless you can
identify something with certainty across five independent dimensions
it’s not necessarily real but we go even
farther than that in our attempts to
define what’s real outside of our conceptions
once we’ve established the reality of
something using our five senses
then we consult with other people to see
if we can find agreement on the
phenomenon and then we assume that if my five senses
and your five senses report the same
thing especially if there’s 50 of us and not just two
and that and across repeated occasions
then probably that thing is real and a
normal logical network is sort of the
formalization of that idea
across measurement techniques in the
sciences yeah i i love the way you use the census to
introduce this because there is a term
that i didn’t i didn’t describe this
phenomenon in the parasitic mind but
i’ve discussed it in other contexts
i call it sensorial convergence so for
example there’s a classic study in evolutionary psychology
by uh two folks that i know well one of whom is
a friend of mine randy thornhill where they
asked women to rate the pleasantness
of t-shirts that were worn by men
and it turns out that the one that they judge as
most pleasing of olfactorially speaking
is the one that is also identifying the guy
who is the most symmetric yes so in other words
there is sensorial convergence so that
two independent senses are arriving
at the same final product in this case
the product being the optimal mail
for me to choose and it would make
perfect evolutionary sense for there to
be that sensorial conversion so
right and in the in the book you
introduced the nomological network which
isn’t discussed
very frequently in books that are that are written
popularly right that’s an idea that that
hasn’t been discussed much
yes outside of specialty courses say in
in methodology in psychology i actually
think the psychologist came up with the
idea of normal logical network
so i’m going to describe what you just
said and tell you how my
approach of neurological answers is if
is grander if you’d like
so the the folks who came up with the
term normal logical networks and psychology
were coming up with a homological
network of triangulated evidence
when establishing the validity of a psychological construct right
so you’re establishing convergent
validity and discriminant validity right
uh the the campbell and fisk stuff which
by the way if there are any graduate
students in psychology what
never mind graduate students psychology
any any student should read the 1959 paper
the multi-trait multi-method matrix by campbell and fix
it’s one of the most right and there’s
an earlier one as well by cronbach and
meal in 1955.
struck validity and psychological tests
exactly right and it was part of the
american psychological association’s
efforts to develop standards for
psychological testing so it is
in fact a method of defining what’s real
how do you know that something’s real
and that’s what a normal
so if each of these validity constructs points to
ticking off this this construct as being valid
then i’ve now in a normal logical
network sense establish the
the veracity of that construct the
validity of that construct right and
that’s actually something a bit different than
maybe than a pragmatic uh a proof of truth because
from the pragmatic perspective the the theory is evaluated
with regards to its utility as a tool this is more
more like an analogy to sensory reality exactly
if something registers across multiple different
methods of detecting it it’s probably real
detecting it across cultures
across space across time
across methodologies across paradigms so
it’s really the grand daddy
of nomological networks if cronbach and
campbell and fisk were talking in a more
limited sense of how do you validate
a psychological contra construct this is
saying how do you
validate the veracity of a phenomenon
how do i establish that toy preferences
are not singularly socially constructed
how can i establish that
so maybe right and you do that by
studying primates for example you study
prime so not here i’m doing a cross
species now i’m gonna do across cultures
now i’m gonna do a cross time period and
then you might look at
androgenized versus non-androgenized
children and you can look across
a variation in hormonal status i am so delighted by how
closely you’ve read the book i am
honored my good man uh
that you’re exactly right and so if
one box within my pneumological network
did not convince you
often times the the data in that one box
is sufficient to convince you
but if it isn’t then by assiduously
building that entire network
i’m gonna drown you in a tsunami of evidence
and so i i consider this an incredibly powerful way
to adjudicate between competing by the
way this is why
in the book i demonstrate that it is not
only used for scientific phenomena or evolutionary phenomena
by building a normal logical for the question of
is islam a peaceful religion or not in other words
i could use this this grand epistemological tool
to tackle important phenomena even if
they are outside the realm of science
does that make sense yes definitely well
it’s a matter of
it so to to put it simply it’s a matter of collecting evid
okay um if you study us
if if you approach a phenomenon from
one perspective you might see a pattern
there but then the question is
are you seeing that pattern because of
your method or are you seeing that pattern
like are you reading into the data or
the data revealing the pattern
and the answer to that is with one
methodology you don’t
know exactly so what you want to do is
use multiple methodologies and
and the more separate they are in their approach
the better and so when i wrote my when i
wrote maps of meaning which was my first book
i wanted i was looking for patterns and
but i was skeptical of it i wanted to ensure that
the patterns i was looking at
sociologically and in literature
and were also manifest in psychology and in neuroscience
and i thought that that was ford that gave me
the ability to use four dimensions
of triangulation so to speak right and the claim
was well if the pattern emerges across these disparate
modes of approach it’s probably it there’s more
there’s a higher probability that it’s
real and so a psychology that’s
biologically informed is going to be
richer than one that isn’t because
your theory has to not only account for
behavior let’s say in the instance
but it also has to be in accord with
what’s currently known about the
function of the brain
exactly and that’s the approach that
you’re taking to analysis of business problems
exactly and by the way it it is truly a
liberating way to view the world because
it allows you in a sense to
so if you have epistemic humility you’re able to say
you know if now you jordan you were to
ask me hey you know in canada
justin trudeau passed the laws legalizing cannabis
what do you think of those laws well
then i would say you know what i have
epistemic humility i simply don’t know enough
i haven’t built the requisite normal logical network
to pronounce a definitive position on
this on the other hand
if you ask me a question on a phenomenon
for which i have built my nomological network
then i can enter that debate at that conversation
with all the epistemic swagger that i’m afforded
by the protection of having built that gnomological network
so it’s a really wonderful way to view
the world because it allows me to exactly know
when i can engage an issue with with
with well-deserved self-assuredness
and where and when i should say you know
i really just don’t know enough about this topic
and by the way and someone like you
who’s of course also been a professor for many years
if you establish that epistemic honesty with your students
it’s actually quite powerful because if
an undergraduate student asks me a
question and in front of everyone i say
wow you really stumped me with that
question you know what why don’t you
send me an email and let me look into it
what that does is it builds trust with
those students because it’s saying
this guy is not standing up in front of
us pretending to know everything as a matter of fact
he was willing to admit that he was
stumped by the student of a 20 year old
okay so so let’s let let me ask you something about that
epistemic humility in relate because we
want to tie this back
you defined a number of um intellectual subfields as
included in this parasitic network let’s say
um under the parasitic rubric
and it be reasonable to say that one of the
then you’re left with a question which
is how do you identify valid
theories of knowledge from invalid theories of knowledge
it seems to me that post-modernism has
to deny biological science because
biological science keeps producing
facts claims keeps making claims that are
incommensurate with the post-modernists
now it seems to me that a reasonable approach
would be to say well the claim can’t be real unless it
meets the tenets of the postmodernist theory but also
manifests itself in the biological sciences
it has to do both
it can’t just do one or the other
now maybe that wouldn’t work for the
biologists but the fact that the postmodernists
tend to throw biology out is one of the facts that sheds
disrepute on their intellectual endeavor
as far as i’m concerned because
if they were honest theorists
they’d look for what was solid in
biology and ensure that the theories
that they’re constructing were in
accordance with that rather than having to throw the
the entire science out the window either
by omission not knowing anything about
it or by defining it as
politically suspect and so so i’ll
introduce here another term i didn’t discuss this
much in in this book in the parasitic
mind but i certainly have discussed it
in some of my other words
so the the notion of conciliance
which is so let me let me introduce this
term for for your viewers who don’t know it
the the term was reintroduced into the
vernacular by e.o wilson
the the harvard biologist uh
who wrote a book in the late 1990s of
that title conciliance unity of knowledge
so conciliance is very much related to
the idea of neurological networks because
consilience is basically saying that can you put
a bunch of things under one explanatory rubric so
physics is more consistent than sociology
not necessarily although notwithstanding
what you said earlier about the iq of physicists
it’s not because physicists are smart
and sociologists are dumb
it’s because physicists operate using
a conciliant tree of knowledge
which by the way evolutionary theorists
also do you start with a
meta theory that then goes
into mid-level theories which then goes
into universal phenomena which then generates hypotheses
so that the field becomes very organized
the problem with postmodernists
is that they exist in a leaf node of right
it is perfectly unrelated to any
consilient tree of knowledge
therefore they could never advance
anything because as you said earlier
they exist within an ecosystem where they
reward one another but they can never build
coherence right that’s why physics and
biology and the neurosciences and chemistry are prestigious
it’s not because they are necessarily
more scientific than sociology
it’s because they take conciliance at heart
does that make sense
yes it it i mean i think to some degree too that
you know you also have to note that the
phenomena that physicists deal with
are in some sense simpler than the
phenomena that sociologists deal with right so
the physicists and the chemists and even
the biologists to some degree have
plucked the low-hanging fruit
that’s augusto cult by the way who said
this right august cult
created a hierarchy of the sciences and
perhaps because he was a sociologist inclined
he he placed sociology at the apex of the
sciences precisely arguing what you just said which is
it’s a lot easier to study the crystallography
of a diamond than it is to study the
rich complexity of humans within a social system
right although it that doesn’t make it
simple it’s still really complicated so
so i you know it still requires a
tremendous amount of intelligence to be a physicist
and to manage the mathematics because although the
theories have tremendous explanatory
power they’re still very sophisticated so okay so
i i’ve been trying to think about this
from the perspective of a postmodernist to say
well we’re making the claim that biology
and chemistry and physics all these this multitude
of pragmatic disciplines engineering um
to some degree psychology and business
they’re valid enterprises and they need
to take each other’s findings into account
so the post-modernist might say well these
variant various disciplines don’t take
our findings into account
and so they’re being just as exclusionary
as we are right now is that a valid argument
no because there are no useful uh
findings that they’ve come up with and
if you annoy any please tell me about them
i actually challenged are they useful in restructuring
society so that it’s fairer
no why not that’s the claim right and no no no
no but it’s not that straightforward because
it’s not like so let’s let’s make the
presumption for a moment that these are
essentially left-wing theories it’s
it’s the case that it’s not the case
that the left wing politically has had nothing to offer
the improvement of society right you see
all sorts of ideas that are
generated initially by the left that
move into the mainstream that
have have made society a more civil
place i mean maybe that’s the
introduction of the eight-hour workday
or the 40-hour workweek or
universal pension or at least in canada and
and most other countries apart from the united states
universal health care and i mean almost
everybody now presumes that those things are
um that they’ve improved the quality of
life for everyone rich and poor alike
and and i think
i think that that’s a reasonable claim
is the is the
is the are the claims of the
post-modernists justified by the
political effects of their actions
can you give me an example of a postmodernist
nugget that had it not been espoused
specifically by a postmodernist the world would be
a poorer place whether it be practically theoretically
epistemologically can you think of one
off the top of your head jordan
i can only do it generally like in the
manner that i just did to say that well
it’s it’s part of it’s part of the the
the domain of left-wing thought and it’s
not reasonable to assume that nothing of
any benefit has come out of the domain of
left-wing thought it’s i mean that’s a very general
it’s a very general analysis i’m not
pointing to a particular theorem
for example right but see take for example
in your field of clinical psychology we can say
okay cognitive behavior therapy by
studying that process and then by
testing it using the scientific method
in terms of its efficacy in reducing
anxiety symptoms in in patients
if i say nothing more i’ve just offered
a single example of a valuable
insight coming from clinical psychology
whether it be theoretical
or in the practice of therapy and of
course there are many more than that singular
cbd example that i just gave it would
not be hyperbolic for me to say
and maybe i don’t know enough about
post-modernism but i think i do
you can’t even come up with one i don’t
mean you i mean in general yeah
no one can come up with a single example
as simple as me just enunciating the
the value of cognitive behavior therapy
at that level you can’t come up with one postmodernist insight
the only insight that we have is that we
are shackled by subjectivity
we are shackled by our personal biases
and that is true
and any human being with a functioning
brain could have told you that
so do we need to build that kind of criticism
has been leveled within fields by the
practitioners in those fields many times
including by the postmodernist to their field
i i i would hesitate to say i would say you know
reflexively i would say no because if
everything’s a language game then why
play the post-modernist game
you know why does it why does it obtain
privileged status in the hierarchy of of truth claims if
if if if there’s nothing more than the
world that’s produced by language
well i i i think i mean because some of
your viewers might be saying well why
are they spending so much time on postmodernism and
there are other idea practices the
reason why actually it’s important to
talk about post-modernism because it’s
it’s a fundamental attack on the epistemology of truth
that’s right and that is something we
need to point out why that’s right
exactly right so so i had a a a very
good friend of mine who actually happens
to be a clinical psychologist
also just a lovely guy uh who
once asked me very politely he said you know god
do you mind if i ask you a personal
question i said go ahead
he said how come you are such a truth
defender and so on
and you’re perfectly happy to criticize
all these leftist idea pathogens
very much along the lines of what how
you started our conversation today jordan
and yet you’re not as critical of donald trump’s
attacks on truth and so let me answer
that question here because in a second
that’s a good one right so trump
attacks specific truth statements
i have the biggest penis all women have
told me that i’m the greatest lover
ever there’s never been a president who is
as great as me i have the biggest audiences
at my rallies each of these might be demonstrably
false and lies and therefore they are
attacks on a particular truth statement
that to me is a lot less problematic while
it is reprehensible i disagree with any form of lying
that is a lot less concerning to me than
a group of folks that are devoted
to attacking the epistemology of truth
okay define that and and define the epistemology of truth
so that we can get right down for the body is a way
of tackling truth the normological
networks that we spoke about earlier
is a way of adjudicating between
competing statements as to what is true or not
those are so the scientific method and
and all of its offshoots are ways by which
we’ve agreed that that’s the epistemology by which
we create core knowledge and then build
that front right okay so so let’s let’s
outline that a little bit so
so that’s that’s a really good point i
so there are there are degrees
there are degrees of assault on truth
yes and the more fundamental the axiom that you’re
assaulting the more dangerous your assault bingo
okay so so the non-postmodernist claim
so maybe this is the enlightenment claim
perhaps is that there is a reality
i think it’s deeper than that because i
think it’s that’s actually grounded in
in judeo-christian christianity and and even
and and grounded far beyond that
probably grounded in biology itself
but it doesn’t matter for the sake of
this discussion there is an objective world
there is a knowable reality yes
okay there’s a no knowable reality that
multiple people can have access to
there’s a noble reality but our biases and
and limitations intellectually and and physiologically
make it difficult for us to to know it
it’s complex and we’re limited
there’s a method by which we can overcome that
the method is the nomological method
which you just described
essentially which is the the use of multiple
um lines of evidence yes
lines of evidence derived from multiple sources multiple people
multiple places across time that enables us to determine
with some certainty what that objective reality is
that enables us to predict and control things
for our benefit beautiful okay
and the post the post modernists
the postmodern attack is on all of that
everything it’s that’s
and that’s why now i hope you might
agree that it’s not too
harsh for me to say they are
intellectual terrorists because they put
these little bombs of bs that blow up the
pneumological network that blows up the epistemology of truth
right and so you’re making a claim even
beyond that though in in the book which is
and this is the claim that i want to get
right to which is that
they put forward that theory in order to
benefit from being theorists
that that benefit accrues to them
personally as they ratchet themselves up their
respective intellectual hierarchies and gain the status
and power that goes along with that and
the fact that it does
damage to the entire system of knowledge itself
is irrelevant that’s that’s
that’s that’s uh
what do you call that damage that you
don’t mean when you bomb something
collateral damage collateral damage
right so they’re willing to
sacrifice the entire game of truth seeking
to the promotion of their own individual careers within this
within the language hierarchy that that
that they’ve built and by the way that you you hit
on a wonderful segue to another i think
important point in the book
and that is the distinction between deontological ethics
and consequentialist ethics right
deontological ethics for the viewers who don’t know
if i say it is always wrong to lie
that’s an absolute statement right if i say
it is okay to lie if i’m trying to spare
my spouse’s feelings that’s a consequential statement
well it turns out in many cases
the ones who espouse those parasitic idea pathogens
are engaging their consequentialist
ethical system right because what they’re saying is
if i murder truth in the service of this more important
noble social justice goal so be it
right whereas if you are an absolutist a deontological
you’re positing an objective reality
even in the domain of ethics
well that’s another place where the the postmodern
effort fails is that it can’t help but
refer to things that are outside of
the language game so by relying on consequentialist
ethics and i’d have to i haven’t been
able to think it through
just figure out whether i agree with
your claim that the postmodernists tend
to be consequentialists it makes sense to me
and i think that their emphasis on hurt
feelings is an indication of that
right never because there’s no objective
reality you can’t sacrifice people’s
feelings or lived experience
to any claim about objective reality
but by doing that they elevate the subjective
to the position of ultimate authority
and you know maybe that’s maybe that’s
part of the driving motivation
is the the the desire to elevate the subjective
to omniscience exactly and and this is why
and so i know you’re not mathematically
uh you know minded
but if i can just divert into my background of mathematics
in the book i talk about the field of operations research
which is the field where you try to
xamaritize if you’d like to to put in axiomatic form
the objective function that you’re
trying to maximize or minimize right
so for example when i was a a research
assistant when i was a
undergrad and a graduate student i
worked on a problem called the
two-dimensional cutting stock problem
so if you have for example rectangles of metal
and you get an order to produce
20 x by y sub sheets within that broader metal
how should i do the cut as to minimize the waste of metal
so operations research is a field that
is commonly applied for example in
in business problems where you’re trying
to minimize the queue time that consumers weight
or maximize profits right so it’s a very
very complicated mathematical field applied mathematics field
to solve real world problems so now
let’s apply it to this consequentialist story
in the old days the objective function of a university
was maximize maximize intellectual growth
maximize uh human knowledge
today it is on the idea that there was knowledge
that was that was genuine there was a difference between
forms of knowledge some were better than
others some are more valid than others
right so that’s part of the claim that
you can have knowledge at all
exactly whereas now the objective function is
minimize hurt feelings or it might be maximize
learning whilst minimizing her feelings well you know
i wouldn’t mind that so much if if the claim that
feelings were ultimately real was made
tangible because then at least we’d have
an ultimate reality that was outside of words but
you can’t say that the world is a
construct of words and then
say at the same time but there’s nothing
more real than my subjective feelings
like i have some sympathy for that
because i’m not sure that there is anything more real than pain
all things considered like pain seems really real to me
and it’s fundamentally subjective
and i think that a lot of what we consider ethical behavior
is an attempt to minimize pain given its fundamental reality
so it’s not like i don’t believe that
subjective feelings are real and important
but i’m willing to claim that there is such a thing
as real and important and true and so
it’s so it’s it’s logically coherent for me to
to to to make that claim it’s the
incoherence of the claims that bothers me
well it’s part of what bothers me well
we should we should probably sum up to some degree
because we’ve been i know i know i but
i’m starting to get
i’m starting to get tired and and i’m
starting to lose my train of
concentration and so i don’t
i don’t want to do anything but a top
rate job on this let me summarize for a
second what we’ve discussed and then
if you have other things to add that we
haven’t talked about then we can go there so
we talked about ideas as parasites and
and then we spent some time
unraveling what parasite might meant might mean and
the conversation moved so that we kind
of built a two-dimensional
or a two-strata model of paracitation of
a parasitical idea there’d be the
parasitical behavior of the theorist who puts forth
a theory that mimics a practically useful theory
in a in in the attempt to accrue to himself
or herself goods that have been produced
by theories that actually have broad practical utility
so there’s that and then there’s the parasitical idea that
serves that function for the person
who’s using it in a parasitical way okay so
and then we talked about um
postmodern ideas in particular as examples of that
and i guess the one one of the things we
haven’t tied together there is
exactly how the why is it necessary or
why has it happened that the
ontological and epistemological claims of the postmodernists
aid and abet the parasitical function
that’s that’s a tough one like
why did they take the
the shape they actually took yeah that’s
i actually i
i make an attempt to explain that and let
me know if if you buy it so remember
earlier i was talking about
what are some of the commonalities
across the idea pathogens
yeah and i said that they they kind of
start off with a kernel of truth and they
start off with some noble original goal
the other thing that i would say which i think
answers the question that you just posed
is that each of those idea pathogens
frees us from the pesky shackles of reality
right so in a sense they are liberating right so postmodernism
yes liberates me from capital t
truth there is my truth there is my lived experience
the prefix liberates me
from the shackles of my biology and my
genitalia so it’s the attractiveness of that
liberation that that provides the
that provides the motive at least in
part of the parasite
exactly right i if biology is useless i
don’t need to know anything about it
and people do that a lot people do that
a lot look social constructivism another
one of those idea pathogens
frees me from the shackles of
realizing that i will never be nor will
my son be the next michael jordan
because social constructivism as
espoused originally in by
behaviorism right the the famous quote
which i i cite in the book
give me 12 children and i can make
anyone a beggar or a surgeon or whatever
that is basically saying that it’s only the
unique socialization forces that
constrain you in life
that don’t turn you into the next
michael jordan there is nothing
a priery that didn’t start us all
with equal potentiality well that’s a lovely message
well it’s two now you got two messages
there is my subjective reality is the only reality
that’s the first thing and the second
thing is socialization can produce any outcome
so that’s a huge that’s a huge exp
that’s a huge expansion of my potential power
right i’m right by dint of my existence
and my ability to modify the nature of reality is
without without restriction yeah exactly
exactly and therefore it is hopeful
because it frees me from the shackles
of the constraints of reality right i
want to believe that
any child that i could have produced
could have genuinely had
an equal probability of being the next
albert einstein or michael jordan that’s
hopeful that’s wonderful
it’s also rooted in right so i
think all of these idea pathogens
share the the common desire for people to
believe hopeful messages that are rooted in nonsense
well that’s probably a good place to start
hey jordan so nice to see you we’ve been
discussing the parasitic mind
by Gad Saad and
when was it published uh october 6
of this past year so it’s just a bit
more than three months how is it doing
it’s if it’s do if you’re comparing it to all possible
books it’s a match smashing success if
we compare it to jordan peterson’s last book
then it’s not doing very well so it’s life is about
i don’t want to compare my next book to that book so
but it’s been doing well eh it’s doing
very well thank you oh good i’m i’m glad
to hear it i’m glad to hear it so
do you think we did we miss anything in our discussion
well i like what we did but is was the
discussion sufficiently complete so that
you’re satisfied with it i i
more than anything i’m just satisfied
that you’re feeling better that
your family’s doing well that you’re
back into this on the saddle
and that hopefully will have your voice
and i’ve been trying to hold the fort but
having someone like you missing makes it
that much tougher so i’m i’m so glad you’re back
big e hug to you and thank you so much
for inviting me jordan thank you it um
thank you very much for
for talking with me i found it very
enjoyable and i i felt that i
i got i know something more than i did when i started
the conversation which is always the
hallmark of a good conversation and
um i mean we can dig into these things
the things we discussed today endlessly
we never get to the bottom of them fully but
but maybe a little bit farther with each genuine conversation
and and maybe maybe the next when your book comes out
you’ll be sure to come on my uh show so
that we can decide yes well if i if i have the wherewithal
and the energy i’d be happy to do that and
maybe we can discuss some of the things
that where we haven’t established any
concordance i know that
i i’ll just i noticed that you had talked
admiringly about role theory in the parasitic mind and
i kind of and i’ve noticed before that
you’re not very fond of the idea of
archetypes and i thought
without something we could talk about at
some point because let’s do it i think
archetypes are biologically instantiated roles and so
it seems to me that we could probably
come to some agreement on that front
i actually agree with you if we leave it
within the biological realm
then an analysis of archetypes works
well for me when we start
introducing a bit of the kind of mythological
occultist stuff that regrettably one of your heroes engages
in that’s when i start yeah well that’s
something that we could profitably discuss
because i i think there’s a much stronger biological
um well look at it this way god if you imagined
imagine a culture imagined an ideal
and then imagine that approximations to that ideal
people who approximated that ideal were
more biologically fit as a consequence
they were more attractive
which you would be if you embodied a true ideal
well so what that would mean is that
over time the society would come to
evolve towards its imagined ideal
yes so that makes a biologically
instantiated archetype a very complicated thing
because it starts in imagination but it ends
instantiated in biology and and no one’s
ever come up with a real mechanism for that
right it doesn’t but but that works you
you posit an ideal
then if you manifest it you’re more
attractive then the ideal starts to become
something that evolution tilts toward
so i’m in agreement with everything you
said so maybe we won’t have much to disagree about
yeah well we’ll we should be able to
clear things up anyways and sometimes
that’s a good way of resolving disagreements
i look forward to adjourning so okay
okay god thanks very much hey
my pleasure all right bye bye bye
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World In Peril – Catalysm, Disaster and the Magnetic Pole Shift related to Climate Change.
at 48 minutes in they talk about a book named “World in Peril” that describes everything I’ve written about in my 2010 notebook “World in Peril”. I will have to scan it, since its written in pencil, and upload it next…
Its about the geomagnetic cycles and we are in the midst of it.
This is the entire transcript:
00:00:14 man-made climate change as I sit here
00:00:16 right now looking out the window of the
00:00:18 studio we’re in a blizzard it’s not
00:00:20 really a blizzard it’s a it’s snow it’s
00:00:22 just regular snow I got to be honest but
00:00:24 they’ve declared a state of emergency in
00:00:26 West Virginia because when you live up
00:00:27 in the mountains it’s hard to plow roads
00:00:30 so people are going to be slipping
00:00:31 sliding sliding down those mountains but
00:00:34 this is the end of a snow drought we
00:00:37 haven’t had snow I we had a little bit
00:00:39 of snow this year but this is the first
00:00:41 time in like two years we uh uh last
00:00:43 year we had none whatsoever and of
00:00:45 course whenever there’s an anomaly in
00:00:46 the weather people say things like this
00:00:48 proves climate change be it it’s too hot
00:00:50 out it’s too cold out whatever it is
00:00:52 that justifies their their claims which
00:00:55 reminds me of that joke from It’s Always
00:00:56 Sunny in Philadelphia I don’t know if
00:00:58 you guys watch this where it’s a great
00:01:00 show by the way but if you don’t know
00:01:01 two of the characters are taking
00:01:02 supplements a ton of supplements and
00:01:05 then one guy’s like I keep going to the
00:01:07 bathroom and he goes yeah well that’s
00:01:08 because your body’s flushing the toxins
00:01:10 me I’m not going to the bathroom at all
00:01:11 because my body’s working at Peak
00:01:12 efficiency my point being for those that
00:01:14 are just like what the hell you talking
00:01:15 about whenever anything happens for some
00:01:18 reason it proves what they’re saying
00:01:20 about climate change well we’re going to
00:01:21 talk about this we’re going to talk
00:01:23 about a lot of other things because
00:01:24 there’s interesting stff to talk about
00:01:26 as it pertains to the ancient world and
00:01:28 evidence of the shifting water bodies
00:01:31 where uh the Sahara for instance once
00:01:33 may have been underwater or portions of
00:01:35 it we’ll talk about that we’ll talk
00:01:36 about Egypt I’ve heard that perhaps the
00:01:38 Sphinx may have been underwater at some
00:01:39 point so we got a couple of guys hanging
00:01:41 out with us uh who wants to go first
00:01:44 sure I’ll go first who are you what are
00:01:45 you do I am Ben Davidson I run the
00:01:47 suspicious observers YouTube channel I
00:01:49 am Sun weatherman on X formerly Twitter
00:01:53 I am an expert in solar cycles
00:01:55 geophysics and most importantly probably
00:01:57 for what we’re going to be talking about
00:01:59 today Earth Earth’s magnetic pole shift
00:02:00 in the great disaster cycle of our
00:02:02 planet so is the pole shift happening
00:02:04 now yeah oh boy that’s going to be
00:02:06 exciting all right and next up I’m Jimmy
00:02:09 coretti I have a YouTube and Rumble
00:02:11 Channel called bright Insight I discuss
00:02:13 the various mysteries of lost ancient
00:02:14 civilizations cycles of catastrophe on
00:02:16 Earth and various conspiracies and I’m
00:02:19 thrilled to be here again with you all
00:02:20 yeah we did a show on your channel a
00:02:21 couple weeks ago a week ago I guess at
00:02:23 this point we sure did people were
00:02:25 loving it that was wild we dive deep
00:02:26 into some uh pretty wild stuff yeah and
00:02:28 it was remote so it’s nice to in person
00:02:31 great to meet you dude oh jeez so these
00:02:33 solar Cycles well we got Kell over here
00:02:35 up moving around right now so he’s not
00:02:37 going to introduce himself yet how of
00:02:38 how long do they take how long does a
00:02:40 pole shift take um well you know in
00:02:43 terms of when they first start moving it
00:02:46 can you know be a process of a 100 200
00:02:49 years but once they really start going
00:02:51 you’re talking about a couple of decades
00:02:53 and it really started going in it’s hard
00:02:55 to tell exactly but somewhere between
00:02:57 the 1990s and the first decade of this
00:02:59 Millennium and So based on the math it’s
00:03:04 looking like either late 2030s or
00:03:07 2040s presuming any of us are still here
00:03:09 after the stupidity that the people in
00:03:11 charge of this planet seem to be pulling
00:03:13 on us uh it’s going to get very very
00:03:15 rough pull the mic up and keep it close
00:03:17 sure uh so let’s let’s we’ll start from
00:03:19 the beginning uh the the the obvious
00:03:21 doorway into all of this because they
00:03:24 don’t shut up about it is climate change
00:03:25 correct there’s you actually have gret
00:03:28 tunberg has ad ated for shutting down
00:03:31 all fossil fuels not in 2030 but now uh
00:03:35 of course that would mean we all die yes
00:03:37 uh okay you know to be honest I think
00:03:39 I’d be okay I would not be comfortable
00:03:42 but I wouldn’t die and I’m not going to
00:03:44 sit here and pretend that I’m survivor
00:03:45 man who’s going to be able to build a
00:03:46 mud hut and you know create a furnace
00:03:48 and learn any of that stuff but uh I’ll
00:03:50 live and uh rather uncomfortably but
00:03:52 mostly because I have chickens now uh
00:03:55 kidding aside the average person living
00:03:56 in a city if fossil fuels were cut off
00:03:58 today you were going to starve they’re
00:04:01 going to die of dehydration they’re
00:04:02 going to start murdering each other
00:04:04 eating each other it it people don’t
00:04:07 understand that we have built this world
00:04:10 off of the explosion of energy from
00:04:12 fossil fuels and if you look at a city
00:04:14 like New York it’s so difficult to bring
00:04:17 food into a place like this because of
00:04:18 how dense it is with people that if we
00:04:21 were to cut off fuels people will freeze
00:04:22 to death the the obvious one we often
00:04:24 bring up diabetics will die because you
00:04:26 have to refrigerate insulin people will
00:04:28 uh die of the heat in the summer you
00:04:31 will see I think the estimate is around
00:04:33 60 million people die within 3 to seven
00:04:35 days if you were to cut off fossil fuels
00:04:37 instantly around the world right so a
00:04:39 lot of people rely on this energy for
00:04:41 transporting food for uh uh I mean we
00:04:43 need electricity to run our our our
00:04:45 water pumps in cities and things like
00:04:47 this but that’s what they want to do
00:04:48 they say because of climate change we
00:04:50 got to shut down all fossil fuels what
00:04:52 is your view on climate change and
00:04:55 what’s causing
00:04:56 it I would have to say the number one
00:04:58 thing that is causing what’s happening
00:05:00 right now is the fact that Earth’s
00:05:01 magnetic field is changing we have a
00:05:03 magnetic shield around our entire planet
00:05:06 that protects us from dangerous energy
00:05:08 from the Sun from Supernova from cosmic
00:05:10 rays and it has been weakening more and
00:05:13 more and more we’re probably 20 to 25%
00:05:15 down in the magnetic field strength that
00:05:17 this planet had enjoyed and endured for
00:05:20 several thousand years and basically
00:05:24 what that means is more energy from
00:05:26 space is coming into the Earth and
00:05:29 there’s simply no getting around that
00:05:31 and what’s interesting is you know those
00:05:32 mainstream folks who talk about climate
00:05:35 change they will throw all kinds of
00:05:36 papers at you here there I made a
00:05:38 challenge to several professors several
00:05:40 people at Nasa and to the internet as a
00:05:42 whole a couple of years ago find me the
00:05:44 scientific study that blames humans for
00:05:48 modern climate change but also takes
00:05:50 into account things like solar flares
00:05:53 things like geomagnetic storms you know
00:05:56 the Aurora you’ve got a beautiful
00:05:57 picture of them over there or weakening
00:05:59 of Earth’s magnetic field and nobody can
00:06:01 do it nobody’s done it and I I made the
00:06:04 the challenge kind of inappropriately
00:06:07 because I knew nobody was going to be
00:06:09 able to do it because such a study has
00:06:10 never been done they don’t fund those
00:06:12 kind of things you can’t get a grant to
00:06:14 study Earth’s magnetic field and how
00:06:16 it’s weakening and the effect this has
00:06:17 on the climate so I pulled up this year
00:06:19 uh diagram of how the Aurora Borealis in
00:06:22 Australia was it Australis what is it
00:06:24 Aurora Australis how they how they work
00:06:26 I actually was just in
00:06:28 Fairbanks and we’re really excited
00:06:30 because Fairbanks is basically the
00:06:32 direct path of the Aurora it’s like
00:06:34 right in the middle and so uh at we were
00:06:37 hoping we’re going to see it we are
00:06:38 walking out of the airport it’s minus 28
00:06:41 and as we’re trying to open the car
00:06:43 which is frozen I’m like oh hey look
00:06:44 there’s a ro B house right above us it
00:06:46 was massive very bright it was super
00:06:49 cool to see but this is basically how it
00:06:50 works we have a magnetic Shield you have
00:06:52 the auroral oval right there that’s
00:06:54 where uh it all comes in can we pull
00:06:56 that up and basically as solar wind is
00:06:58 blasting the Planet all of this these
00:07:01 particles radiation Etc being deflected
00:07:02 by the mag magnetic Shield but certain
00:07:04 ports can’t Parts can penetrate through
00:07:06 hitting the poles and then you end up
00:07:08 with the auroras correct so what will
00:07:11 happen if the magnetic Shield of this
00:07:13 planet is gone is that is that a that’s
00:07:16 not possible Right it it doesn’t
00:07:17 disappear entirely but it goes down to
00:07:19 such a weak level that even around an
00:07:23 area that is normally well protected
00:07:25 like the tropics you still have an
00:07:27 enormous amount of soul and Cosmic
00:07:30 radiation that is penetrating and some
00:07:33 of that energy gets absorbed in the
00:07:34 atmosphere some of it penetrates the
00:07:36 crust and goes down into the mantle
00:07:38 where it excites silica Rich magma um
00:07:41 there’s evidence of major volcanic
00:07:43 upticks during every one of these
00:07:45 geomagnetic pole shifts uh and things
00:07:47 like that and as well as the the climate
00:07:49 changes and some of the best papers and
00:07:52 best geophysicists in the world are
00:07:54 really starting to tie major Extinction
00:07:56 events to these geomagnetic pole shifts
00:07:59 a lot of the reason is because this
00:08:01 energy takes out the ozone this energy
00:08:05 really changes the jet streams it screws
00:08:07 with the monsoon it creates extreme
00:08:10 temperature shifts extreme tropical
00:08:12 storms not to mention the fact that it’s
00:08:14 extra radiation bombarding us and
00:08:16 whether you’re you’re a mouse or a human
00:08:19 that matters yeah and one thing that
00:08:21 people need to understand is that this
00:08:22 is mainstream science there have been
00:08:24 several hundred known geomagnetic pole
00:08:26 shifts in the last few million years
00:08:28 that we’re aware of it’s measurable and
00:08:30 it’s accelerating for example in the
00:08:31 1980s the North Pole was shifting at
00:08:33 something like 7 m per year uh just up
00:08:36 to 10 years ago it was 30 mil and now
00:08:38 it’s at like 38 miles a year correct me
00:08:40 if these numbers are off but it is
00:08:41 accelerating and that’s what the data
00:08:43 shows is that it starts slowly the
00:08:45 mainstream science will say it’s over
00:08:46 you know SE several you know tens of
00:08:48 thousands of years is is is the process
00:08:50 but when it finally does do its actual
00:08:52 flip it’s quite quick um and what’s
00:08:54 interesting is that when we’re talking
00:08:56 about cycles of extinction level events
00:08:59 there’s I could show you a mainstream
00:09:00 scientific paper that’s published by the
00:09:02 Journal of Science and it’s even
00:09:04 republished on get this the nih.gov
00:09:07 website that talks about the Excursion
00:09:10 of 41,000 years ago tying into a mass
00:09:13 extinction level event so if you I I
00:09:16 just Googled this uh howstuffworks.com
00:09:18 Earth’s magnetic north pole has rapidly
00:09:20 shifted in the past 40 years I mean this
00:09:22 is actually I would call it um commonly
00:09:25 accepted that the shifts the poll the
00:09:27 polls shift and all that do you think
00:09:29 that uh so so what I’ve been told in the
00:09:31 past is once the poles start to move
00:09:34 it’s just a flip is that true like it it
00:09:37 will hit that Tipping Point but it does
00:09:40 sort of tip slowly and then accelerate
00:09:42 accelerate and then a snap whether that
00:09:44 snap you know exactly when that’s going
00:09:46 to be that is a difficult thing to Peg
00:09:48 down um all we can do is know that these
00:09:51 things happen on a fairly regular cycle
00:09:54 um every 12,000 years there’s a major
00:09:57 one of these that they like to call
00:09:59 geomagnetic Excursion and then on the
00:10:01 half cycles of that every 6,000 years
00:10:04 there’s a mini Excursion the last mini
00:10:06 Excursion was 6,000 years ago the last
00:10:08 major one was called the gothenberg
00:10:09 event 12,000 years ago the one 24,000
00:10:12 years ago was called Lake Mon 00:10:14 Lake before that lamp before that Vos 00:10:17 talk before that Toba before that and so 00:10:19 we are not only directly on time for the 00:10:23 next one to be occurring whether you 00:10:25 look at the last minicycle which was 00:10:26 6,000 years ago or the last full cycle 00:10:28 12 12,000 years 00:10:30 ago not only are we right on time but 00:10:33 the magnetic poles are shifting and the 00:10:35 magnetic field is weakening exactly as 00:10:37 one would expect during this time so 00:10:40 does this mean we are facing an 00:10:42 extinction level event and if so what 00:10:44 product can I sell to get rich off of it 00:10:46 uh I don’t know about the the second one 00:10:48 but um you know I one of the things I do 00:10:51 is I put together all the scientific 00:10:52 articles on exactly how dangerous these 00:10:54 things are there have been a couple good 00:10:56 ones in the last couple of years but the 00:10:57 one that is controlling by far uh it’s 00:11:00 by two geophysicists named Channel and 00:11:03 vigot and it was published in reviews of 00:11:05 geophysics which is widely accepted to 00:11:07 be the number one geophysics journal in 00:11:09 the world and it basically tracked not 00:11:12 only how well major extinctions are tied 00:11:15 to these geomagnetic excursions but they 00:11:18 show where on the earth is getting hit 00:11:21 the hardest but what what does that mean 00:11:24 for a regular person right now if if if 00:11:27 we get a mini Excursion or or whatever 00:11:29 it basically means that what anybody has 00:11:33 perceived as climate change is chump 00:11:35 change compared to what’s going to 00:11:36 happen the like Day After Tomorrow level 00:11:38 you’re going to freeze to death day 00:11:40 after tomorrow type stuff um and believe 00:11:43 it or not there is a very good chance 00:11:45 that the Earth is going to do a 90° tilt 00:11:48 there’s wait wait so so that means 00:11:51 like Antarctica could melt no look 00:11:56 there’s still glaciers in the tropics 00:11:58 today in Africa in Indonesia really if 00:12:01 you Google tropical glaciers you’re 00:12:03 going to find a bunch of them this blew 00:12:04 my mind this morning when we’re talking 00:12:05 about this over breakfast so um wow the 00:12:09 uh no joke and so what you have to 00:12:11 realize the last 12,000 years has been 00:12:14 very warm it’s been what’s called an 00:12:15 interglacial cycle as opposed to a 00:12:17 glacial cycle so it’s been warmer the 00:12:19 last 12,000 years look at this if after 00:12:22 12,000 years of a warm interglacial 00:12:24 cycle we still have glaciers in the 00:12:25 tropics back previous cycles and in a 00:12:28 glacial cycle you could throw Antarctica 00:12:30 to the equator and leave it there for 00:12:31 12,000 years it’s not going to melt away 00:12:33 wow so listen to this there’s got to be 00:12:34 a little bit of melting I mean a little 00:12:35 bit of course yes but also I mean have 00:12:38 you ever seen an iceberg calving or 00:12:41 something like that and how much fog and 00:12:43 and stuff comes out Antarctica would be 00:12:45 shrouded in fog which would I don’t know 00:12:47 if you guys know the concept of of albo 00:12:49 how clouds ice things like that they 00:12:51 bounce sunlight off and actually don’t 00:12:53 let it come in and penetrate yeah 00:12:56 there’ll be a little bit of melting but 00:12:57 it’ll also be shrouded and fog which 00:12:59 will protect it for hor actually this is 00:13:01 really interesting the other day uh we 00:13:03 got snow earlier this week and the next 00:13:06 day there are dark patches all over the 00:13:08 snow where tfts of grass were it’s 00:13:12 actually fairly obvious what 00:13:14 happened snow reflects reflects light 00:13:17 doesn’t absorb the heat the grass that 00:13:20 was breaching the tip was absorbing some 00:13:23 and creating small Pockets just warm 00:13:24 enough to melt the snow and so it 00:13:27 created these little melted spots all 00:13:29 over the place I’m assuming that’s what 00:13:30 it is that makes the most sense that 00:13:31 makes sense and uh uh I what I think 00:13:34 this could be what you’re referring to 00:13:35 I’m not a scientist or anything like 00:13:36 this but I was reading about how in an 00:13:39 ice age all of the ice and snow reflects 00:13:41 the heat back off the planet so it 00:13:43 actually slows the process of warming 00:13:45 yes definitely something that’s wild 00:13:47 that people need to understand is that 00:13:48 we are in the middle of an ice age right 00:13:50 now it’s been ongoing for three million 00:13:52 years and as Ben was just saying that 00:13:54 we’ve been warming for the last 12,000 00:13:55 years and the data shows and I’m citing 00:13:57 mainstream sources um Utah Geological 00:14:00 Survey is one of the most prestigious it 00:14:01 shows up at the top of Google so like 00:14:03 when I say mainstream accepted science 00:14:05 that it shows that the Earth is cold 00:14:08 more often than it’s hot this is part of 00:14:09 its natural cycle and that the cycles of 00:14:12 cooling last 7 to N9 times longer than 00:14:16 the warming in other words the periods 00:14:18 of warming that we’re in right now are 00:14:20 said to last just several thousand years 00:14:22 and yet we’re 12,000 years into it and 00:14:24 the cycles of warming can last up to 00:14:26 100,000 or excuse me of cooling can last 00:14:28 up to 70 to 90,000 years this has been 00:14:31 ongoing so we’ve had let me just give 00:14:33 you uh some more mainstream data in just 00:14:35 the last 450,000 years we’ve had five 00:14:39 interglacial periods again interglacial 00:14:41 periods are periods of warming and again 00:14:44 just to reiterate this the periods of 00:14:46 cooling last seven to nine times longer 00:14:48 in other words that if you look at the 00:14:50 graphs on on this data that they have 00:14:51 and again this is from Ice uh cores that 00:14:53 they’ve taken from Antarctica as well as 00:14:55 Greenland uh it shows that if anything 00:14:57 we’re due for cooling so when I’m 00:14:59 looking at these cycles of geomagnetic 00:15:01 pole shifts um and actually let me just 00:15:03 quickly say while I’m on a tangent you 00:15:05 know that we’re over the Target that 00:15:06 this is true when when Publications or 00:15:08 not even a publication a media Outlet 00:15:10 called Media Matters which was 00:15:11 originally funded by George Soros came 00:15:13 came after me hard they did a hitpiece 00:15:15 on me I discussed this wait what did you 00:15:17 know about this Media Matters did a 00:15:18 hitpiece on you yeah so are you like 00:15:20 voting for Trump or something so last 00:15:23 January I was on The Joe Rogan podcast 00:15:25 and I discussed What’s called the Adam 00:15:26 and Eve story talking about uh 00:15:28 catastrophe Cycles involving the Earth 00:15:30 magnetic pole shifts involving this Adam 00:15:32 and Eve story and they did a hit piece 00:15:34 on me saying that I was contradicting 00:15:36 mainstream science on climate change 00:15:38 because they quoted me saying that oh 00:15:40 you incorrectly said that the Earth is I 00:15:42 think that that the data shows that the 00:15:43 Earth is cold more often than it’s hot 00:15:44 that contradicts mainstream scientific 00:15:46 data I sent them I responded to them and 00:15:48 said uh excuse me actually look at the 00:15:50 data right here it shows that what I’m 00:15:51 talking about here has to do with the 00:15:54 cycles of of cooling and has to do with 00:15:56 like the Earth’s procession and and 00:15:57 other things involving poles 00:15:59 um and they came after me hard I’m like 00:16:00 that right there if George soros’s uh 00:16:03 soldiers are coming after me it I’m over 00:16:06 the target did they say you were saying 00:16:07 something wrong yes uh I said that 00:16:10 besides that they said the data does not 00:16:11 show that it’s cold more often than it’s 00:16:13 hot guys anyone can look at the Utah 00:16:14 Geological Survey as well as others um 00:16:17 you know NASA has publ published this 00:16:18 again this was published on NIH website 00:16:21 um and it shows that no literally the 00:16:23 interglacial periods are which is what 00:16:25 we’re in right now periods of warming um 00:16:27 shows that you know that the Earth is 00:16:29 naturally cold significantly more often 00:16:31 than it’s hot and he also said that uh 00:16:34 one that’s it right there that yes thank 00:16:36 you that’s the Utah data right there yep 00:16:38 five interglacial they’ll say four but 00:16:39 that looks like five to me interglacial 00:16:41 periods over the last 500 th 450,000 00:16:43 years and again just to reiterate this 00:16:45 so everyone understands what I’m saying 00:16:46 here those Cycles where it says 00:16:48 interglacial is what we’re in right now 00:16:49 it’s warming it’s interglacial means the 00:16:51 period where the Glaciers are receding 00:16:53 and there’s far fewer of them this is 00:16:54 this is from uh uh I I pull this from 00:16:56 the Utah Geological Survey yep shows up 00:16:58 at to UT utah.gov this is the government 00:17:01 website and you can plainly see that The 00:17:03 warm periods are Peaks and the glacial 00:17:06 periods are valleys which are longer and 00:17:08 they The warm periods come on Fast what 00:17:11 causes that is that a is that a solar 00:17:13 Shane Cashman ladies gentlemen good I 00:17:15 just uh I’m out there collecting samples 00:17:17 of the fake snow from this fake 00:17:19 blizzard I had a bon to pick with him I 00:17:21 heard he said it was a regular snowstorm 00:17:23 I don’t know it seems a little weird but 00:17:25 uh be here Brave my life for this we’re 00:17:27 in an interglacial period so things 00:17:29 should be warming yeah I had some 00:17:30 questions actually because of uh you’re 00:17:32 talking about the magnetic pole shifting 00:17:34 and um I’m going to get some coffee 00:17:35 there’s one thing I want to say real 00:17:36 quick because I think this very much 00:17:38 matters I was totally ignorant to this 00:17:40 here is an an image from the 00:17:41 guardian.com excuse me of tropical 00:17:45 glaciers y That’s like it is a glacier 00:17:48 in a warm place a large a photograph of 00:17:51 a large chunk of ice in a tropical area 00:17:54 important to know I I had a conversation 00:17:56 a long time ago there was a teacher and 00:18:00 we were talking about I can’t remember 00:18:01 what we were talking about oh it was 00:18:02 politics and this is this is 15 20 years 00:18:05 ago and I said they’re like oh George W 00:18:08 bush is all bad and all that stuff and I 00:18:09 was like I totally agree war and I was 00:18:11 like I can give him credit though for uh 00:18:13 preserving a lot of the Alaskan 00:18:14 rainforest I think I I I haven’t tracked 00:18:16 this stuff in a long time but I said 00:18:17 something like at the very least 00:18:20 creating uh uh national parks around the 00:18:22 Alaskan rainforest I think is a good 00:18:23 thing and she goes you mean Amazon 00:18:25 rainforest and I was like no no the 00:18:27 Alaskan rainforest it’s territory she 00:18:29 goes there’s no rainforce in Alaska and 00:18:31 I was like yes there is what are you 00:18:33 talking about and we were in Seattle I 00:18:35 was like where do where do you think you 00:18:36 live like this is a rainforest because 00:18:38 the average person here’s rainforest 00:18:40 they think jungle they don’t realize it 00:18:42 just means lots of rain in a forest and 00:18:45 so uh when when I heard you know you 00:18:48 mention tropical Glacier I was like it 00:18:50 sounds paradoxical right it’s real it’s 00:18:54 there so yeah uh Shane catch getting up 00:18:57 to speed you may have the last few 00:18:58 minutes but I was right where I was uh 00:19:01 driving up the hill I uh was hearing you 00:19:03 guys talk about the magnetic pole 00:19:04 shifting magnetic Shield reminded me of 00:19:06 a story I wrote a few years ago for Tim 00:19:09 cast about uh birds falling out of the 00:19:11 sky yeah uh and I was curious if 00:19:13 cryptochromes and the bird’s eyes like 00:19:15 migratory bird that has anything to do 00:19:16 with the pole sh you’re exactly on point 00:19:18 you’re exactly on point so what do you 00:19:19 think is going on there um so whether 00:19:21 you’re looking at strange things 00:19:22 happening with Birds um strength things 00:19:25 happening with whales sharks sea turtles 00:19:28 uh there’s even reports of uh deer going 00:19:31 off course where you’re looking at the 00:19:32 elephants in China who just went you 00:19:36 remember that little Excursion the 00:19:37 elephants went on I haven’t heard this 00:19:39 actually no no what is this in China uh 00:19:42 a couple years ago a bunch of elephants 00:19:44 broke out of where they were supposed to 00:19:46 be and then just started walking dude um 00:19:49 I saw moose do this in in uh Beacon New 00:19:51 York once and they were like yeah moose 00:19:53 are just walking in One Direction and we 00:19:55 don’t know what’s going on so people 00:19:57 need to understand that a lot of of 00:19:58 animals on Earth all the animals you 00:20:00 just mentioned salmon various insects 00:20:03 they are they look humpback Wheels can 00:20:05 travel 10,000 years and returned to 00:20:06 virtually the same location year round 00:20:08 salmon returned to almost the same spot 00:20:11 to spawn where from where they had 00:20:12 spawned themselves and it’s believed 00:20:14 that it’s related to their you know 00:20:16 geomagnetic Compass so if the Earth 00:20:18 Shields if the if the magnetic poles are 00:20:20 changing then it’s going to influence 00:20:21 life on Earth and if you really want to 00:20:23 get into a wild uh deep uh Rabbit Hole 00:20:26 yes is it just me or is Humanity Lo 00:20:28 their minds and I’m starting to wonder 00:20:29 if us if we are being affected by the 00:20:33 geomagnetic PSE cuz what you know you 00:20:34 get all these last time I was on here I 00:20:36 was reading various Bible scriptures 00:20:37 that were talking about the end times 00:20:38 and how people are going to be losing 00:20:39 their minds it just I’m starting to get 00:20:42 a vibe that that’s happening I liter 00:20:43 wrote that that’s so funny you guys have 00:20:46 you ever seen have you seen the research 00:20:48 where they put a massive magnet on 00:20:50 someone’s head and it makes them feel 00:20:51 the presence of God yeah I’ve heard 00:20:53 about it haven’t seen the vide we need 00:20:55 to do that so not only not only is that 00:20:57 legitimate but when they so since we’re 00:21:00 talking about losing the magnetic field 00:21:02 it’s sort of the opposite of putting a 00:21:04 magnet on your head they’ve done these 00:21:06 studies for the purpose of seeing what 00:21:08 was going to happen to astronauts 00:21:11 basically they put them in low magnetic 00:21:14 field areas they bombard them with 00:21:16 slightly higher levels of proton 00:21:18 radiation two interesting things happen 00:21:22 first thing that happens is the 00:21:23 hippocampus starts to get degraded and 00:21:26 their cognition goes down which is a 00:21:28 fancy way of say getting Dumber right 00:21:30 then the Locust cilus gets activated 00:21:33 which increases your vulnerability to 00:21:36 panic Terror anxiety and so basically 00:21:39 increased emotional 00:21:41 instability fear-based reactions and 00:21:44 getting Dumber is exactly what you’d 00:21:47 expect and that is that not the world 00:21:48 today right now toally take a look at 00:21:50 this headline from the Independent 00:21:52 disabling parts of the brain with 00:21:53 magnets can weaken faith in God and 00:21:55 change attitudes to immigrants study 00:21:58 finds oh that’s interesting yeah so when 00:22:00 you bring this up I’m like wait a minute 00:22:02 not to be a Bible thumer I did this last 00:22:03 time but since there’ll be a bunch of 00:22:05 new people listening so I just this will 00:22:06 only take a second to read off so this 00:22:08 is and I’m not a bible thumper but I 00:22:09 find it very interesting am I am when 00:22:12 when people wrote things because a lot 00:22:13 of people listening won’t be and I’m a 00:22:14 Believer and um but when people wrote 00:22:16 things down thousands of years ago and 00:22:17 went to a great extent to preserve it 00:22:19 I’m curious about what they are talking 00:22:20 about so here’s Isaiah 520 20 it says 00:22:23 what sorrow for those who say that evil 00:22:25 is good and good is evil that dark is 00:22:26 light and light is dark and bitter is 00:22:28 sweet and Sweet is bitter is that not 00:22:30 the backwards upside down world that 00:22:31 we’re living in like nothing makes sense 00:22:32 like you know crime is being celebrated 00:22:35 and and Injustice the Bible is a 00:22:36 structure to chaos you like it or not 00:22:38 Ian was just right about everything with 00:22:40 the vibrations of the universe and 00:22:42 something to it I mean also talking 00:22:43 about the polls it reminds me of a story 00:22:45 I heard from a friend she’s a very 00:22:46 successful lady in her 70s goes to like 00:22:48 some really crazy uh expensive doctor up 00:22:52 in New York City and he’s been telling 00:22:53 her for years that he believes the polls 00:22:55 are shifting and that it’s affecting 00:22:56 pilots and that because because of of 00:22:58 that they’re getting more radiation and 00:23:00 that they’re getting like crazier and 00:23:02 cancer at a higher level and you know 00:23:04 she she she so she I totally believe it 00:23:07 you know cuz like she hears it all the 00:23:08 time from this guy she’s been going him 00:23:09 for about I want to say a decade now 00:23:11 what’s so wild about that is that if you 00:23:12 look at they are updating and have been 00:23:14 for 10 years now uh Runway numbers all 00:23:17 across the world which are of course 00:23:18 align to the compass like if you were 00:23:20 land on Runway 36 R it’s you know 36 00:23:23 dead North so they’ve been updating them 00:23:25 around the world for the last decade you 00:23:27 can find new numerous articles about 00:23:29 that so it’s actively changing it’s 00:23:30 measurable so it’s changing everything 00:23:32 like so with the birds I was talking 00:23:33 about at the beginning when I got here 00:23:35 they were just hundreds were falling out 00:23:36 of the sky it was like M migratory birds 00:23:39 and no one knew why this is right before 00:23:40 Co oh look at this look crazy I had no 00:23:44 this is from the national centers for 00:23:45 environmental information this is 00:23:47 noaa.gov Airport runway names shift with 00:23:50 magnetic field that’s crazy and so 00:23:53 here’s the thing because there are so 00:23:55 many 00:23:56 Pilots they can’t just hide something 00:23:59 like this but they don’t have to put it 00:24:00 on CNN you know because there are so 00:24:04 many scientists who work with radiation 00:24:06 y they can’t hide studies about what to 00:24:10 expect when the magnetic field goes down 00:24:12 they just don’t have to put it on CNN 00:24:14 you can find all of this information 00:24:18 don’t turn those on yeah this is how I 00:24:19 feel about we’ll find a time if we do I 00:24:21 think Society just like large strange 00:24:25 object I thought you brought it a bomb 00:24:27 it looked like a bomb when I first saw 00:24:28 it what we are we going to plug in Co 00:24:31 are we plugging in I could let me get a 00:24:33 hit on that let me get a hit something 00:24:35 you’ve got to acquas too I don’t want 00:24:37 the computer to break so basically what 00:24:38 Happ it won’t affect your mechanics as 00:24:40 far as I can tell I have it set up next 00:24:41 to my machine for hours at a time and 00:24:43 it’s everything is fine but like uh what 00:24:45 happens is these this is based on Royal 00:24:47 Rice’s technology scientist of the 1920s 00:24:49 it would heal people with frequency 00:24:51 reportedly and you turn these things on 00:24:53 you plug them into a transistor and then 00:24:54 through your phone and you run different 00:24:55 frequencies through it and this is 00:24:57 electromag 00:24:58 magnetism I it produces magnetic fields 00:25:01 yeah but it’s just vibrating copper 00:25:02 basically but I I wonder because we’re 00:25:04 talking about the pole shifts how this 00:25:06 may be breaking people’s brains how 00:25:09 scientists have actually disabled 00:25:11 people’s faith in God with magnets 00:25:14 that’s what you were talking that’s what 00:25:15 made me think to go get these and I’m 00:25:16 wondering if perhaps the reason you’ve 00:25:18 got people saying this stuff can heal 00:25:19 you is that it restores the magnetic 00:25:21 balance or something like this like I’m 00:25:23 I’m not going to sit here and pretend 00:25:25 right now there’s a scientist putting 00:25:26 his face you know his hand in his face 00:25:28 like these guys are so dumb but uh if 00:25:31 we’re talking about this magnetic pole 00:25:32 shift if we’re talking about the strange 00:25:35 things happening around the world to 00:25:37 human psyche civilization 00:25:39 politics and perhaps because the data 00:25:42 shows there’s a correlation between 00:25:43 magnetism and people’s faith and 00:25:45 Prejudice and things like this I’m 00:25:46 wondering if there’s a reason why people 00:25:48 believe a device like this might have an 00:25:50 impact you want you want to hear another 00:25:51 one I read this last time I was on but I 00:25:53 if I may because I think that this 00:25:55 applies with what you just said so this 00:25:56 right here 2 Timothy 3 which is quot the 00:26:00 title or the chapter is evil in the last 00:26:02 days but understand this in the last 00:26:04 days terrible times will come for men 00:26:06 will be lovers of themselves lovers of 00:26:08 money boastful arrogant abusive 00:26:10 disobedient to their parents ungrateful 00:26:12 Unholy unloving unforgiving slanderous 00:26:15 without self-control brutal without the 00:26:17 love of good traitorous Reckless 00:26:19 conceited lovers of pleasure rather than 00:26:22 lovers of God having a form of godliness 00:26:24 but denying its power turn away from 00:26:26 such as these I’m like is this not the 00:26:28 world we’re living in it is it’s like 00:26:29 it’s like reading that or hearing it is 00:26:31 like it reminds me that human nature is 00:26:33 cyclical as well as like the apocalyptic 00:26:35 nature you guys are talking about right 00:26:36 like we go through these large cycles 00:26:38 and when they were writing that they I 00:26:40 think gathered a lot of experience of of 00:26:42 human nature but it also sounds like 00:26:43 that’s what kids are like like it’s like 00:26:45 people will be at their parents
00:26:47 kids are going to scream but that’s like
00:26:49 to a violent degree is it Amplified
00:26:51 because of it like we’ve always been
00:26:53 like this is human nature no doubt it’s
00:26:54 a human you know condition but it’s like
00:26:56 are things becoming magnified in are
00:26:57 some people more vulnerable to it than
00:26:59 others do you guys think that it’s like
00:27:00 um like it’s like Destiny like we built
00:27:03 this this electromagnetic technology
00:27:05 that’s got to be interfering with our
00:27:07 Consciousness in some way all those
00:27:08 these machines and electricity did we
00:27:10 just happen to invent electricity at
00:27:12 this part of the cycle on purpose I
00:27:16 before you guys answer I would just say
00:27:17 based on what you’re describing with
00:27:19 magnetic pole shift climate change
00:27:22 glacial Cycles Etc it seems like you’re
00:27:24 talking about a drop of water in the
00:27:26 ocean yeah maybe but the way electricity
00:27:28 works too like one spark can cause an
00:27:30 entire chain of react chain of command
00:27:33 like it can yeah but starting a fire is
00:27:36 different from having like a
00:27:38 flamethrower pointed at someone right so
00:27:40 we have all of these uh electronic
00:27:44 devices emitting these you know emfs and
00:27:46 things like that but then you look at
00:27:47 the Earth’s magnetic field and it is
00:27:49 just you’re talking about a drop of
00:27:51 water in the ocean you know yeah I mean
00:27:54 it’s one thing you know if you’ve got
00:27:56 your cell phone up to to your head all
00:27:58 day long and and doing stuff like that
00:28:01 okay it it absolutely could have an
00:28:03 effect um I don’t know if it’s going to
00:28:05 be the anywhere near the effect that
00:28:07 losing the magnetic field and having the
00:28:09 extra Cosmic radiation coming through
00:28:10 the atmosphere is going to have um
00:28:13 that’s my question what is causing the
00:28:15 magnetic field to to warp right now well
00:28:17 so that’s uh that’s a little bit of a
00:28:21 subject of of discussion you’ve got a
00:28:23 lot of geophysicists working at you know
00:28:26 very prestigious universi who like to
00:28:28 think that it’s something happening at
00:28:29 Earth’s core uh there’s a lot of
00:28:31 evidence that the Sun and even the
00:28:33 galactic magnetic field have something
00:28:35 to do with it now that gets a little
00:28:36 more complex we don’t have to get into
00:28:38 all of that but what we do know is this
00:28:41 happens so regularly on a cycle and that
00:28:46 cycle is up and we’re seeing exactly
00:28:47 what we’d be expecting to see oh uh up
00:28:51 there you’ve got a so this was an
00:28:53 article that NASA posted directly at you
00:28:57 want to believe it or not NASA actually
00:29:00 posted this article directly to me and
00:29:04 it was the start of my second battle
00:29:06 with NASA it says why variations in
00:29:08 Earth’s magnetic field aren’t causing
00:29:10 today’s climate change and it’s got this
00:29:12 cool little graphic of the magnetic
00:29:14 field acting as a force field protecting
00:29:16 Earth so I I went through paragraph by
00:29:19 paragraph and obliterated this in a
00:29:21 video a couple years ago the other thing
00:29:23 to know is that um you know a lot of the
00:29:26 stuff that they’re talking about here
00:29:28 doesn’t actually have anything to do
00:29:29 with with the top of conversation if you
00:29:31 guys if you find anything in this
00:29:32 article that you’re curious about I’ve
00:29:34 still got it all in the Forefront of my
00:29:36 memory I’m happy to go over it again um
00:29:40 why why did they post this like so what
00:29:41 were you saying and what did they
00:29:42 retaliate essentially I was saying that
00:29:45 the sun’s interaction with Earth as it
00:29:47 is being changed and enhanced by Earth
00:29:50 losing the magnetic field is the main
00:29:52 cause of climate change nowadays and so
00:29:54 many people started talking about it
00:29:56 after I posted the video
00:29:58 NASA decided that they were going to try
00:29:59 to respond and uh it didn’t go very well
00:30:03 what are your thoughts on NASA um there
00:30:05 are people at Nasa who have their heads
00:30:08 screwed on straight um there are a lot
00:30:10 of people at Nasa who I talk to
00:30:12 regularly who say it’s so frustrating
00:30:14 that I can’t get my papers published I
00:30:16 can’t get a grant to study certain
00:30:18 things I can’t even go throughout the
00:30:20 rest of the department and talk about
00:30:22 what I think I basically have to be you
00:30:25 go Rogue right and there’s a lot of
00:30:27 professors like that as well
00:30:29 um by and large um you know NASA is full
00:30:34 of a lot of disconnected units who don’t
00:30:36 have the full picture everybody’s just
00:30:38 working on their own little thing sounds
00:30:40 like the government at large um the
00:30:42 people in charge of the of the
00:30:44 Departments the GED space flight center
00:30:47 JPL definitely
00:30:49 earth’s climate team at Nasa they are
00:30:53 very they’re as much politicians as they
00:30:55 are scientists that’s what scar areas
00:30:57 that they could be ideologically
00:30:58 captured as well oh it’s just as easy
00:31:00 financially you know it’s just as easy
00:31:02 to buy a politician as it is or buy a
00:31:04 scientist as it is a politician science
00:31:06 TM I’ve been calling it trademark
00:31:08 science TM you know it’s like we’re
00:31:09 follow the money it’s like you know a
00:31:10 lot of scientists that spend you know
00:31:12 quarter million dollars in an education
00:31:13 and they can’t get a job afterwards so
00:31:15 of course they’re going to go where the
00:31:16 real funding’s at because they’re trying
00:31:17 to live my my guess about what’s
00:31:19 happening with the magnetic field is the
00:31:21 Earth the Sun and our solar system is in
00:31:23 the galactic arm which is going like
00:31:25 this and every time it goes up the
00:31:27 Earth’s magnetic field is swaps down and
00:31:29 and then every time the galactic arm
00:31:31 waves down again the Earth’s poles are
00:31:34 like going that’s very close that’s very
00:31:36 close to what it is very very close um
00:31:39 the galactic magnetic
00:31:40 field uh for it wraps around the whole
00:31:43 galaxy but the part where the North and
00:31:46 the South magnetic fields are separated
00:31:48 are not a straight flat line through the
00:31:51 equator of the Galaxy it ripples outward
00:31:54 like a ballerina skirt and so it
00:31:56 literally looks looks like a wave coming
00:31:58 like this and it it’s moving throughout
00:32:01 the Galaxy as well and as this wave
00:32:04 Crest passes by our solar system our
00:32:06 entire solar system goes from the north
00:32:08 to the South to the north to the South
00:32:10 magnetic fields it’s basically a
00:32:12 galactic magnetic reversal they have
00:32:14 spotted this electric current sheet
00:32:17 separating the North and South they have
00:32:19 detailed it very well in fact in the
00:32:21 Milky Way they know that who they though
00:32:23 uh I mean mainstream astronomers and so
00:32:26 what is actually mainstream science is
00:32:28 we know that the this wave is tens of
00:32:31 light years thick it is anywhere from 60
00:32:34 to 170 parex tall which is you know
00:32:37 parsec is you know a little more than
00:32:38 two light years and they’ve also started
00:32:42 discovering these same forms at stars
00:32:46 they know about the sun’s version of it
00:32:48 they’ve discovered it in other galaxies
00:32:50 as well um and so this is also
00:32:53 mainstream science but only amongst
00:32:56 galactic astrophysics you try to bring
00:32:58 that same science into okay well what’s
00:33:00 this doing to the sun what’s this doing
00:33:02 to the Earth and they don’t want to hear
00:33:05 it but at the same time it’s it’s so
00:33:09 blatantly obvious that okay according to
00:33:12 Galactic astrophysics you’ve got a
00:33:15 galactic magnetic reversal that should
00:33:16 be repeatedly over and over and over
00:33:19 again hitting our entire solar system
00:33:21 and when you look it’s not just the
00:33:22 Earth that’s changing right now the
00:33:24 sun’s magnetic fields are changing Venus
00:33:27 is changing Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus
00:33:29 Neptune even Pluto they’re all changing
00:33:31 even more than the earth is Earth’s
00:33:33 lucky enough to have one of the
00:33:35 strongest magnetic fields in the solar
00:33:37 system especially relative to its size
00:33:39 technically Jupiter’s is stronger but if
00:33:41 you were to shrink Jupiter down to the
00:33:43 size of Earth and Shrink its magnetic
00:33:44 field you know along with it Earth’s
00:33:47 would be stronger Earth is an incredibly
00:33:49 powerful magnetic field which is why
00:33:51 it’s actually the least changing sphere
00:33:53 in our entire solar system right now and
00:33:55 in addition to that you’d say say okay
00:33:57 well what else would you expect to see
00:33:59 if we’re going through a galactic
00:34:00 magnetic reversal okay well this
00:34:02 electric field what’s it going to do in
00:34:03 space it’s going to act like an electric
00:34:05 Swiffer Duster there’s a lot of dust
00:34:07 gases other things like that over the
00:34:09 last 10 years I could show you the
00:34:11 papers there’s tons of extra dust that
00:34:13 they’re noticing in the solar system
00:34:15 near the top of the sun’s atmosphere
00:34:17 Earth’s atmosphere has about 55% more
00:34:20 dust in its upper layers than it did
00:34:23 about a century ago they’re noticing
00:34:25 more ions more neutral gases the Voyager
00:34:28 probes out past Pluto they’re detecting
00:34:31 magnetic pressure fronts and magnetic
00:34:33 shock waves and other things of that
00:34:35 nature Pluto lost a fifth of its
00:34:38 atmosphere in one year on Neptune the
00:34:40 superstorms have reversed direction I
00:34:43 mean imagine if all of a sudden
00:34:44 Hurricanes started forming off the coast
00:34:46 of Florida and then just shot Eastward
00:34:48 across the Atlantic towards Africa we
00:34:50 would say that’s not how Earth Works
00:34:52 that can’t happen okay same thing with
00:34:54 Neptune except it just did happen
00:34:56 there’s records storms on Uranus record
00:34:58 Aurora on Uranus on Saturn there’s a
00:35:01 superstorm that comes around every 30
00:35:04 years it just appears every 30 years and
00:35:06 astronomers realize wait a minut okay so
00:35:07 Saturn doesn’t have a perfectly circular
00:35:09 orbit there’s this one point in Saturn’s
00:35:11 30-year orbit where it’s slightly closer
00:35:14 to the Sun that’s the exact moment where
00:35:18 for decades and decades they’ve been
00:35:19 noticing when it’s at its closest point
00:35:21 to the sun enough energy gets into the
00:35:23 saturnian atmosphere to form the
00:35:25 superstorm it just formed a decade early
00:35:27 how does that happen it’s losing its
00:35:29 magnetic field more of that solar energy
00:35:31 is coming in it tricked the planet into
00:35:33 thinking it was at its closest point to
00:35:35 the Sun so you you were mentioning
00:35:36 before uh I asked about day after
00:35:38 tomorrow yeah I think everybody’s seen
00:35:40 that movie right yeah in that movie
00:35:42 there’s a a super storm that pulls in
00:35:45 what do they say it pulls in cold air
00:35:47 from super cold Atmos super troposphere
00:35:49 what from from the troposphere and the
00:35:51 low Stratosphere it drops the
00:35:52 temperatures to like minus 400 or
00:35:54 something and then everything instantly
00:35:56 freezes
00:35:57 that won’t happen will it probably not
00:35:59 but at the same time probably that
00:36:01 wasn’t very confident no I mean the kind
00:36:04 of superstorms are they’re going to be
00:36:05 bad but what we do know is this does
00:36:07 happen every 6,000 years and then on a
00:36:10 greater level every 12,000 years and and
00:36:13 at no point has it ever killed the whole
00:36:14 planet I think that this might be a good
00:36:16 segue into differentiating the
00:36:17 difference between geomagnetic pole
00:36:19 shifts and actual flip so to anyone
00:36:21 listening a geomagnetic pull shift means
00:36:23 that our compasses will flip like North
00:36:25 will now be South and vice ver um but
00:36:28 and those happen you know within tens of
00:36:30 thousands years 6,000 years but one
00:36:32 thing the last time we had an actual
00:36:33 flip where the Earth physically flips
00:36:36 was approximately 780,000 years ago and
00:36:39 we’re something like 200,000 years
00:36:41 overdue so Ben is that what you see is
00:36:44 happening next is it are we in the
00:36:45 middle of a geomagnetic pole shift or is
00:36:47 are we in the mix of a flip a physical
00:36:49 flip I see the Earth doing that 90
00:36:51 degree tilt every 12,000 years on the
00:36:54 geomagnetic excursions 90 degree tilt
00:36:57 would would is is that going to put the
00:36:59 like the North and South Pole at the
00:37:00 equator or essentially picture you’ve
00:37:02 got a globe and you you’re looking at
00:37:04 Greenland okay Tilt The Globe towards
00:37:07 you until Greenland is at the equator
00:37:09 but but this means if you live in like
00:37:12 what if you if you if you live in Miami
00:37:15 for instance you are it’s going to be
00:37:17 cold it’s going to be Arctic Circle ask
00:37:19 yourself why this crocodile fossils in
00:37:20 theka Antarctic Circle but yeah right
00:37:22 right right but what I mean is like
00:37:24 right basically you’re going to be in
00:37:25 this this this you’re you’re going to
00:37:27 have permanent you’re going to have
00:37:28 winter all night summer all day unless
00:37:30 unless that’s the axis that it tilts on
00:37:32 so would it be like like the North Pole
00:37:34 would tilt 90° and then it would keep
00:37:36 rotating the same direction so then the
00:37:39 or would it be that the North Pole would
00:37:41 turn 90 degrees and then it would start
00:37:42 rotating right now Earth is just
00:37:44 rotating around one axis right we’re
00:37:47 just doing this it’s going to be doing
00:37:50 this and then as it’s going to be
00:37:52 turning on another axis the math shows
00:37:56 pretty well well and they actually did
00:37:57 this math in the 1940s and the
00:38:00 1950s uh Einstein did the math the Rand
00:38:02 Corporation did the math which we’re
00:38:04 going to talk we kind of have to talk
00:38:06 about in a little bit but basically it’s
00:38:09 all about where there is too much ice
00:38:11 weight too much weight of ice because
00:38:14 this is basic physics when you’ve got an
00:38:16 object that’s spinning the heaviest part
00:38:18 of the object that’s spinning wants to
00:38:20 spin at the point of greatest
00:38:21 centrifugal force that’s the equator CU
00:38:24 obviously it’s taking the same amount of
00:38:27 time to do one rotation as the poles but
00:38:29 at the poles it’s just a slow turn you
00:38:31 know at the equator you’re going we know
00:38:33 is a th mil yeah so this is a this is a
00:38:36 really cool thing I saw love this yeah
00:38:38 this is the genov effect the tennis
00:38:40 racket theorem the second axis theorem
00:38:42 uh this is really cool and I don’t know
00:38:45 if this is exactly how it’s going to
00:38:46 work on Earth but something like this um
00:38:51 is going to happen and it’s you know
00:38:53 with this it’s actually 180 degrees but
00:38:56 then again for for for those that are
00:38:57 listening it is a t-shaped tool like a
00:39:00 handle it’s a guy in the space station
00:39:02 he spins it and it it’s spinning around
00:39:06 every few rotations it flips and then
00:39:09 flips back and then flips back and then
00:39:11 flips back kind of weird you wonder why
00:39:13 that why that is yeah so uh it’s hard to
00:39:16 know whether or not this is exactly the
00:39:18 mechanism when it comes to Earth I don’t
00:39:20 want to suggest it’s the same mechanism
00:39:21 I just wanted to show that there are
00:39:22 these phenomena where certainly
00:39:24 certainly what doesn’t seem to make
00:39:27 sense it will just flip you’d think that
00:39:31 an object in the t-shape if you were to
00:39:33 spin it on Earth on a table it’s going
00:39:34 to spin like a top right if you were to
00:39:36 put in the air and spin it you’d think
00:39:37 it would flip wildly in random
00:39:39 directions in fact it stabilizes and
00:39:41 flips back and forth near perfectly mhm
00:39:45 that that’s what the Rand Corporation
00:39:47 determined actually happens to the
00:39:48 planet now before we get to that there’s
00:39:50 three important things to think about
00:39:52 because when we’re talking about the
00:39:54 magnetic pole shift and the Earth
00:39:55 turning over the idea of the earth doing
00:39:57 a 90 degree tilt is the hardest one for
00:39:59 people to get their heads
00:40:01 around not only is this in a lot of
00:40:05 different historical catastrophist
00:40:07 accounts it’s in a lot of religions The
00:40:09 Book of Enoch chapter 65 says and Noah
00:40:12 saw the world turned over and knew that
00:40:13 its destruction was near but there’s so
00:40:17 there’s this entire category of the
00:40:20 history of catastrophism you know
00:40:22 whether it’s Earth swaying like a
00:40:24 drunkard there’s two things that are
00:40:26 really important to know here one of
00:40:28 them the second one you guys might have
00:40:30 to fact check and do a little bit of
00:40:32 looking but I’ll describe it very well
00:40:34 the this other one you can just do this
00:40:36 in your heads so you all know the story
00:40:38 of the mammoths that were flash frozen
00:40:40 food undigested in their mouths and
00:40:42 stomachs yeah what you need to realize
00:40:45 is these mammoths were consuming
00:40:47 hundreds if not thousands of pounds of
00:40:49 vegetation every day where they found
00:40:52 these
00:40:53 mammoths there is not enough vegetation
00:40:56 to support them today in an interglacial
00:40:59 warm cycle these things were frozen
00:41:02 during the glacial cycle there was no
00:41:05 food where they found those mammoths
00:41:07 today at that Latitude which means that
00:41:09 when they were there when they were
00:41:11 eating when they were frozen they were
00:41:12 not at that Latitude they were at a
00:41:15 lower latitude in a warmer temperate
00:41:18 High vegetation area and were then
00:41:20 thrust to the polar region this is
00:41:23 something you can do just think about I
00:41:24 mean they had to dig them out of the ice
00:41:26 there’s nowhere around the world at that
00:41:29 Latitude where those mammoths could have
00:41:31 survived today let alone during a
00:41:33 glacial cycle wait if if the planet
00:41:36 tilted to a 90° it’s so it’s spinning
00:41:38 like this is that what you’re saying it
00:41:40 it the the spin will write itself so
00:41:42 that it’s always going you know kind of
00:41:44 like we know now but it’ll kind of be
00:41:45 like a wonky swaying back and forth
00:41:48 which is where the swaying like a
00:41:50 drunker from the Bible probably comes
00:41:51 from it’s it’s it’s going to be tilting
00:41:54 like this and then the Tilt will kind of
00:41:56 but that means at least for some period
00:41:58 as this is happening people will
00:42:00 experience like what monthlong days or
00:42:03 longer this whole thing is going to take
00:42:04 place in just about a just about well
00:42:07 definitely less than a week but probably
00:42:09 a day or two is how long the Tilt takes
00:42:12 the the ship is going to happen in a day
00:42:14 a day but this means like a thief in the
00:42:15 night is that means overnight you know
00:42:18 if you’re if you’re living in Florida
00:42:19 where it’s like sun up sun down at what
00:42:21 like 7:00 p.m. or whatever every every
00:42:23 day the closer you get to the Equator
00:42:24 the more the sunset and you know is
00:42:26 stabilized if you live the further north
00:42:28 you get obviously if you’re in the
00:42:29 Arctic Circle you get permanent sunlight
00:42:32 in the summer and permanent dark in the
00:42:33 winter it’s not perfect actually it’s
00:42:34 really interesting CU I was just up in
00:42:36 uh in Barrow you can see Twilight on the
00:42:38 horizon it’s you but if that shift would
00:42:41 have happened that means you’d be like
00:42:43 all right sunsets around 8800 p.m. or
00:42:44 whatever you go to bed and you wake up
00:42:45 and it’s just sun doesn’t go down
00:42:46 anymore you want to hear something nuts
00:42:47 from the or or doesn’t come back up so
00:42:49 we were just talking about scripture so
00:42:51 this is from the Quran he who seeks
00:42:53 repentance from the Lord before the
00:42:55 rising of the Sun from the West Rising
00:42:58 the Sun from the West before the day of
00:42:59 Resurrection Allah turns to him with
00:43:02 mercy and here’s one from the Bible
00:43:03 Joshua 1013 so the sun Stood Still and
00:43:06 the moon stopped the nation Avenged
00:43:08 itself from its enemies as is written in
00:43:09 the book of josar the sun stopped in the
00:43:12 middle of the sky and delayed going down
00:43:15 about a full day what are they talking
00:43:19 about when you say thrust how violent is
00:43:20 this for people basically it it’s it’s
00:43:23 not like you’re standing there and then
00:43:24 the world’s going to jerk to the side
00:43:26 and you’re going to be thrown into the
00:43:27 wall it’s an acceleration of about 17
00:43:31 mph per minute now if you’ve ever
00:43:35 stopped at a stop sign in a car you know
00:43:36 that’s 17 m per hour per minute is
00:43:39 nothing but when that lasts 60 Minutes
00:43:42 120 Minutes when it lasts a th minutes
00:43:44 right by the peak of this the planet’s
00:43:47 moving hundreds of miles an hour in that
00:43:49 direction now it’s come on SO gradually
00:43:51 that you don’t necessarily notice it
00:43:53 other than looking in the sky and
00:43:55 noticing that the clouds look weird and
00:43:57 the animals are going crazy so if it’s
00:43:58 happening at night the stars are
00:44:00 shifting oh yeah a third of the stars
00:44:02 that you could once see would no longer
00:44:04 be visible to you so we get a new view
00:44:06 yeah new view um but you know it’s easy
00:44:09 to wrap it’s easy to read scripture like
00:44:11 that and there’s a lot of good ones in
00:44:12 Isaiah as well about that and it’s
00:44:15 pretty easy to wrap your head around the
00:44:16 idea of like okay wait a minute how were
00:44:18 these mammoths eating that much food if
00:44:21 they were literally in the Arctic there
00:44:23 isn’t that much food there now certainly
00:44:24 wasn’t in the glacial cycle and so you
00:44:26 can say okay well were they closer to
00:44:29 the Equator at that
00:44:31 time the single most important discovery
00:44:36 about this was kept to this day it’s
00:44:39 kept secret by the government but it was
00:44:41 secretly kept out of classified files by
00:44:45 Major Maynard E White he led project nuk
00:44:50 to the Arctic in the 1940s
00:44:52 now it is absolutely true what they say
00:44:56 about the mainstream what the mainstream
00:44:58 says about project denok they went up to
00:45:01 Northern Canada and their goal was to
00:45:03 learn how to navigate around the
00:45:05 magnetic pole and set up defenses just
00:45:08 in case Russia came over the
00:45:10 top
00:45:12 but at that time they had to First
00:45:15 discover where the magnetic pole was
00:45:17 they figured out it was moving and they
00:45:19 decided to dig down now this isn’t this
00:45:22 to this day has not been acknowledged by
00:45:24 the government by Main stream but major
00:45:27 white kept the documents from the
00:45:29 journey he kept the documents from the
00:45:31 Pentagon and he kept the documents from
00:45:32 the Rand Corporation who did the math he
00:45:35 gave them to his son Ken white to
00:45:37 publish in a book called World in Peril
00:45:40 it is a very hard book to find I got a
00:45:43 copy of it several years ago but
00:45:45 essentially what these documents and
00:45:47 it’s very clear when you’re looking at
00:45:49 these that they weren’t faked and you
00:45:51 know this guy had no reason to fake them
00:45:53 he kept them gave them to his son so
00:45:54 that the world would know
00:45:56 when they started digging down around
00:45:58 the magnetic pole in the Arctic Circle
00:46:01 the first several feet was polar fossils
00:46:04 the next layer was tropical fossils
00:46:07 polar fossils tropical fossils polar
00:46:09 fossils tropical fossils if they’re
00:46:11 keeping this a secret how do you know
00:46:12 about it because major white kept all
00:46:15 the information gave it to his son to
00:46:17 publish in the book World in Peril is
00:46:20 this like operation high jump is that
00:46:22 the same thing didn’t they go up there
00:46:23 for and their theories are they
00:46:24 experiened some type different operation
00:46:26 right but they the same place right
00:46:28 that’s it Tim that’s the book and
00:46:31 they’ll just they’ll call the pseudo
00:46:32 science so if you running like a secret
00:46:34 they just say oh well it’s it’s BS it’s
00:46:35 not true that’s it and so essentially
00:46:38 what they’re what they’re saying is that
00:46:41 the mainstream position would be that
00:46:42 major white lied that he fabricated all
00:46:46 these documents from the Pentagon from
00:46:48 the Rand Corporation from Project nuk up
00:46:51 to the Arctic I I don’t believe that is
00:46:54 the case everything looks
00:46:57 genuine he had no reason to do this he
00:47:00 this wasn’t published by him it was
00:47:02 published by his son several decades
00:47:04 later because if he published it himself
00:47:06 he would be subject to very serious
00:47:09 criminal penalties well he he would be
00:47:11 even if his son had it in theory yes but
00:47:14 he was uh when when the book was
00:47:17 published he had actually uh started
00:47:20 working um he was one of the people who
00:47:23 oversaw spies and and um he had been
00:47:27 retired at this point and there’s a very
00:47:29 good chance I mean he died what what
00:47:31 about the other possibility I mean if
00:47:33 we’re going to get conspiratorial that
00:47:34 this is a pseudo conspiracy released by
00:47:36 the government intentionally to confuse
00:47:39 or distract I think about 100 people
00:47:42 knew about this book before I found it
00:47:44 like nobody knew like I mean unless
00:47:46 their plan was to literally somehow
00:47:50 guide me to this book and and have me
00:47:53 talk about it you know who who’s that
00:47:55 guy who claimed he saw aliens in the
00:47:56 ’90s I always forget his name uh the one
00:47:58 who was abducted no no he worked for the
00:48:00 government Lazar Lazar Lazar he said
00:48:03 that he saw Little Green Man or whatever
00:48:04 but then later on says oh it must have
00:48:05 been a puppet or something and and one
00:48:07 of the theories as to the claims he made
00:48:09 is they brought him in specifically to
00:48:12 trick him hoping he would then go to the
00:48:15 press and say a bunch of crazy nonsense
00:48:17 there’s a really simple reason you would
00:48:18 do something like this you want your
00:48:20 enemies to think you have powerful
00:48:21 weapons they can’t describe or
00:48:22 understand to to scare them to deter
00:48:24 them well yeah I think of Annie Jacobson
00:48:26 if you want to believe her or not I’m
00:48:27 not sure how I feel but she wrote a book
00:48:29 where she said she had a a high level
00:48:31 Source from Area 51 who claimed that we
00:48:33 brought in uh disabled children and
00:48:35 mutilated them to make them look like uh
00:48:37 extraterrestrials she said it on Rogan
00:48:39 like four or five years ago it’s in her
00:48:41 book I forgot the name of the book so
00:48:42 there is that it’s just more believable
00:48:43 than aliens right depraved government
00:48:46 actors mutilating children well that
00:48:47 perfect yeah makes sense to us right now
00:48:50 A as a person who you know likes to keep
00:48:53 an open mind and think about things I
00:48:55 can’t sit here and definitively say that
00:48:57 what Tim just described isn’t what
00:48:59 happened i’ I’d like I’ve never believed
00:49:02 I’ve been that kind of special I do know
00:49:05 this whether it’s the Bible the Quran
00:49:08 the VC Stories the stories from India
00:49:10 which also talk about this the
00:49:11 zoroastrian texts which talk about the
00:49:13 Earth turning over it’s in every ancient
00:49:15 story I think about the mammoths and how
00:49:18 they literally could not have been in
00:49:20 the Arctic when they like living there
00:49:22 there wasn’t enough
00:49:24 food okay it really makes me think okay
00:49:27 between the mammoths and the religious
00:49:28 stories there has to be something where
00:49:30 the Earth turns this is the perfect
00:49:33 explanation for it and it just so
00:49:36 happens you know they found I mean their
00:49:39 geologist said these layers are
00:49:40 separated by about 10 to 12,000 years
00:49:43 which is the perfect geomagnetic cycle
00:49:45 the perfect cycle on which the earth
00:49:47 goes back and forth on this tilt is
00:49:50 literally either that is absolutely true
00:49:54 and the world tilts 90° as these
00:49:57 geomagnetic pole shifts occur as is
00:49:59 about to happen in the next 20 years or
00:50:03 the government has literally targeted me
00:50:05 like they did Bob Lazar as as an
00:50:08 instrument to release this information
00:50:10 and then at the same time completely
00:50:13 censored my YouTube channel got me
00:50:16 kicked off a Twitter look more credible
00:50:17 to Crazy conspiracy theorists Like Me
00:50:20 Maybe maybe they banned you from YouTube
00:50:22 they haven’t Banned Me from YouTube yet
00:50:23 but I got to be very very careful what I
00:50:26 you know and I just need to iterate this
00:50:27 I’m throttled like crazy which is that
00:50:29 this is mainstream science that the
00:50:30 Earth flips so what’s you know and going
00:50:33 back to that hit piece by Media Matters
00:50:34 it was me discussing the Adam and Eve
00:50:36 story which was discussed in a CIA
00:50:38 meeting that I learned from Ben a number
00:50:39 of years ago that you were the first to
00:50:41 discuss it that’s where I learned of
00:50:42 this and that’s what they originally
00:50:43 attacked me for was discussing
00:50:45 discussing the Adam and Eve story which
00:50:47 talks about a catastrophic pole flip
00:50:49 that happens every 6,500 years and is
00:50:51 the missing link to Lost ancient human
00:50:53 civilizations it says that this is the
00:50:54 story that’s been told and passed down
00:50:56 by religions across the the continents
00:50:59 and that’s what they hit me for so of
00:51:01 all things and I was so let me give a
00:51:02 shout out to Tucker Carlson he talked
00:51:04 about this he indirectly mentioned me I
00:51:05 don’t know I don’t think he knows who I
00:51:06 am but he had mentioned this when he
00:51:08 gave a speech in Las Vegas approximately
00:51:09 a month ago where he said I just came
00:51:11 across that Media Matters had came after
00:51:13 a guy that discussed you know this
00:51:15 document um discussing the uh you know
00:51:18 catastrophic events that reset human
00:51:19 civilization and if all things on earth
00:51:22 that Media Matters funded by George
00:51:23 Soros would go after why are the concern
00:51:25 about some YouTuber talking about some
00:51:27 conspiratorial P shift andless you know
00:51:30 what I mean like if all things they go
00:51:31 after why did they focus on that so
00:51:32 you’re not talking about the Adam and
00:51:33 Eve story from the Bible you’re talking
00:51:35 about the history of cataclysms by Chan
00:51:37 Thomas Thomas correct then you should
00:51:39 talk about that yeah what is that so he
00:51:41 wrote three versions of that the latest
00:51:43 one in the 9s right before he died is
00:51:45 the best one cuz he actually figured it
00:51:47 took him three versions and several
00:51:49 decades to figure out the sun blasts the
00:51:53 but Jesus out of our planet when this
00:51:55 occurs because the sun’s undergoing the
00:51:57 galactic magnetic reversal too and he
00:52:01 also mentioned the galactic magnetic
00:52:03 field so at the end of the day he
00:52:04 finally got the whole story everything
00:52:07 from the mega floods to the Earth
00:52:10 turning over to the extra radiation to
00:52:12 the way humans will treat each other in
00:52:14 the end times to the impact of the Sun
00:52:17 the effect of the Galaxy on our entire
00:52:20 solar system the 1990s version of the
00:52:23 Adam and Eve Story by chance Thomas is
00:52:26 literally the full story of of what’s
00:52:29 happening right now what do you mean
00:52:30 full story like he rewrote Adam and or
00:52:32 the Genesis so I mean essentially I
00:52:35 mean do you remember ever having those
00:52:37 textbook in school and it was
00:52:40 like algebra something like seventh
00:52:42 edition you know they just keep updating
00:52:44 it with new information he he was able
00:52:47 to make three editions of the story and
00:52:50 you know back in the 60s when he wrote
00:52:51 the first one he had a lot but they
00:52:53 didn’t know anything about the Sun or
00:52:54 the galactic I magnetic fields back then
00:52:57 by the time the 9s rolled around he
00:52:58 literally could complete the entire
00:53:01 story and not only that he talked so
00:53:02 there’s something called the younger
00:53:03 driest climate catastrophe that happened
00:53:05 11,600 years ago or the precipice of it
00:53:08 was 12,800 years ago he talks and
00:53:10 describes these events decades before it
00:53:12 was published so it’s like how did he
00:53:14 understand this information decades
00:53:16 before is this possible that when the
00:53:18 earth flips 90° this is why the the
00:53:21 Sphinx has water erosion on it cuz it
00:53:23 was actually in a different part of the
00:53:25 it was definitely underwater it was
00:53:28 definitely underw I don’t know uh
00:53:30 egyptologist geologists and others have
00:53:32 rejected water erosion hypothesis that
00:53:34 Pro course they I tell you what everyone
00:53:36 has the ability for discernment and if
00:53:39 you look at the water or the Sphinx in
00:53:41 closure it anyone you do not have to be
00:53:43 a a geologist to understand the
00:53:45 difference between wind erosion and
00:53:47 water erosion and you can see the two
00:53:49 examples of both on the Giza Plateau
00:53:51 I’ve been out there a few times you can
00:53:53 see like you could just go to Google
00:53:55 images and look at examples of limestone
00:53:58 with water erosion and Limestone with
00:54:00 wind erosion look at look look at these
00:54:02 lines I mean up top wind the enclosure
00:54:06 so down to the lower right that’s the
00:54:08 enclosure that was once buried and
00:54:10 consumed up top on the Sphinx that’s
00:54:12 wind erosion and what’s significant
00:54:14 about this is that the Sphinx is
00:54:15 allegedly 4200 years old and yet the
00:54:18 last time the N Delta Region had
00:54:20 significant rainfall was 9,000 years ago
00:54:23 nearly double the age of the sphin
00:54:25 so it throws a a wrench into the age
00:54:27 that some have suggested that this is
00:54:28 tens of thousands of years old and Dr
00:54:30 Robert shock from Boston University is
00:54:32 the one that brought this to light and
00:54:33 he was at a conference with a few
00:54:35 hundred other geologists he didn’t show
00:54:37 him the sphin he just showed him the
00:54:38 pictures is this wind or is this water
00:54:40 erosion everyone said water any he
00:54:44 zoomed out I I I was watching something
00:54:46 interesting where they Des they talk
00:54:48 about the the size of the Sphinx head to
00:54:50 the body and that the theory is it was
00:54:52 originally like an Anubis head and a
00:54:54 pharaoh Destro destroyed it and and
00:54:55 sculpted a smaller head of himself
00:54:57 carved his father’s head it was Ram some
00:54:59 say Anubis some say lion whatever it was
00:55:03 this picture doesn’t do justice for how
00:55:04 awkwardly small it actually is and on
00:55:06 top of it look how pristine it is in
00:55:08 comparison to the lower half it’s it’s
00:55:10 feasible it’s very reasonable to to
00:55:12 suggest that it was recarved by some
00:55:14 loser pharaoh who wanted you know some
00:55:16 egomaniac it’s like look at me smashes
00:55:19 nose off out of cuz they were so pissed
00:55:20 off they defaced the lion that was a
00:55:23 probably a cat for I imagine it was cat
00:55:25 and by the way like while we’re on the
00:55:26 topic cuz you know the sphin is in
00:55:28 Africa if we look at if you were to go
00:55:30 to Google Earth and zoom out over the
00:55:33 Sahara Desert there is textbook water
00:55:35 stations that blast across the entire
00:55:37 continent that is inexplicable to modern
00:55:40 science I don’t know how this happened
00:55:42 but to me it sounds like related to a
00:55:43 geomagnetic or excuse me a a pole
00:55:46 reversal an actual flip because what
00:55:48 would cause in going back to that Adam
00:55:49 and Eve story it talks about Continental
00:55:51 size waves 2 miles high with, mph winds
00:55:56 that blew and and and essentially just
00:55:58 destroyed the Earth and if you look at
00:56:00 the Sahara Desert from space you could
00:56:02 see these textbooks durations that you
00:56:03 teach of water erosion and it’s it’s
00:56:06 it’s on a level that’s un you know
00:56:08 unfathomably larger than anything we’ve
00:56:10 ever seen I imagine it’s from the
00:56:12 cometary impact North America 12,800
00:56:14 years ago that melted the GLA the
00:56:16 glaciers but then Jimmy and I were
00:56:18 talking and he mentioned that you
00:56:19 thought maybe it was related to the pole
00:56:21 shifts as well that the maybe the reason
00:56:23 why comets struck North America and in
00:56:25 North Asia was because our poles were
00:56:27 our magnetic field was down it wasn’t
00:56:29 comets what what caused the the great
00:56:32 melt 12,800 years ago from your side so
00:56:35 from your impact these
00:56:37 impactors they don’t just show up 12,000
00:56:39 years ago but 24 36 48 60 72 they’re on
00:56:45 a cycle as well and so one impactor
00:56:49 can’t hit over and over again and
00:56:50 something big enough where we’re just
00:56:52 going through its debris we’d see it
00:56:55 we’d see it out there I mean we we can
00:56:57 spot comets that are on much longer time
00:57:01 scales out in the Y
00:57:04 Cloud this is where you have to bring in
00:57:09 biblical stuff Stellar chemistry and
00:57:13 astrophysics the sun does go dark a
00:57:16 shell of dust builds around it it will
00:57:18 go dark for about 3 days and it is
00:57:21 because of the galactic magnetic
00:57:23 reversal at the same time that Earth is
00:57:26 triggered by the galactic magnetic
00:57:28 reversal point the sun will be triggered
00:57:30 and the Sun is going to blast off this
00:57:32 shell of dust it’s going to instantly
00:57:35 turn it into plasma and blast it
00:57:38 everywhere it’s what I call the solar
00:57:41 micronova that is the
00:57:44 impactors they get blasted through the
00:57:46 entire solar system it’s pieces of the
00:57:48 Sun that are actually blasting away it’s
00:57:51 I mean technically is it really all that
00:57:53 different from getting hit by Comet or
00:57:55 asteroid no but it’s an important
00:57:57 distinction and one thing to touch on
00:57:59 that is that if the North American ice
00:58:02 shelf got hit by Cosmic impacts has been
00:58:04 you know widely suggested the issue I
00:58:06 have for it is then why didn’t it just
00:58:07 refreeze like maybe it melted it and it
00:58:09 caused some havoc on Earth but then over
00:58:11 time it would refreeze this is why I’m
00:58:13 more inclined to to align with the pull
00:58:14 shift Theory which is that it flipped
00:58:17 and then it just stayed thaw maybe Tim B
00:58:20 brought up some of these AF African
00:58:22 striations that you were talking about
00:58:23 Jimmy these are these left to right
00:58:25 L scoll out even further yeah all right
00:58:27 right there these lines drawn across
00:58:30 west to east or whatever Direction these
00:58:31 are called striations and it’s made by
00:58:33 mass erosion this is water erosion this
00:58:35 is not wind erosion because if you zoom
00:58:37 in you could see the sand dunes within
00:58:38 them um and I’d scroll out go all go up
00:58:41 to the left scroll in now right I wish I
00:58:45 could show you give me one of the names
00:58:47 uh well this is just to anyone listening
00:58:49 this over the rot structure commonly
00:58:51 referred to as the ey of the Sahara in
00:58:52 the country of morania so if you were
00:58:54 scroll let me step away from the mic
00:58:56 yeah this looks like the the capital of
00:58:58 Atlantis for my my view it matches more
00:59:00 than a dozen similarities to what ploh
00:59:02 had described that ocean sand and and
00:59:04 all those white blemishes is salt by the
00:59:06 way wow which makes me think that the
00:59:08 ocean had blasted over it and was
00:59:11 there’s a really interesting map that
00:59:12 talks about how ancient coastlines
00:59:14 affected modern voting patterns have you
00:59:16 seen it say that again ancient
00:59:19 coastlines affect modern voting voting
00:59:21 patterns in the United States tell us
00:59:22 more so the uh uh I don’t know exactly
00:59:27 what combination of chemicals but I was
00:59:30 a they show a map where the coastline
00:59:33 used to be in the South uh in like uh
00:59:36 Alabama Arkansas Mississippi Georgia in
00:59:38 the middle of the states is this band
00:59:39 that used to be Coastline which leaves a
00:59:42 bunch of sediment and minerals later on
00:59:46 as the the coastline Retreats you then
00:59:49 have very fertile soil you then have
00:59:51 plantation owners coming to bring Farms
00:59:54 bringing slaves the slaves densely
00:59:57 populate this band of fertile soil and
01:00:00 now you have this chunk of voting block
01:00:02 that’s predominantly uh uh you know
01:00:04 Democrat voters interesting that’s wild
01:00:06 because of where the coastline used to
01:00:07 be and then how humans reacted to the
01:00:09 fertile soil that was there you get the
01:00:10 point that’s wild and since we’re
01:00:11 talking about the south you should look
01:00:12 at the 10,000 year old Forest uh
01:00:15 underneath the Gulf of Mexico just uh
01:00:17 south of
01:00:18 Louisiana that’s check it out give that
01:00:21 a Google let’s let’s let’s let’s let’s
01:00:23 wrap up the rad structure real quick
01:00:24 then I’ll Google the 10,000 year old
01:00:25 Forest under water so awesome we’re get
01:00:28 wild so
01:00:30 uh why don’t we just I don’t know go to
01:00:33 the rot structure and then excavate so
01:00:35 it is forbidden the mortanian government
01:00:38 uh is protecting their gold so there are
01:00:39 vast gold deposits in morania and what’s
01:00:42 interesting about this so I’ve I’ve
01:00:43 talked about this in depth that this I
01:00:45 consider the rot structure the most
01:00:46 likely location for the Lost ancient
01:00:48 city of Atlantis as described by Plato
01:00:51 um that story is not a Disney movie it
01:00:52 originates from the Egyptians that said
01:00:54 there colonist who started over new from
01:00:56 a a destroyed civilization and um
01:00:59 Atlantis was said to have an abundance
01:01:01 of gold well which interesting is that
01:01:03 prior to the discovery of gold in North
01:01:05 America uh and this is by the way I’m
01:01:07 citing the ancient uh resources of um
01:01:12 What’s the title of it’s from 1852 this
01:01:14 is an actual document of ancient
01:01:15 resources out of morania and up until
01:01:18 that point the vast majority of gold
01:01:20 that was sent to to Europe came right
01:01:22 out of morania so I had some buddies
01:01:24 that went to morania uh josa gson World
01:01:26 attorney of media to give him a shout
01:01:27 out and the uh and as well as Graham uh
01:01:30 forgive me archaic lens on Twitter I got
01:01:32 to give him the shout out he went there
01:01:33 with ground PR chaining radar and he
01:01:34 threatened them with imprisonment if
01:01:35 they were to use it so like there’s gold
01:01:37 there and so that’s the number one
01:01:38 reason um what what is the official
01:01:40 explanation for the creation of the uh
01:01:43 rot structure rot rot it’s pronounced
01:01:45 many different ways um what is the
01:01:47 mainstream explanation for how this look
01:01:49 can we pull this up real quick you take
01:01:51 a look at this and uh zoom out and then
01:01:55 Zoom back in this is mindblowing the eye
01:01:57 of the Sahara it is this gigantic circle
01:02:00 with concentric circles uh going into it
01:02:03 what is the official explanation to what
01:02:05 would have created something like this
01:02:06 they say that it that the consensus this
01:02:08 is it is still mysterious um
01:02:11 scientifically mysterious it is like no
01:02:13 other site anywhere else on Earth but
01:02:14 it’s considered to be a collapsed
01:02:16 volcanic Dome and what’s interesting
01:02:19 about this is that it has concentric
01:02:20 circles and Atlantis was described to
01:02:22 having concentric circles specifically
01:02:23 three of water two of land which matches
01:02:25 the rot it also was said to have an
01:02:27 opening to the Sea at the South which if
01:02:28 you look if you scan if you pan out just
01:02:30 a smidgen look to the South you can
01:02:32 clearly see runoff and all of those
01:02:34 white blemishes inside the r shot is
01:02:36 salt how long have they put the ban on
01:02:38 Excavating there like when did that
01:02:39 start there there’s no ban you’re just
01:02:41 not you I mean well you’re not allowed
01:02:43 to I don’t know when it started and and
01:02:45 I can’t tell you how long that will go
01:02:46 for the mortanian government like I hate
01:02:48 to say it but it’s it’s as Third World
01:02:49 As It Gets it’s the middle of nowhere
01:02:51 it’s abject poverty if there ever was
01:02:52 such a thing it’s right there it is you
01:02:55 there’s no such thing as McDonald’s in
01:02:56 morania like this place is are there are
01:02:59 there records of people going there
01:03:00 before the mortanian government sure
01:03:02 people have gone there and looked around
01:03:03 it it’s been studied to see if it was
01:03:05 the result of a there’s no McDonald’s in
01:03:06 morania I don’t believe that I think
01:03:08 that you could double check I could be
01:03:09 wrong on that I think it’s an underwater
01:03:11 geyser that underground water geyser
01:03:14 that tried to erupt and couldn’t and
01:03:15 then hit the surface and cause ripples
01:03:17 isn’t there one of these on Mars you
01:03:18 know I saw yes bring that up it’s wait
01:03:21 no there is no McDonald we got to find
01:03:22 the mar there’s
01:03:25 so post we got this is what I’m talking
01:03:27 about like to travel out there like so
01:03:30 it is you have to have resources it’s
01:03:32 250 Mi Inland off the Atlantic coast and
01:03:35 there’s not even real not there’s not
01:03:37 even real roads out there it is
01:03:38 inhospitable there’s no water it’s
01:03:40 desolate um and you know it’s just it’s
01:03:44 one of those places that’s hard to get
01:03:45 funding to get out there think it’s
01:03:46 actually gold oring was was was was
01:03:48 Atlantis more advanced than we are now
01:03:50 or is that just much more advanced much
01:03:52 more advanced much more iracy but I
01:03:55 think that there was a Lost Civilization
01:03:56 on Earth that created Feats that we are
01:03:58 Inc I shouldn’t say incapable of things
01:04:00 that create let me give you let me give
01:04:02 you an example to under so people
01:04:04 listening can understand the
01:04:05 accomplishments of of the Ancients there
01:04:08 is a statue in Egypt in luxer called the
01:04:10 ramum statue it is a th000 tons that was
01:04:13 carved out of one solid piece of granite
01:04:15 stone that was moved approximately 150
01:04:17 miles 1,000 tons there’s a few 720 ton
01:04:21 stones that were removed 500 miles or
01:04:24 let say 400 excuse me um the in in 200
01:04:29 was it 15 or 12 doesn’t matter the Los
01:04:30 Angeles County Museum of Art moved a 340
01:04:33 ton Stone just over 106 mil it took a
01:04:37 year of planning they had to custom
01:04:38 build a 260 foot long trailer truck
01:04:41 around the stone had 198 Wheels 44 axles
01:04:45 this this was an unbelievable
01:04:46 undertaking for us to move a 340 ton
01:04:49 Stone and somehow the Egyptians moved
01:04:50 something that was three times as heavy
01:04:52 with primitive methods it is e they they
01:04:55 had big horns you see this one and they
01:04:58 they they would all stand next to it and
01:04:59 blow the horns vibr this the W Jericho
01:05:03 story so actually I built I I built I
01:05:05 have this on my YouTube channel I built
01:05:06 a remote control can of green tea by uh
01:05:09 taking a can of green tea and then I put
01:05:11 a block on top with two Motors and I put
01:05:14 the bottom of a can of green tea on one
01:05:16 of the motors so when it spun it created
01:05:17 a wobble and this would cause the can to
01:05:19 vibrate and the weight would pull it
01:05:21 forward and you could actually make it
01:05:23 so the you would turn it I have the
01:05:25 video on my YouTube uh the way it would
01:05:27 turn is you’d reduce the speed of the
01:05:29 motor and it would cause the can to spin
01:05:30 in circles and then if you increase the
01:05:32 speed it would drag in the direction of
01:05:34 the of the motor so it was just
01:05:36 literally a can of green tea that would
01:05:38 float across the table through vibration
01:05:39 my theory of these Big Blocks is that
01:05:41 they attached them to hot air balloons
01:05:42 that they had gigantic they had this
01:05:44 thing called The V uh the in the Indian
01:05:46 Hindu texts and uh it was a Giant
01:05:48 floating city on hot air balloons so I
01:05:51 think they attached these these blocks
01:05:52 to like a thousand hot air balloons and
01:05:55 then they would like with ropes just
01:05:57 guide the blocks along you know for 100
01:05:59 miles and walk it to its destination
01:06:01 this this how they did it it’s very
01:06:03 obvious something like resonant frequenc
01:06:05 I mean I’ve been watching Jimmy’s expose
01:06:08 on on these for a while you’ve been
01:06:10 doing a great job with that on on X
01:06:12 formerly Twitter the only thing I can
01:06:14 think of is initially there were two
01:06:16 ideas that came to my head one okay are
01:06:18 these cast somehow what were they
01:06:21 literally cast in place
01:06:24 um that one’s hard I can’t say it’s
01:06:27 impossible but that one’s hard to wrap
01:06:28 your head around and hard to believe
01:06:29 that’s the answer if they had a way to
01:06:33 through resonant frequencies vibrate
01:06:36 these Stones that’s the only other thing
01:06:38 I’ve ever been able to think of you guys
01:06:40 ever uh you guys should watch Dr Stone
01:06:42 have you ever heard of Dr Stone no it’s
01:06:44 a manga anime about for some reason at
01:06:47 some point everyone turn every every
01:06:49 human turns to Stone okay and then
01:06:51 several thousand years later this super
01:06:53 smart High School Prodigy awakens from
01:06:55 Stone it’s like Magic School Bus for
01:06:57 Japanese kids but it’s a lot of fun
01:06:59 because it explores this idea of what
01:07:01 would happen if uh so after everyone
01:07:03 turns to Stone the people on the
01:07:04 International Space Station still alive
01:07:05 not Stone they land back on Earth they
01:07:08 have all this modern knowledge and our
01:07:10 scientists what can they do they can’t
01:07:13 make iron they they can do almost
01:07:15 nothing they make concrete they can do
01:07:17 really basic things and so the only way
01:07:21 what they decide to do is create 100
01:07:22 stories to pass down generation after
01:07:24 generation to try and give them a
01:07:25 general understanding of things they
01:07:26 once knew but of course after several
01:07:28 Generations it’s all mythological mumbo
01:07:30 jumbo right so it’s it’s a great show
01:07:34 and uh it it’s mostly like Hey we’re
01:07:36 going to we’re going to make uh nitric
01:07:37 acid and they explain the chemical
01:07:39 composition how to find iron how to find
01:07:41 magnets it’s it’s fun stuff but uh the
01:07:44 interesting concept is if there was an
01:07:47 ancient civilization maybe humans who uh
01:07:50 for some reason came to Earth and tried
01:07:52 to colonize maybe following some
01:07:54 disaster I’ll put it this way let me
01:07:56 tell you a story Venus We Believe
01:07:59 suffered a run a runaway greenhous
01:08:01 effect have you have you heard ever read
01:08:02 about that yeah I I I don’t know if it
01:08:05 was ever anything like Earth but uh well
01:08:08 so there there are theories that Venus
01:08:09 was once Earth Lake and that it’s
01:08:11 suffering a runaway greenhouse effect
01:08:12 due to carbon dioxide water vapor also
01:08:15 the sun expanding Perhaps Perhaps and so
01:08:18 for whatever reason it is it is a
01:08:21 sulfuric planet we tried Landing a drone
01:08:23 on it it just destroyed instantly very
01:08:25 dense chemical gases and things like
01:08:28 this so imagine Venus is once earthlike
01:08:30 Earth is marsik or you know just
01:08:34 underdeveloped and a runaway gr’s effect
01:08:36 due to massive expansion of a
01:08:37 civilization is destroying the planet so
01:08:40 they decide to create the ark project a
01:08:43 military project where they take the DNA
01:08:44 male and female of as many animals as
01:08:46 possible loaded onto a ship and then try
01:08:48 to terraform Earth in the event of a
01:08:50 disaster which wipes out Venus it
01:08:53 eventually does
01:08:54 the people who are able to escape in
01:08:55 time on this single ship come and
01:08:57 establish a city on Earth but of course
01:09:00 a bunch of you know scientists aren’t
01:09:02 going to have the capability you know a
01:09:04 guy who knows how to you know work uh
01:09:06 let’s say minerals is not going to have
01:09:07 the same knowledge as somebody who knows
01:09:08 how to work computers and So eventually
01:09:10 the system starts to break down they
01:09:12 don’t actually have the Civ Elon Musk
01:09:14 talks about how we need more people
01:09:16 right the more people you have the more
01:09:17 Specialists you have but a dude who is
01:09:19 re like a guy who’s a master of building
01:09:23 computers from Parts can’t actually make
01:09:25 those parts he knows how to put the
01:09:27 computer together the guy the guy who
01:09:29 knows how to make the Silicon chips in
01:09:30 the factory doesn’t know how to actually
01:09:32 build the computer and so uh there’s
01:09:34 actually a book I think I forgot who
01:09:36 wrote the book was it Ashley St Clair or
01:09:38 it’s uh uh what’s it called like no one
01:09:40 makes a pizza or takes a village or
01:09:41 whatever I don’t right the general idea
01:09:43 being to make a pizza you need a farmer
01:09:46 you need someone who makes tomatoes you
01:09:47 need someone to make tomato tomato sauce
01:09:48 you need someone who does the cheese you
01:09:50 need the baker someone who can make the
01:09:51 oven none of these individual ual knows
01:09:54 how to do it so if there was outside of
01:09:57 this you know sci-fi Theory a
01:09:58 civilization that was fleeing Advanced
01:10:01 came here they would be able to
01:10:03 establish something great but after a
01:10:05 few Generations it would completely
01:10:06 collapse this is why I don’t think the
01:10:08 ancient civilizations were more advanced
01:10:10 than us because I’ve never seen evidence
01:10:11 of ancient steel like there’s no it’d be
01:10:14 gone very quickly even stain the steel
01:10:16 be gone there’s no evidence of any
01:10:19 technology that they have that’s more
01:10:21 that that we’ve found archaeologically
01:10:22 that’s more advanced disagree maybe
01:10:24 differently Advanced I would say
01:10:26 differently Advanced there’s a Temple
01:10:29 that was they had to excavate it
01:10:31 completely in Northern India and it’s
01:10:34 got these huge Granite columns and not
01:10:37 only is the is the construction of this
01:10:41 thing so long ago incredible and the
01:10:44 burying of it so incredible but they
01:10:47 found that when you knocked on these
01:10:49 giant columns they each resounded with a
01:10:53 different frequency and the frequencies
01:10:56 they resounded on were like in a pattern
01:10:59 and like we don’t know how to make
01:11:00 Granite do that now we have no idea how
01:11:02 to make Granite do that so I an
01:11:04 interesting concept too is uh Metals
01:11:06 would oxidize they would they’re going
01:11:08 to they’re going to effectively
01:11:09 evaporate Stone right not so much and
01:11:12 that’s the thing so like like when it
01:11:14 comes to the Granite so they say that
01:11:16 Egyptians were a Bronze Age culture
01:11:18 which means their advanced form of
01:11:19 tooling was copper based and and when
01:11:21 you look like people have done modern
01:11:23 test to try and cut and carve Granite
01:11:25 with bronze tooling and it feels so
01:11:27 miserably so like talking about like
01:11:30 whether Granite could have been
01:11:31 geopolymer it’s like the the quaries are
01:11:33 there in Egypt and they’ve done um um
01:11:36 what is it Geo fingerprinting something
01:11:38 fingerprinting of the stone and it
01:11:40 matches and the thing about Granite so
01:11:41 unique is it has Quartzsite in it it’s
01:11:43 formed with a massive amount of pressure
01:11:45 it’s volcanic in nature heat um and
01:11:47 we’re not able to replicate that and so
01:11:49 I’d say that the the only thing that is
01:11:51 left is the stone and the stone can last
01:11:53 millions and millions of years you think
01:11:54 they made Granite no I I I disagree I
01:11:57 say they do not a lot of people are
01:11:58 suggesting that and I’m not saying I
01:12:00 disagree entirely with the concept of
01:12:02 geopolymer but when it comes to Granite
01:12:04 no i’ I’ve see absolutely no evidence
01:12:07 what if the ancient
01:12:08 civilization was humans that came to
01:12:11 Earth and terraformed it have you guys
01:12:12 seen moonfall that movie no no not yet
01:12:15 the the I’m going to spoiler alert the
01:12:17 Moon is a uh the Moon is a space station
01:12:20 an ancient civilization of super
01:12:22 Advanced humans created a bunch of space
01:12:24 stations and AI started destroying and
01:12:26 wiping out their colonies so they
01:12:27 launched these space stations to go and
01:12:29 create and terraform planets to create
01:12:31 Havens safe havens and that’s what they
01:12:32 did and then the AI is coming to kill
01:12:34 them or something like that sh Shannon
01:12:35 A1 in the chat in the chat I said that
01:12:38 really weird uh echoed what I was
01:12:39 thinking is that water did they use
01:12:41 water to drill they got water drills
01:12:43 like so the point the point I was
01:12:44 actually just about to make was uh if
01:12:47 there was some kind of advanced
01:12:48 civilization why the assumption that
01:12:49 they no longer exist when we when uh you
01:12:52 know I’m watching these videos of a guy
01:12:54 exploring abandoned houses I mean look
01:12:57 you watch a video of a guy exploring an
01:12:58 abandoned laboratory you don’t assume
01:13:00 humans have been wiped out perhaps the
01:13:02 reason why they say no one can go to the
01:13:03 the Rashad structure is because it’s an
01:13:06 abandoned warehouse of super Advanced
01:13:09 civilization that still exists and so
01:13:13 you know we have Laboratories I watch
01:13:14 this video it’s crazy a guy says there’s
01:13:16 an an underground laboratory in Chicago
01:13:19 you can get to through tunnels and he’s
01:13:20 there’s like specimens there’s blood
01:13:22 it’s creepy as hell you don’t look at
01:13:24 that and say humans no longer exist you
01:13:25 go he will be arrested if he’s found in
01:13:28 there because it’s dangerous and they
01:13:30 don’t want you going in there so perhaps
01:13:32 this ancient civilization that
01:13:33 terraforms or creates all of these
01:13:35 things they’re still around we’re just
01:13:37 shuffling through their refu and some
01:13:39 they don’t care about there’s humans
01:13:40 everywhere and some they do care about
01:13:42 because like if they go there they’re
01:13:43 going to find our cell phones yeah under
01:13:45 it’s possible that we got underground C
01:13:48 but that the way that Atlantis met its
01:13:50 end so abruptly makes me think that they
01:13:52 didn’t have a chance to Escape yeah in
01:13:54 the in the Bible not to be a bible
01:13:55 thumper but it says that the event comes
01:13:57 like a thief in the night that it
01:13:58 catches everyone off guard a thief in
01:13:59 the night just unexpected um and real
01:14:02 quick to answer uh in the chat about the
01:14:04 cutting stone with water you can cut
01:14:06 diamond with water the issue is that the
01:14:08 we have to use pumps that are you know
01:14:10 runoff engines Motors to do that so it’s
01:14:13 like if you were to use water as a force
01:14:15 to cut stone how would you get it at
01:14:17 such a PSI level to to be able to do so
01:14:20 without modern machinery and equipment
01:14:21 and hydraulics and other things this is
01:14:23 why Dr Stone is BAS AF because they they
01:14:27 like you watch the process or it’s it’s
01:14:30 a show it’s smart though how to melt How
01:14:32 do you how do you actually melt metals
01:14:34 to smelt and they show you know pumping
01:14:37 oxygen and the challenge of humans
01:14:40 trying to pump oxygen into a furnace to
01:14:41 get it hot enough and then creating a
01:14:43 water wheel which automates the process
01:14:45 and using gears to increase the speed at
01:14:48 which you can pump oxygen it’s fun stuff
01:14:50 that’s cool by the way if you’re talking
01:14:51 about like space stations and other
01:14:53 things
01:14:54 have you guys researched the moon and
01:14:55 all the anomalies about it that are just
01:14:57 scientific Mysteries well it’s now
01:14:59 mainstream accepted that the Moon is a
01:15:00 space station it’s Hollow no I’m kidding
01:15:02 it’s a hollow well here’s the thing
01:15:03 though it has been suggested to be a
01:15:05 hollowed out planetoid and what’s
01:15:07 interesting about it is that when they
01:15:08 you know back in the 60s and 70s when
01:15:10 they threw the Saturn 5 rocket into it
01:15:12 it vibrated it ring like a bell it R it
01:15:15 was described as ringing like a bell so
01:15:16 the astronauts went there six times and
01:15:18 they set up or was it five six they went
01:15:20 there failed one time but anyways um
01:15:22 they they put down seismographs and what
01:15:24 happened was when it’s been hit by
01:15:25 meteorites as well as a Saturn 5 launch
01:15:27 vehicle that they threw into it it it
01:15:29 reverberated between the seism grass for
01:15:31 for like eight hours and so the
01:15:34 scientist that examined the the um data
01:15:36 on it said it appears to be Hollow is
01:15:39 because it reverberated like a bell it
01:15:41 doesn’t mean it sounded like a bell
01:15:42 there’s no sound in space but I think
01:15:44 the Moon is a mausoleum and then we’ve
01:15:46 been burying people there do you know
01:15:47 about this like there’s those spaceships
01:15:49 missions going up there to bury Arthur C
01:15:50 Clark and other people from Star Trek
01:15:52 that one surprising I have no evidence
01:15:54 for there’s something so weird well tell
01:15:56 me more about that I’ve never they’ve
01:15:57 been they’ve been do I think celestus is
01:15:59 the company and they they you buy plots
01:16:02 and they they I think the mission failed
01:16:04 last week for whatever reason but
01:16:05 they’re going to go again next next
01:16:07 month but uh they have a two ships that
01:16:10 they’re going to send out there one of
01:16:11 them has all these like uh plots of
01:16:14 people like Arthur C Clark and his wife
01:16:16 I believe and SAR Trek cast members and
01:16:19 the other one has DNA from George
01:16:21 Washington JFK and that one’s going to
01:16:23 be sent into deep space so I I I’ve been
01:16:26 reliably told that the the Moon is a
01:16:29 graveyard already and that we just keep
01:16:30 populating it that makes a lot of sense
01:16:33 I mean they fire who they fired huness
01:16:35 Thompson out of a cannon you know like
01:16:37 Rich crazy people do rich crazy things
01:16:39 and you Elon Musk is gonna be like bury
01:16:41 me on Mars and there’s going to be a
01:16:43 dead guy on Mars uh so popular mechanic
01:16:45 says the is a famous quote the moon does
01:16:47 ring like a bell seismic events last
01:16:50 longer on Earth however they say that
01:16:52 doesn’t mean it’s Hollow right but
01:16:54 there’s something about its density that
01:16:56 the the scientific equations it doesn’t
01:16:58 make sense that it’s so far less dense
01:16:59 based on its mass or it has less mass of
01:17:01 what its size is um and one of the
01:17:03 things that’s been suggested in that it
01:17:05 being a hollow out planetoid is that it
01:17:06 was the ark it was brought over here and
01:17:08 that um the reason why it’s so you know
01:17:11 it glows so much with the reflection of
01:17:13 the sun is that that’s metallic dust
01:17:15 that’s that’s that’s it’s definitely
01:17:17 metallic dust the movie moonfall
01:17:18 basically is that the Moon is a giant
01:17:20 space station Arc to predictive progam I
01:17:24 just talked about this in in my show
01:17:26 this morning so they’ve known that the
01:17:28 dust on the moon is wildly electrostatic
01:17:31 but they’re now discovering it likely
01:17:33 has magnetic anomalies
01:17:36 and you’re talking about Metal oh maybe
01:17:39 it’s when the sun ejaculates all that
01:17:41 metal dust I’m sorry what ejects ejects
01:17:44 is the right word when it when it just
01:17:46 blasts out big every 12,000 years when
01:17:50 it has these solar what do you call them
01:17:51 minor ejections or something microv
01:17:53 microvas that the dust is being
01:17:55 magnetically suuck onto the moon because
01:17:57 the Moon is magnetic coronal mass
01:17:59 ejaculation yeah Mass ejaculation and I
01:18:01 think the the inside the inners of the
01:18:03 moon is a web of ma of matter that it’s
01:18:06 not Hollow like empty it’s just like web
01:18:09 Cavern because what happened probably is
01:18:11 that it was when another planet Thea
01:18:13 theoretically hit Earth and then came
01:18:15 out the other side you know four billion
01:18:17 years ago and there was just this
01:18:18 floating ball of magma cooled down into
01:18:21 our
01:18:21 moon physics of that have been disputed
01:18:24 and you should look at real quick I
01:18:25 don’t me to cut you off uh just to put
01:18:27 this out Bring up uh pictures of the
01:18:28 craters on the moon on how wide they are
01:18:31 in uh comparison to how their depth it’s
01:18:34 something weird they’re like hundreds of
01:18:35 miles wide and only a few miles deep
01:18:37 while you do that you going to say sorry
01:18:40 what uh you take a look at the Earth’s
01:18:42 magnetic field and people talk about
01:18:44 Sci-Fi movies and spaceships and uh uh
01:18:48 they we always imagine that a a colony
01:18:50 ship headed from Earth to like Alpha
01:18:52 centuri is this like oblong device and
01:18:54 it’s got like a rotating thing on it why
01:18:56 would we just build a sphere we should
01:18:58 and then if you had a sphere and you
01:19:00 wanted to create a shield so in movies
01:19:03 how about um in Whata call it in
01:19:05 passengers have you guys seen that one
01:19:06 yeah decent a space debris hits the ship
01:19:10 and causes all these problems okay well
01:19:12 why not create a magnetic force field a
01:19:14 a strong magnetic field that would
01:19:16 deflect particles as you travel through
01:19:18 space right in which case your spaceship
01:19:20 would be a sphere with a magne core
01:19:23 spinning to generate a force you could
01:19:25 also have another sphere around you
01:19:27 rotating that’s sucking the debris onto
01:19:29 it like the Moon is sucking the debris
01:19:31 onto it apparently it’s kind of a
01:19:33 deflector yeah that just reminded me I
01:19:35 saw article the other day about a black
01:19:37 glass ball floating near California
01:19:39 Airfield seconds before suddenly
01:19:40 disappearing you guys see that how based
01:19:42 would it be if like the moon was the
01:19:45 space station Arc that ancient Advanced
01:19:47 humans came to Earth and terraformed it
01:19:50 and uh uh were seeding life Precambrian
01:19:52 EXP expion all that stuff but due to
01:19:54 some kind of political conflict or
01:19:56 catastrophe humans lost the means to F
01:20:00 themselves back to the spaceship and
01:20:02 they were like we need to get back up
01:20:04 there and and get our gear Scientology
01:20:07 the ancient Democrats destroyed it like
01:20:09 they do
01:20:10 everything I got to go back to what we
01:20:12 were just talking about about the the
01:20:14 these block these tons thousand you get
01:20:17 locked out of your car and you’re
01:20:19 sitting there staying how about this
01:20:20 Tesla’s a great example there’s a funny
01:20:22 story a lot of these where a guy’s phone
01:20:24 died can’t get in his car and he’s like
01:20:26 I could charge my phone in my car if I
01:20:28 could just get inside but my phone is
01:20:30 dead and don’t have my key on me so he’s
01:20:31 sitting there like what do I do you got
01:20:33 to go charge your phone so you get a
01:20:34 bunch of these ancient Advanced humans
01:20:36 they are coming down for a mission to
01:20:38 Earth the guy who’s there’s very few of
01:20:41 them something happens shutting down the
01:20:43 space station the humans left on Earth
01:20:44 are like our ship is disabled we can’t
01:20:47 get back to the station what do we do
01:20:49 and then sure enough the stories are
01:20:50 long lost humans eventually make their
01:20:52 way back to the moon and then once they
01:20:54 land they’re like holy crap now imagine
01:20:56 this if and this is wild conspiracy
01:21:00 sciencey nonsense imagine the United
01:21:02 States no one knows this the stories are
01:21:04 long lost to history they land on the
01:21:06 moon and they’re like uh boss this is a
01:21:09 massively Advanced space station to
01:21:12 accommodate human biology we can’t
01:21:15 understand any of the language but uh yo
01:21:17 this is a spaceship they would they
01:21:19 would be like it’s ours the US
01:21:21 government would be like it’s ours US
01:21:23 unless they made a doesn’t is there that
01:21:24 theory that Eisenhower made the pack
01:21:26 with the aliens to what I’m saying no no
01:21:28 I’m saying there’s no aliens I’m saying
01:21:30 it’s us humans colonize Earth they have
01:21:34 this big space station imagine there’s
01:21:36 thousands how cool would this be the
01:21:37 Galactic Federation is just humans
01:21:39 there’s thousands of planets ter that
01:21:40 have been terraformed and colonized by
01:21:42 humans this one we are on we got locked
01:21:45 out of our car yep thousands upon
01:21:48 thousands of generations later we just
01:21:49 totally lost access to this technology
01:21:51 finally we we we civilization rebuilt to
01:21:54 the point to where we can get to the
01:21:55 moon Americans land there and then
01:21:57 they’re like guys holy crap what’s wild
01:22:01 about this is it said that you know God
01:22:02 cast The Devil Out of Heaven you know
01:22:03 like we put us maybe we’re the devil um
01:22:05 and and then you know we the Nephilim
01:22:08 breed with the women of they came onto
01:22:09 the women of Earth and had children the
01:22:11 great Kings of own of renown the great
01:22:13 Kings of old I put that backwards but um
01:22:15 like it does kind of describe this if
01:22:17 you look at say multiple religions
01:22:18 around the world discuss beings coming
01:22:20 here and and breeding with the women and
01:22:22 with wild is that the Aboriginal
01:22:24 Aborigines in Australia as well as I
01:22:26 don’t know if it’s the hopy Indians but
01:22:27 one of the Native American tribes
01:22:28 described beings coming from within the
01:22:31 Earth so here here’s my here’s my
01:22:34 story life is on Venus the the
01:22:37 civilization on Venus is destroying the
01:22:38 planet through pollution and just bad
01:22:41 politics they create a space station to
01:22:43 come to Earth and begin terraforming it
01:22:46 they do eventually human civilization
01:22:49 it’s Advanced as wiped out and there’s
01:22:51 very few maybe only a thousand people
01:22:52 people left on the space station trying
01:22:54 to rebuild a civilization on Earth after
01:22:57 a few generations and with advanced
01:22:58 technology these people live a lot
01:23:00 longer they’re in a space station you
01:23:02 know after a few Generations one of the
01:23:04 higher ranking guys it’s military of
01:23:06 course because if if there were to be a
01:23:08 catastrophe on this planet and it was
01:23:10 going to wipe out all the major cities
01:23:12 the power structure would be
01:23:13 authoritarian and militaristic the
01:23:15 military is going to be more likely to
01:23:16 survive if you want to survive with us
01:23:17 you do as you’re told he’s the boss he’s
01:23:19 the general so you’ve got this space
01:23:21 station in military command it is the
01:23:24 decimation of humanity there are the
01:23:26 very very few left and you must do as
01:23:27 you’re told or we’ll all die like have
01:23:29 you ever seen Battlestar Galactica long
01:23:31 time ago so there’s a sh battar
01:23:34 Galactica there are 12 Colony planets
01:23:36 they invent ai ai kills everybody blows
01:23:39 everything up all that’s left of
01:23:40 humanity is a fleet of ships one of the
01:23:42 ships produces fuel and so the people
01:23:45 who are there must work 24/7 with no
01:23:47 breaks and no freedom and when they
01:23:49 Revolt they’re beaten and imprisoned and
01:23:51 the guy running the show is like if they
01:23:53 stop working we die you have no choice
01:23:55 it’s militaristic rule so anyway you
01:23:57 have this this Arc project terraforming
01:24:00 earth when eventually after a certain
01:24:01 amount of time one of the high ranking
01:24:03 guys says we need to establish civilian
01:24:05 government military government will no
01:24:07 longer function people are are who are
01:24:10 working down on Earth are starting to
01:24:11 get angry we up here have access to this
01:24:13 great technology they’re down there
01:24:15 living in squalor we have to change this
01:24:17 fight breaks out the people on Earth are
01:24:19 looking up in the sky seeing battleships
01:24:21 shooting at each other a great m in
01:24:22 heaven between one of the higher ranking
01:24:25 officers and the military leader this
01:24:28 conflict ends up separating causing an
01:24:30 enough collateral damage that those who
01:24:32 are operating the ship lose control or
01:24:34 contact of the people here on Earth who
01:24:36 tell a bunch of stories Generations
01:24:39 separate honestly something like that
01:24:42 is as believable as any other story um
01:24:46 the only part of it I would say might
01:24:48 not fit as Venus I don’t know if you
01:24:49 know how long a day is on Venus no how
01:24:52 long longer than its year it’s been slow
01:24:56 so slowly that oh that’s that’s easily
01:24:59 explainable because the ancient
01:25:01 civilization what caused the the crisis
01:25:03 was their large their their quadruple
01:25:06 hadrin collider caused a does it insert
01:25:09 sci-fi reason why the planet St does it
01:25:11 have no magnetic field cuz it’s not
01:25:13 spinning it has an induced magnetic
01:25:15 field but not an intrinsic one induced
01:25:18 so basically you mean a person put it
01:25:20 there no I’m kidding I mean so the solar
01:25:22 wind blasting the top of the atmosphere
01:25:24 induces a weak magnetic field and
01:25:27 ionosphere around the planet Venus uh
01:25:29 but it doesn’t have one that’s generated
01:25:31 by the planet or the planet’s
01:25:32 interaction with the solar electric
01:25:34 field like Earth does is that because
01:25:36 it’s
01:25:37 spinning um well you
01:25:39 know it’s a good question Mars spins
01:25:43 just fine and it doesn’t have much of an
01:25:45 intrinsic field either is it like the
01:25:48 core of the earth is made of plasma this
01:25:49 is a new Theory I’ve heard so I do think
01:25:52 there’s iron in the outer core of the
01:25:54 planet but the inside I wouldn’t be
01:25:57 surprised if it’s plasma or water and
01:25:59 then sonol luminescent plasma at the
01:26:02 center have you guys ever seen the star
01:26:03 and the jar thing where using just sound
01:26:05 frequencies you can literally create a
01:26:07 star plasma glowing inside of a jar of
01:26:10 water it’s Sono luminescence it’s the
01:26:14 most outrageous thing collapsing bubbles
01:26:17 have hot plasma core this is from
01:26:20 nature.com this is Main ex science I’m
01:26:22 talking about right here this isn’t like
01:26:24 woo woo or anything even remotely not
01:26:26 from Bob’s yeah no like there’s that
01:26:28 shrimp that punches water so it creates
01:26:30 a shock a flash yeah this is from
01:26:31 nature.com they call it a star and a jar
01:26:34 when sound waves Crush bubbles of gas in
01:26:36 a liquid energy is released in a
01:26:38 dramatic burst of heat it’s literally
01:26:40 like a a plasma star inside of water so
01:26:43 it’s basically like like a haduken yeah
01:26:46 like the shrimp the shrimp moves so fast
01:26:48 underwat it creates like a vacuum which
01:26:50 snaps and then creates a flash of light
01:26:52 that’s crazy wa so the pressure sound is
01:26:55 inducing into water is causing plasma
01:26:58 just the pressure I mean it’s it’s the
01:27:00 specific vibration so like the if you go
01:27:04 off of the specific frequency it’s not
01:27:06 going to work and it’s different based
01:27:07 on how much water you have and whether
01:27:10 there’s impurities in the water
01:27:11 something like that so I honestly think
01:27:13 that the vacuum itself is being vibrated
01:27:16 at a certain frequency that’s causing
01:27:17 light to appear like plasma like we it’s
01:27:20 causing the the vacuum to cool down into
01:27:23 light it’s so you know it vibrates it’s
01:27:25 just that right so the the single
01:27:27 greatest scientific failure that we know
01:27:30 of it’s called the vacuum catastrophe
01:27:32 you can you can Google this this one’s
01:27:34 interesting but there’s a difference
01:27:36 between how much energy how much free
01:27:38 Zero Point Energy should be in the
01:27:40 vacuum based on what we can detect and
01:27:43 what mathematics says should be there
01:27:46 and there it’s off by
01:27:49 like an order of magnitude like
01:27:53 billions and billions of orders of
01:27:55 magnitude like it it is the greatest
01:27:58 mistake the largest error in all of
01:28:00 known science it say there’s more energy
01:28:03 we’re supposed to be able to get more
01:28:04 energy out of the VAC there’s supposedly
01:28:06 trillions and trillions and trillions of
01:28:07 times more energy in every little
01:28:11 infimal speck of a vacuum than we know
01:28:15 is there but they just don’t have the
01:28:16 right frequ they haven’t figured out the
01:28:18 right frequency to unlock it or
01:28:19 something we have figured out nothing
01:28:21 we’re ants do you think ancient
01:28:22 civilizations figured out the frequency
01:28:24 to unlock that power maybe maybe I
01:28:26 really so the answer is I don’t know
01:28:28 what I think is that they did things
01:28:30 that exceed our capabilities today to
01:28:32 some extent or they may have found a
01:28:33 different way of doing things that we do
01:28:35 I don’t think there’s anything that they
01:28:36 did that we can’t do it’s just that
01:28:38 there’s some evidence that suggests that
01:28:39 they knew things were capable of things
01:28:41 that they should not have been capable
01:28:43 of based on what we were taught in
01:28:44 school and that’s basically if I had a
01:28:45 thesis that’s it it is it is a fact that
01:28:47 ancient civilizations had technology we
01:28:49 still didn’t do not have today or only
01:28:51 or are only just rediscovering one
01:28:53 example it’s really obvious that I often
01:28:54 bring up is we could not build greater
01:28:57 than eight stories because of the
01:28:58 accumulation of heat at the top of our
01:29:00 buildings because our our Architects and
01:29:02 Engineers were like here’s how you build
01:29:05 a structure you stack blocks on blocks
01:29:07 but in uh Africa there were tribes that
01:29:10 would build Huts that could be very tall
01:29:12 and would pull heat or pull cool air
01:29:14 from uh underground up and funnel the
01:29:17 heat out just through a system of of
01:29:19 like pipes basically and so they
01:29:22 theorized that they they learned how to
01:29:23 do this from anthills ant hills are
01:29:25 built there certain there certain
01:29:26 anthills where it’s really hot that as
01:29:29 the hot air rises it creates a current
01:29:31 and pulls cooler air from lower uh uh
01:29:33 from closer to the ground or underground
01:29:35 and so we invented air conditioning
01:29:38 we’re like if we build these engines
01:29:40 that compress and decompress you know
01:29:42 Freon or whatever we can pull heat and
01:29:44 remove it from the building haha now we
01:29:46 can build greater than eight stories and
01:29:47 then some dude was like if you build a
01:29:49 Channel Through the building the hot air
01:29:51 will just ride up and leave the building
01:29:52 and they went oh so now we have now we
01:29:55 have non- mechanical means to pull cold
01:29:58 air from underground up to the top of
01:29:59 the building because heat rises and it
01:30:00 pulls it up uh you know to a certain
01:30:03 degree you’ll need uh I don’t know
01:30:05 exactly how it works or whatever but I
01:30:06 was watching it was like a like a
01:30:07 science uh History Channel thing or
01:30:09 whatever on Modern structures and now
01:30:11 it’s basically just considered cost
01:30:13 cutting measures if you’re going to
01:30:14 build a skyscraper you want to make sure
01:30:15 that’s naturally pulling cooler air to
01:30:17 avoid the heat getting trapped up top
01:30:19 because it saves energy there those
01:30:21 solar up Towers use that that phenomenon
01:30:24 to actually pull cold air in through the
01:30:26 base and turn generators and then go up
01:30:28 out through the tip but this is so
01:30:30 Randall Carlson has over the last six
01:30:32 months been talking about our
01:30:34 civilization is based on explosion
01:30:36 technology but these ancients were based
01:30:37 on implosion technology and then he
01:30:40 didn’t really back it up he said it on
01:30:41 Rogan’s podcast then he went on to to
01:30:43 unveil this thunderstorm generator uh
01:30:46 Malcolm Malcolm uh Malcolm somebody has
01:30:50 developed this thunderstorm generator
01:30:51 where apparently they’re imploding
01:30:53 bubbles inside of a tank to produce
01:30:55 plasmoids have you guys heard of this
01:30:57 and is it debunked is it real what is it
01:31:00 and if you don’t know there was a guy
01:31:02 when they were trying to invent air
01:31:03 conditioning actually speaking of that
01:31:04 that they thought they could cool The
01:31:05 Atmosphere by explosions in the air
01:31:08 there was I think he had a patent for it
01:31:10 uh before they got that but I don’t know
01:31:11 about this the thunderstorm one any but
01:31:14 they’re they can’t get any more energy
01:31:16 out of it than what they put in but then
01:31:18 you’re saying that there’s energy in the
01:31:19 vacuum that’s untapped so are they
01:31:22 they’re not tapping into that that’s not
01:31:23 what they’re tapping into um they’re
01:31:25 literally just working with the physical
01:31:28 matter that we know about that’s there
01:31:31 how do we feel about particle Smashers
01:31:32 affecting what you guys are talking
01:31:33 about like the the hron all but that one
01:31:36 in particular I think they’re going to
01:31:37 blow us up they’re going to do I don’t
01:31:39 know I have you believe in like the
01:31:40 black hole fear that they were trying to
01:31:42 remember they were sued to shut it down
01:31:43 in 2007 or eight I don’t know what to
01:31:45 think if I to be completely honest I
01:31:47 just don’t know how all that works I
01:31:48 think that they’re they’re messing with
01:31:50 things that they don’t even understand
01:31:52 secr
01:31:56 univis don’t know I have a b feeling
01:31:58 what they’re not to mention what’s that
01:32:00 they have that um that V stuff what’s
01:32:02 that stuff they have in the front of the
01:32:04 it is a completely satanic operation
01:32:06 this is a Satan operation look at their
01:32:08 ceremonies it’s it’s literal satanic
01:32:11 what like oh dude it’s on YouTube you
01:32:13 could look it up you’re talking about
01:32:14 the hron yes they cultists they they
01:32:18 mean so the reaction you’re giving here
01:32:20 wasn’t that your reaction first time you
01:32:22 heard like US Government people
01:32:24 Hollywood people are Satanist like but
01:32:26 now you hear that and you’re like yeah
01:32:28 NASA was founded with Nazis like project
01:32:31 Project Paperclip yeah paperclip W Von
01:32:34 Bron vented the Saturn 5 launch vehicle
01:32:36 he straight up Nazi there pictures of
01:32:38 him next to Hitler a lot of people who
01:32:40 are listening I’m sure a lot of people
01:32:41 know about this but like those who don’t
01:32:42 there were thousands of scientists so at
01:32:44 the collapse of Nazi Germany there was
01:32:46 thousands of top level scientists who uh
01:32:49 you know the Russian government the
01:32:51 United States government they siphoned
01:32:52 them like Hey we’re not going to execute
01:32:53 these people we’re going to make them
01:32:54 work for us and they did and we went to
01:32:56 the moon allegedly because so with the
01:32:59 hron collider being occultists is that
01:33:01 because they’re into sacred geometry
01:33:03 they honestly think they can open a
01:33:05 portal for demons and been they’ve I
01:33:08 know I realize how that sounds but I
01:33:10 mean this is the same guy who’s been
01:33:12 riffing off stuff that you guys have
01:33:14 been pulling up over and over again like
01:33:16 they literally are trying to create
01:33:18 something like a spiritual it’s like a
01:33:20 giant mystery college right the schools
01:33:22 where people talk about portals bringing
01:33:23 beasts in through portals I’ve talked to
01:33:24 women this one woman in particular for
01:33:26 the first Inver world book that claimed
01:33:28 she saw a beast come through a portal uh
01:33:31 at a mystery school they called it and
01:33:33 the the collider the CERN in particular
01:33:35 is super dark wonder I mean they’ve been
01:33:37 looking for the God particle looking for
01:33:39 the God particle B in the presence of
01:33:42 the collisions people are experiencing
01:33:44 visions and they just don’t want to tell
01:33:45 anyone about it but they’re they’re I
01:33:47 think they think that they’re getting
01:33:48 information from interdimensional beings
01:33:50 while they’re high on dial to mean and I
01:33:52 think that they think they’re getting
01:33:53 the secrets of the universe
01:33:55 conspiracy or they actually are getting
01:33:57 you do a hit on Drome and you do some
01:33:59 DMT and you go stand in front of the sir
01:34:01 so hopped up it’s it’s the good stuff um
01:34:04 but honestly um this is the conspiracy I
01:34:06 mean I actually learned this from Alex
01:34:07 Jones who’s been right about just about
01:34:08 everything and and even if people
01:34:10 listening don’t believe in this stuff it
01:34:12 doesn’t matter because that’s what these
01:34:13 lunatics do believe in exactly like they
01:34:16 they were the CERN CERN was sued in 2007
01:34:18 or8 before they flipped it on for the
01:34:19 first time because they physicists who
01:34:21 believed it would create a black hole
01:34:23 that would suck the earth into it
01:34:24 because everyone agreed on both sides of
01:34:26 the lawsuit we create tiny black Hol
01:34:28 microscopic black holes by Smashing
01:34:29 particles together near the speed of
01:34:30 light but the obviously CERN won the
01:34:33 judge uh fa in their favor because they
01:34:36 said uh the microscopic black holes will
01:34:38 fall to the gravity of Earth and then
01:34:40 disappear not be a threat but then the
01:34:41 other people were like but they’re going
01:34:43 to a mass and then turn us into a sphere
01:34:45 of strangeness was the terminology they
01:34:47 used or or like actually suck us into a
01:34:48 black hole and they were talking about
01:34:50 the poles actually during that lawsuit
01:34:52 because they were saying it could turn
01:34:53 into like a I think a one pole a uni
01:34:55 poar a
01:34:57 monopole I forget what the word was but
01:35:00 I got to look at that bring up their
01:35:01 ceremony that they did in front of CERN
01:35:03 you know what I’m talking about this was
01:35:05 this is satanic like watch it like why
01:35:08 who who planned that wait is this the
01:35:09 ritual hoax it’s found footage video
01:35:11 that depicts a supposed occult ritual uh
01:35:14 you’re but apparently it’s a what
01:35:16 article are you citing Wikipedia oh yeah
01:35:18 don’t look that that proves it it’s
01:35:20 called The CERN rual
01:35:23 F no no don’t look at Wikipedia just
01:35:26 look fake Look up the video and we can
01:35:29 all think for ourselves on what they did
01:35:30 in front of CERN and Street
01:35:34 Jun the guardian mock Human Sacrifice at
01:35:37 CERN uh we all we we talked about this
01:35:39 uh uh a while ago yeah when was this
01:35:41 2016 so it wasn’t a don’t put any sound
01:35:44 on I want them putting us under a spell
01:35:46 but yeah I want to hear it dude we need
01:35:48 to know don’t look directly at the video
01:35:50 contact
01:35:53 what is itward a fake ritual killing in
01:35:56 the courtyard at Ser it’s like a molok
01:35:58 situation this is some yeah Canaanite
01:36:00 stuff man the same people the same
01:36:03 people who designed this I thought
01:36:05 suggested their humor had gone too far
01:36:09 yeah yeah we’re being funny ha hey hey
01:36:11 let’s put on some black robes later and
01:36:12 do a RIT sacri you guys want to prank
01:36:14 what are you doing tonight you you guys
01:36:16 want to prank Ian will have a mock
01:36:17 ritual sacrifice in front of his
01:36:19 bedroom I am not taking part in mock
01:36:21 to be fair like to a certain degree like
01:36:25 them doing this is a massive troll if it
01:36:27 was a troll or display itself yeah and I
01:36:31 think these people in I don’t know these
01:36:33 aren’t Swiss uh cern’s in France is that
01:36:35 right no is that the I thought right no
01:36:38 no it’s between the the border of Swiss
01:36:40 and fr the Swiss have the global bank
01:36:42 the bank for international settlements
01:36:44 they’ve got Davos like I think they are
01:36:45 on another psychedelic level where
01:36:47 they’re like transcended the three
01:36:49 dimensions we’re all talking about God
01:36:50 and spirit Realm that’s real and like
01:36:52 they’re in it they’re constantly in it
01:36:54 they have all the money they have
01:36:55 they’ve already beat the game so they’re
01:36:57 like doing all this weird extra Paras
01:37:00 psychic [ __ ] I don’t think we should be
01:37:02 playing God like that I appreciate the
01:37:04 research aspect and looking into like
01:37:06 you know things like like that but I
01:37:08 think we need to stop at a certain point
01:37:09 you do because we I think we are God and
01:37:11 we should interface with it well it
01:37:13 flows through us we are one with it
01:37:15 we’re with God Is With Us hopefully if
01:37:16 you’re lucky you know but I don’t
01:37:18 believe we are God and we shouldn’t be
01:37:19 playing God like this like they’re
01:37:20 literally saying we’re trying to find
01:37:22 the God particle you know that’s an ego
01:37:24 trip that I don’t want to have any part
01:37:26 with and I also think it’s evil the higs
01:37:28 BOS on the trying to figure out like
01:37:31 find the particle that makes the whole
01:37:32 world makes sense come on now I think we
01:37:34 got to stop at a certain point yeah I
01:37:36 don’t think there’s ever going to be a
01:37:37 silver bullet like we found it kind of
01:37:39 moment but like I do believe God is part
01:37:41 of what we are and like to understand it
01:37:43 and to interact with it is I I think the
01:37:45 most important thing that we can do as
01:37:47 humans is create larger and larger
01:37:49 colliders until we can shatter the veil
01:37:51 with high energy bursts destroying the
01:37:54 barrier between the afterlife and the
01:37:55 Living World maybe that’s what DMT does
01:37:56 it turns your brain into a collider yeah
01:37:59 and then you start at at the start of
01:38:01 your sentences I don’t know if you’re
01:38:03 messing with us or you’re being
01:38:04 completely serious it’s like I have to
01:38:06 wait until you stop talking to figure it
01:38:09 out I’m just like yeah no that sounds
01:38:11 about right uh that that like but you
01:38:13 got to admit if they actually did that I
01:38:16 know it would be bad but you know kind
01:38:17 of exciting right it would definitely be
01:38:20 exciting
01:38:22 you see like a hand like there’s like a
01:38:23 hole in SpaceTime and a hand grips the
01:38:25 side and pulls itself through and you’re
01:38:27 like I have never seen such a creature
01:38:28 in my life if they do it I hope they
01:38:30 live stream we’re talking about the
01:38:31 formation of plasma with just vibration
01:38:33 and water so that I mean that is basic
01:38:36 technology if you can vibrate so now
01:38:38 we’re talking about collisions and the
01:38:40 creation of particles
01:38:42 like I don’t see why like you’re not
01:38:44 that’s not happening in your body too
01:38:45 are we not vibrating the salt water in
01:38:47 our brain and causing I mean there’s
01:38:48 probably natural occurrences like that
01:38:50 with us and I don’t want to also say
01:38:51 that I think science is bad I think
01:38:53 science is a way of trying to understand
01:38:54 our life and that’s beautiful and and
01:38:56 connecting with God and this crazy
01:38:57 Majestic Kingdom we’re in but that in
01:39:00 particular with CERN just seems wrong
01:39:03 who are these people that are doing it
01:39:04 you know I mean if they’re going to do
01:39:06 it shouldn’t we then feel like we have
01:39:08 to do it in order to do it better arm
01:39:11 that’s just like an arms race and that’s
01:39:12 bad too but if you don’t play in the
01:39:14 arms race you lose yeah I I guess but
01:39:17 then you’re you’re we’re pissing off the
01:39:20 the Adam bomb’s fake p now so I don’t
01:39:22 know you know about that no oh there’s a
01:39:24 lot of people who think the Adam bombs
01:39:25 are fake did you see the video that so
01:39:27 what are your thoughts on that you need
01:39:28 to bring this up because it’s like you
01:39:29 know those famous videos from the’ 40s
01:39:31 when they’re testing out the atom bomb
01:39:33 and then they have it in that mock uh
01:39:34 neighborhood that they had created we
01:39:35 we’ve watched it before we’ve seen it
01:39:36 youve seen it where they the the the
01:39:39 bomb testing where they show you the
01:39:40 footage of the building blowing up and
01:39:41 there’s a car all of a sudden behind it
01:39:43 and it looks weird but and the camera
01:39:45 survive you need to bring the video up
01:39:46 if you people need to see this it’s not
01:39:48 like the camera was just sitting out
01:39:50 there the camera
01:39:51 special
01:39:52 housing personally think we do have atom
01:39:55 bombs I cuz I was going to say earlier I
01:39:56 think using atom bombs is one of the
01:39:58 reasons maybe the magnet magnetic Shield
01:40:00 is messed up you know like blasting all
01:40:03 the time that’s why I wonder if we’re
01:40:04 part of if it’s like coinci not
01:40:07 coincidence but like if we’re part of
01:40:09 the shift like right like by the things
01:40:12 we’re doing is camera didn’t even wobble
01:40:15 you think they doctored some of that
01:40:17 footage yeah but but they they the
01:40:19 camera didn’t wobble cuz it could also
01:40:21 be like very very far away no look at
01:40:24 this hold on could you just show that
01:40:25 again just so you some of the cameras
01:40:28 were incased in uh concrete and then
01:40:32 with mounds of dirt built so like it was
01:40:35 basically like dozens of feet of a ramp
01:40:37 up that the shock wave literally just
01:40:39 passed over is that how they did some of
01:40:41 them yes and other ones they had super
01:40:44 cameras like several miles away oh is
01:40:46 this what
01:40:47 they’re I mean this is what
01:40:49 1944 the idea then I was like what is
01:40:52 the argument a directed shock wave blast
01:40:54 that doesn’t affect the camera and did
01:40:57 the radiation not scramble that uh tape
01:41:00 I mean they the tape doesn’t have to be
01:41:02 there they could run cables you know
01:41:05 true I but they also say there were
01:41:06 people there that that God radiation
01:41:08 because they would line men up to watch
01:41:10 it from C distance when they landed on
01:41:12 the moon they faked a lot of the footage
01:41:14 not maybe not a lot it’s kind of a vague
01:41:16 term but that they did in Hollywood
01:41:18 build some fake footage in order to
01:41:20 propaganda
01:41:21 but that they also landed on the
01:41:24 moon he told me that the Moon is a
01:41:26 graveyard and because we’ve had
01:41:28 astronauts and cosmonauts dying on on
01:41:30 there and that NASA knew to get how to
01:41:32 get to the moon but they couldn’t film
01:41:34 it and we did go to the moon but we
01:41:35 couldn’t film it because of all the this
01:41:37 is according to Alex but he’s talked to
01:41:39 crazy people up in NASA bodies
01:41:41 everywhere you know the conspiracy so
01:41:42 who’s who you guys know the first guy in
01:41:44 space uh first guy in
01:41:46 space g right gar yeah r the the
01:41:51 conspiracy theory is that he’s not the
01:41:52 first man in space the first man in
01:41:54 space drifted off into space and we’ve
01:41:55 never heard from him again oh my god
01:41:58 there theories that when the Soviets
01:42:00 were like we’re going to get to space
01:42:03 lots of people were sent and never came
01:42:05 back until they finally succeeded With
01:42:07 Yuri I believe this because it would
01:42:09 makes sense I’m not going to share that
01:42:10 cuz it just look awful you know like the
01:42:13 idea that we went to space the first
01:42:14 time and got it right yeah now we had
01:42:16 like they had the dogs and stuff too
01:42:17 would press the buttons but uh imagine
01:42:19 the moon landing yeah I do think we went
01:42:21 to the moon because uh uh I don’t think
01:42:23 it’s actually that complicated to put
01:42:25 someone in a rocket and blast them off
01:42:26 we do satellites every day but what does
01:42:28 make sense of what Alex Jones is saying
01:42:30 the first time we landed we were like
01:42:31 hey that plan for coming back ain’t
01:42:33 working yeah we like kuer how much is it
01:42:35 Char do you charge for quick movie we we
01:42:38 send someone to the Moon because what
01:42:40 what what ends up happening is everyone
01:42:41 there are people who are like I saw the
01:42:43 the moon landing on TV no that’s a CBS
01:42:45 reenactment right and then the footage
01:42:47 the footage of the great from that’s
01:42:50 after the fact yeah and so the theory
01:42:53 would be and it makes sense we have a
01:42:56 plan we’re going to put you in this big
01:42:57 tube with a bunch of explosives under it
01:42:59 blast you off we did the math you’re
01:43:01 going to land there’s a vehicle because
01:43:03 the moon has weaker gravity we can blast
01:43:05 you off with less fuel you’ll come back
01:43:07 to earth they go you got it right first
01:43:09 thing that happens is uh Houston it’s
01:43:12 not working we’re not getting enough
01:43:14 lift uh well it’s going to take us
01:43:16 another seven eight months to get a ship
01:43:18 or you know another two or three years
01:43:19 before we can build anything you’re dead
01:43:21 yep say your prayers then the next
01:43:23 people land and they go okay we’re
01:43:25 getting ready for liftoff and oh no
01:43:27 we’re going the wrong
01:43:28 way so the idea that uh there are dead
01:43:31 people on the moon I think that makes a
01:43:34 lot of sense and we’re now burying more
01:43:37 people there now because it’s a maum
01:43:38 that orbits Earth but uh when you talk
01:43:40 about C CBS thing it always makes me
01:43:42 think of the Buzz Aldren interview on
01:43:44 Conan O’Brian when Conan tells Buzz I
01:43:46 was I remember watching the moon landing
01:43:48 and Buzz gets mad he’s like no you
01:43:49 didn’t you didn’t watch it that was not
01:43:51 you didn’t see me landing on Mo really
01:43:53 he said that yes but that buzz doesn’t
01:43:56 mean he didn’t land on the moon Buzz
01:43:57 means that you watched a CBS simulation
01:44:00 it literally says CBS simulation on the
01:44:02 bottom of the yeah this is not the
01:44:04 because no one’s on the no one’s on the
01:44:05 Sur wild people PE like I’ve had people
01:44:08 say we never landed on the moon and I
01:44:10 and then we’ll argue and they’ll go how
01:44:11 did they film it and I’m like film what
01:44:13 the moon landing you can see the video
01:44:14 of the thing L I’m like it says CBS
01:44:16 reenactment on it simulation actually
01:44:19 simulation you’re right CBS new one of
01:44:21 my favorite screenshot look at that look
01:44:24 at it
01:44:25 beautiful at the museum in Chicago I saw
01:44:28 it the only thing you need to know to
01:44:30 know that we did go to the Moon is that
01:44:31 there’s that mirror in the Sea of
01:44:33 Tranquility and you can bounce a laser
01:44:35 off that mirror oh they left it there
01:44:37 yeah they they left a mirror there
01:44:38 specifically so that we could bounce
01:44:40 lasers off of it the other thing too is
01:44:43 people like I think it was alexin I
01:44:44 don’t know who said this they were like
01:44:45 there’s aluminum foil on it you think
01:44:47 they actually use foil and I’m like I
01:44:48 think it’s gold foil and yes but that’s
01:44:50 fake no well right right for sure but
01:44:53 there there is gold foil that is used
01:44:54 gold foil is fantastic in space yeah I I
01:44:57 so I used to work for American Eagle
01:44:58 Airlines and you would people would see
01:45:01 one of the engineers taking a strip of
01:45:04 metallic tape and putting it over the
01:45:05 plane and they’d freak out like oh no
01:45:07 this is normal it is a normal thing we
01:45:09 do it is fine calm down people see like
01:45:12 there’s Alum there’s aluminum foil on it
01:45:14 it’s like no one of the things about the
01:45:15 Moon is that if you look like they have
01:45:17 satellite imagery of all those tracks
01:45:19 from they had went around on the Rovers
01:45:20 and I’m like I tell people I think that
01:45:22 we went I don’t think the conspiracy is
01:45:23 that we didn’t go I think the conspiracy
01:45:25 is when were we last there like what’s
01:45:27 China doing over on the so-called Dark
01:45:29 Side of the Moon The Far Side is the
01:45:30 more appropriate word they’re
01:45:31 collaborating with Nazis yeah that well
01:45:33 that’s that’s what I’m saying is
01:45:35 another this ties into the granite
01:45:37 statue I’ve been trying to tell you
01:45:38 about that’s what I’m wondering how did
01:45:40 they cut the the statues how did they
01:45:42 make these 100 ton or thousand ton you
01:45:44 youing you know it be really funny if
01:45:46 like the first time we went to the moon
01:45:49 and we actually saw with our our own
01:45:50 eyes the dark side the back of it is a
01:45:52 gigantic engine and like structures and
01:45:54 there’s people working and it’s a
01:45:56 spaceship yep I wouldn’t be surprised
01:45:58 and they’re like we’re going to release
01:45:59 fake images of the dark side of the moon
01:46:01 so that no one realizes there a giant
01:46:03 spaceship over Earth did you hear they
01:46:04 just pushed back the date to SpaceX 2026
01:46:07 now for moon landing getting a person on
01:46:10 there they keep kicking it back year
01:46:11 after year after year and I just I’m
01:46:13 starting to be like no cuz they’re like
01:46:15 we got to roll out more predictive
01:46:16 programming to prepare the people’s
01:46:18 brains when they when they collapse in
01:46:20 on themselves when they see what that
01:46:21 yeah it’s a spaceship or who knows what
01:46:23 these are some really interesting ideas
01:46:26 and questions something tells me the
01:46:29 sun’s going to blast this planet and the
01:46:31 poles are going to shift long before we
01:46:33 ever get any real do you think uh that
01:46:36 when that happens how does the Earth’s
01:46:38 relationship with the moon change that’s
01:46:40 a good question that that one’s tough
01:46:43 the closest thing I’ve ever heard of
01:46:44 somebody speaking on it is from Ed lead
01:46:46 scin if you don’t know who that is he’s
01:46:48 the guy who built Coral Castle in
01:46:50 Florida
01:46:50 okay um I don’t know what that is this
01:46:53 is wild you got to you got Coral Castle
01:46:55 is is like a whole another like you
01:46:56 could do an entire show on Coral Castle
01:46:59 but apparently he said that you know
01:47:02 based on his understanding of the
01:47:04 magnetism when Earth’s magnetic poles
01:47:07 flip and the the Earth flips that the
01:47:09 moon will come down to about half its
01:47:11 orbit and then go back out and
01:47:14 stabilize oh that would cause Havoc with
01:47:16 our that would cause Havoc like with our
01:47:18 title forces oh my God and oh that our
01:47:22 entire our our the tides are influenced
01:47:25 by the moon and without the Moon it
01:47:27 would be it would be Continental now I’m
01:47:30 starting to understand this Global flood
01:47:31 catastrophe a little bit better if the
01:47:33 moon came close to the Earth and then
01:47:34 pulled away you might see thousand foot
01:47:37 high title waves so I I don’t think that
01:47:40 Chan Thomas’s Adam and Eve story got
01:47:43 everything right you we’re not going to
01:47:45 have a th000 mph wind and there’s not
01:47:47 going to be 2 Mile High waves because
01:47:50 nothing would be here nothing would be
01:47:53 left um and also you know he he says he
01:47:58 thinks the waves come the same direction
01:48:00 every time well he also correctly States
01:48:04 the new pole positions in that book but
01:48:06 to get the new pole positions the way
01:48:08 you have to move the Earth the wave goes
01:48:10 the opposite direction so Chan Thomas
01:48:12 talks about the Pacific coming over the
01:48:14 Rocky Mountains that’s what happened
01:48:16 12,000 years ago waves are going the
01:48:18 opposite direction this time and so um
01:48:22 he got a couple of things wrong like
01:48:23 that but yeah between the Moon and the
01:48:26 actual tilting over of the earth it’s
01:48:27 very easy to see how you could have a
01:48:29 tsunami go from one side of a continent
01:48:31 to another very easy how do you feel
01:48:33 about everyone like the media a lot of
01:48:35 corporate press Outlets keep running
01:48:37 stories on the uh so-called uh like
01:48:40 solar flares causing an internet
01:48:41 apocalypse has a square with what you
01:48:43 guys are talking about I mean it’s it’s
01:48:45 very possible I’ve been talking about it
01:48:47 for over a decade the way they talk talk
01:48:50 about it it’s uh something
01:48:53 between something between Hollywood and
01:48:56 a
01:48:58 juvenile uh presentation of of the
01:49:01 science but I
01:49:03 mean it’s weird I can with pretty good
01:49:07 certainty explain not only what’s going
01:49:09 to happen but give us a timeline of late
01:49:11 2030s to 2040s it’s not hard to do the
01:49:14 math the sun it could blast out a solar
01:49:17 flare tomorrow that sends us back to the
01:49:19 stone age there’s there’s no predicting
01:49:23 a major solar flare there’s no should we
01:49:25 be building large underground
01:49:28 vaults something like that yeah they
01:49:31 probably are I wouldn’t be surprised
01:49:33 they replac the Cheyenne military
01:49:34 complex underneath think about think
01:49:37 think about what the elites are doing
01:49:38 all right so you guys may have heard
01:49:39 like billionaires building bunkers
01:49:41 Zuckerberg was in the news for it not
01:49:43 long ago but yeah what you don’t know is
01:49:45 Jeff
01:49:46 Bezos you know he much less famous than
01:49:49 SpaceX he’s got the blue origin launch
01:49:52 company across the street from his blue
01:49:54 origin launch facility he’s hollowing
01:49:57 out that mountain in the Sierra
01:50:00 Diablos Elon Musk has SpaceX but he also
01:50:03 owns the boring company got a brickway
01:50:05 all these all of these all of these
01:50:08 Super Rich Elites they’re they’re
01:50:11 finding a way to go underground I I was
01:50:13 looking at Coral Castle that you
01:50:15 mentioned earlier this is and it’s good
01:50:17 to go deep this guy it’s this giant
01:50:18 place with all these huge rocks and
01:50:21 stones that were moved and people like
01:50:23 how the hell did you move these things
01:50:24 and apparently he used according to him
01:50:26 I think sound vibration to is that what
01:50:27 he says his story is or is that he never
01:50:29 he never really gives away a lot of his
01:50:31 his Secrets he died with the secrets
01:50:33 this is one reason why like I don’t give
01:50:34 him much time a day is because I’m like
01:50:36 you just kept the secret so like did you
01:50:38 because a lot of people say that he
01:50:39 secretly just used modern equipment and
01:50:41 faked it so I I so that’s one of those
01:50:43 things I’m like well I don’t know if he
01:50:44 had shared something at the end left
01:50:46 something in his will or something to
01:50:47 explain it I’d be far more drawn in
01:50:50 nobody knows where his black box went
01:50:51 that’s the one thing that what what
01:50:54 black box so the only thing like he
01:50:57 allowed us a few pictures to be taken of
01:50:59 this giant apparatus where he would
01:51:02 apparently be able to lift the blocks
01:51:03 and there was this what looked like a
01:51:05 black metal toolbx up at the top of it
01:51:08 and they they looked and they looked
01:51:11 after he died and they never found this
01:51:13 black box but an every single important
01:51:15 photo he allowed to be taken you can see
01:51:17 that black box in the background it’s an
01:51:20 every single photo and a lot of the
01:51:22 people think that the government came
01:51:23 and took the Box what what was in it
01:51:25 what do nobody knows and he didn’t tell
01:51:28 anybody interesting yeah it’s like the
01:51:31 government went and took Tesla’s stuff
01:51:32 after it was actually uh Trump’s Uncle
01:51:34 which is why I say Trump traveler that’s
01:51:37 also fact bar science yeah well people
01:51:40 listening uh so when Nicola Tesla died
01:51:42 he had like something like 47 trunk
01:51:43 loads of of documents and there’s two
01:51:47 things that happened there one the a day
01:51:49 later is when Trump’s Uncle who is a
01:51:51 prestigious Professor uh said that there
01:51:53 was nothing of consequence in there it’s
01:51:55 like okay well it’s physically
01:51:56 impossible to go through 47 trunk loads
01:51:58 of paperwork in a day and on top of it
01:52:01 the FBI had long said they had no um
01:52:05 they did not have Tesla’s files and in
01:52:07 2015 it was Declassified that they had
01:52:10 taken what was called micro film it was
01:52:12 like a primitive form of video you know
01:52:13 of taken a video where essentially it’s
01:52:15 picture picture picture picture of all
01:52:16 the documents um and so they had denied
01:52:18 ever having any of his documents but
01:52:20 they lied through a mission and that
01:52:22 they had photographed all the documents
01:52:25 they took pictures of them like we don’t
01:52:26 have the documents okay true I just have
01:52:28 pictures of the documents they lied and
01:52:29 this was proven and they had lied about
01:52:31 this for 70 years before it was
01:52:32 Declassified in 2015 that they indeed
01:52:34 did Martin bought those and they’re
01:52:37 building stuff in secret using Tesla’s
01:52:39 technology what if
01:52:41 uh the moons of space station what if
01:52:45 the US government found it what if the
01:52:47 group that found it formed a breakaway
01:52:48 group and is now separated the
01:52:49 themselves entirely from everyone else
01:52:51 and is using what they’ve discovered
01:52:52 against us it’s like The Truman Show
01:52:55 well more than that I mean it’s like
01:52:57 humans discover this ancient technology
01:52:59 of that humans had created that had long
01:53:00 been lost become demigods relative to
01:53:03 other humans and now are asserting full
01:53:05 authority over we uh experience like an
01:53:08 existential Renaissance right and people
01:53:10 there’s if we won if we won but even
01:53:12 just experiencing that that being the
01:53:14 truth I think it was Emil Durk we talked
01:53:15 about anomy you know about that theory
01:53:17 we like if you’re presented with proof
01:53:19 that there evidence that this proves
01:53:21 you’re God people can either double down
01:53:23 on that belief or accept it and move on
01:53:25 with the new information so we’ll see
01:53:26 that happen you know people will double
01:53:27 down and be like and lie even though the
01:53:30 truth is right before their very eyes or
01:53:32 they’ll accept it and move on and I
01:53:34 think we’re going to experience some
01:53:35 type of existential break there’s a
01:53:37 episode of Star Trek the Next Generation
01:53:39 where there’s a lot of episodes of Star
01:53:41 Trek the Next Generation Actually I
01:53:42 don’t even need to site any single one
01:53:44 of them but imagine there’s like I
01:53:46 mentioned this a moment ago imagine
01:53:48 humans are an intergalactic
01:53:50 civilization uh with trillions of people
01:53:54 living on various planets with different
01:53:55 time dilation it’s just all crazy and we
01:53:58 are but a failed Colony a colony ship
01:54:01 sailed ashore crashed sank and the
01:54:03 humans got off and said we’re tra
01:54:05 imagine you know we’re like we’re stuck
01:54:06 on this desolate island with no
01:54:08 technology we have to start rebuilding
01:54:10 and you know
01:54:12 eventually the the the the civiliz like
01:54:15 imagine a group of people sailed off of
01:54:17 the shores of England in you know 1700s
01:54:19 crash landed on an island had no way of
01:54:21 communicating no one knew where they
01:54:23 were they had lost in a storm and here
01:54:24 they are sitting there on this island
01:54:25 like we’ll just have to make do actually
01:54:27 there’s a good example I can give there
01:54:28 is a uh in China there are people who
01:54:32 have Roman DNA they mixed race and it’s
01:54:34 believed that a Roman legion that had
01:54:36 traveled and eventually lost the ability
01:54:40 to return for whatever reason settled
01:54:41 down married locals and now this patch
01:54:44 of DNA is there so they’re a lost you
01:54:46 know civilization it would be fun to
01:54:49 think
01:54:50 well you know sorry go ahead I was just
01:54:51 say a thought I have quite often is if
01:54:54 civilization is completely wiped out and
01:54:56 and then someone or something comes and
01:54:57 finds US way later they’re going to find
01:55:00 that we were smashing particles
01:55:02 underground that’ll be left over the
01:55:04 skeleton of ser will be there they’re
01:55:05 going to see that we turn this moon rock
01:55:08 into a or into a graveyard and then
01:55:10 they’re going to be like but they did
01:55:11 shoot into deep space their dead
01:55:13 president’s DNA and this Voyager golden
01:55:16 records which are really good if you
01:55:17 want to listen to them the the uh
01:55:19 Horizon video game series have you guys
01:55:20 played it m zero Dawn and forbidden West
01:55:23 uh basically long story short humans
01:55:26 create AI the ai ai military tools
01:55:28 self-replicate wipe out the planet
01:55:30 destroy all biomass so there’s two
01:55:32 factions one faction creates underground
01:55:34 ret terraforming systems after the AI is
01:55:37 it shuts down uh uh long story short the
01:55:40 terraforming machines begin repopulating
01:55:43 the Earth cloning humans releasing the
01:55:44 Clones the Clones are trained are taught
01:55:46 by AI system failure for a variety of
01:55:48 reasons the education system Apollo is
01:55:51 purged because uh a wealthy Zealot
01:55:54 thinks that humans should be reborn but
01:55:56 not with the knowledge of their
01:55:57 ancestors because humans screwed the
01:55:58 planet up the other faction builds the
01:56:00 Zenith project goes off into outer space
01:56:02 retaining all the knowledge and
01:56:04 Technology of humanity and its
01:56:05 advancements and advancing even further
01:56:07 in the new game the Zenith project or
01:56:10 Colony whatever comes back to Earth and
01:56:13 they know everything about everything
01:56:14 they’re basic they’re biologically
01:56:15 Immortal they have force fields they can
01:56:17 levitate but all the people on Earth who
01:56:19 are born are completely ignorant believe
01:56:21 in Sun gods and are tribal and have
01:56:23 Spears and shields you know it’s so
01:56:25 weird Tim to go along with that in your
01:56:26 prior point about us being like a
01:56:28 Shipwrecked civilization that’s Galactic
01:56:29 and there’s trillions of
01:56:31 humans human beings do not assimilate on
01:56:34 this planet at all if you look at all
01:56:35 the other animals it it’s seamless death
01:56:37 and rebirth and yet if you look at our
01:56:39 cities from like a satellite picture it
01:56:41 looks like a cancer spot we we need
01:56:43 tennis shoes I can’t stand in the Sun
01:56:44 for 30 minutes without getting torched
01:56:46 like it’s weird not just that we’re
01:56:47 talking about how with the pole shift
01:56:49 birds are being affected elephants are
01:56:51 going on migrations and humans are like
01:56:53 what’s happening as if we not a part of
01:56:55 the same cycle as the rest of animal I
01:56:56 can’t find my way anywhere I don’t think
01:56:58 we can we’re we’re not defining this yet
01:57:01 like you know that’s what you’re talking
01:57:02 about is in mainstream sources and
01:57:04 people I think understand on a gut level
01:57:05 a lot of people do at least that we’ve
01:57:06 lost our minds as a civilization and
01:57:09 individually uh and it’s just hard for
01:57:11 people to come to terms with it that’s
01:57:12 why you got to vibrate yourself you’re
01:57:15 going to either going to be vibrated or
01:57:16 you’re going to vibrate yourself man
01:57:18 telling you vibrate at 432 Hertz it is
01:57:21 resettling it is like you are gaining
01:57:24 all right so stability psychologically
01:57:27 Ian’s vote is we bust out our personal
01:57:30 vibrators while the sun ejaculates on us
01:57:33 and hold the line
01:57:35 and yeah I I really like this idea of of
01:57:39 where this Lost Colony or this failed
01:57:41 Colony yeah it feels that way I like
01:57:43 yeah it it sounds I don’t buy it I no I
01:57:47 think it’s more likely that we’ve
01:57:48 evolved over time by eating mushrooms
01:57:50 and inbreeding as a species that could
01:57:52 still Theory could be both I mean maybe
01:57:55 but I’ve seen no evidence that humans
01:57:57 were able to develop rocketry before 100
01:58:00 years ago unless they flew away with it
01:58:02 they dropped for so out of Africa Theory
01:58:04 right that humans evolved Out of Africa
01:58:07 and then moved around but now that’s
01:58:08 being uh disproven it is now being
01:58:11 disbelieved because they’re finding
01:58:12 human remnants in other parts of the
01:58:14 planet human Colony ship comes from the
01:58:17 Galactic Federation comes to Earth and
01:58:19 what do they do they say okay we’re
01:58:20 going to dispatch 12 teams we need a
01:58:22 team here in this region for the oil we
01:58:23 need the region in this year for the you
01:58:25 know uh uh uranium we’re going to send
01:58:27 this team down here for gold go go go
01:58:30 these pockets of humans are dropped on
01:58:31 the planet Colony ship blows up I’m
01:58:33 keeping it super simple and then all
01:58:35 those humans are separated with no
01:58:36 vehicles no Communications and they’re
01:58:38 like what just happened our ship blew up
01:58:40 and then they start building little
01:58:41 cities and then you get humans all
01:58:43 appearing at the same time in different
01:58:44 parts all the world if we weren’t so
01:58:45 genetically similar to bananas I might
01:58:48 agreee but like we’re so our genetics on
01:58:50 Earth are all so tied that I feel like
01:58:52 we’re all just part of this organism but
01:58:53 what if it was all spores that were
01:58:55 dropped here from wherever we that I
01:58:57 believe I believe that it all comes from
01:58:58 panspermia the spores just being ejected
01:59:02 we’ll say across the Galaxy because the
01:59:04 way spores work is they’ll Orient
01:59:05 towards light uh they’ll turn and then
01:59:08 kind of and then they’ll start to spin
01:59:10 create this gyration and then momentum
01:59:12 and they’ll just move through deep space
01:59:14 they can exist in deep space spores can
01:59:16 yeah so we could be hybrids my friend
01:59:18 they could be all the above when again
01:59:19 going back to the religious text saying
01:59:20 that beings came here and Brad with the
01:59:21 women maybe we just it’s all the above I
01:59:23 feel like animal is like spores that ate
01:59:25 other spores whereas spores that ate
01:59:28 plant life became fungus right can I ask
01:59:31 you guys
01:59:32 like I believe something we don’t
01:59:35 understand our timeline like you know
01:59:36 you guys are sharing a different
01:59:37 timeline of human history right and in
01:59:40 the future and but we’re seeing it in
01:59:42 mainstream sources do you think that
01:59:43 there’s like a overall conspiracy
01:59:45 against keeping that knowledge secret or
01:59:47 people trying to uh like manufacture
01:59:50 that to keep control over us like what
01:59:52 what do you think about that if it’s
01:59:53 happening it’s happening at very high
01:59:54 level I don’t think for a second that
01:59:56 various College professors are in on it
01:59:57 I don’t think that mainstream
01:59:58 Archaeology is lying and hiding some
02:00:00 conspiracy it is possible that something
02:00:02 has been found decades ago and has been
02:00:04 classified by the intelligence agencies
02:00:06 that improve some sort of sophisticated
02:00:08 lost ancient civilization technology and
02:00:10 we’re just not aware of it um what I
02:00:12 know is that what we were taught in
02:00:13 school absolutely does not make sense
02:00:15 and it’s very it’s debunk it’s been
02:00:17 debunked and the Mystery is real and
02:00:19 it’s like that about everything like
02:00:20 even down to the Civil War you know and
02:00:22 like the complexities of the Civil War
02:00:23 and stuff like that like stuff that
02:00:25 really not that long ago and we see them
02:00:27 lie to us day to day so why what makes
02:00:29 you think they can get away with
02:00:30 thousands of years ago hundreds of years
02:00:32 ago yesterday you know so yeah I I agree
02:00:34 I just It’s Curious Ben what is your
02:00:36 like um main resources that you when you
02:00:38 study and learn about solar weather what
02:00:41 are your top like
02:00:43 go-tos for research every single
02:00:46 satellite the top 250 scientific
02:00:49 journals in the world um satellite you
02:00:52 like look at Satellite data satellite
02:00:54 data some groundbased Telemetry stuff
02:00:57 but I would say real time data and then
02:01:02 you’d be amazed at how many journals I
02:01:04 read I’m very happy that I took that I
02:01:07 learned how to speedread many years ago
02:01:10 and I have a mild form of hyperthymesia
02:01:12 what’s that so the severe form of
02:01:14 hyperthymesia is when someone’s like oh
02:01:17 27 years ago I was in second grade and
02:01:19 it was a Tuesday it was February 17th I
02:01:21 was reading this book and on page 17 the
02:01:24 fifth word in the sixth paragraph Was
02:01:26 this like they literally can remember
02:01:27 everything that’s severe hyperthymesia
02:01:29 it’s like photographic memory I have the
02:01:31 minor version of that which means if I’m
02:01:33 focused on something or something makes
02:01:34 an impression on me it is like a
02:01:36 photographic memory that’s instantly
02:01:38 recallable do do you trust those
02:01:40 journals like what’s your trust like
02:01:41 with those types of scientific journals
02:01:43 I’m also pretty darn good at math I try
02:01:45 to peer the ones that are I pick out as
02:01:47 being important uh I’ll do my best to
02:01:49 peer review them I also know at this
02:01:52 point which professors which departments
02:01:55 at which universities I trust more um
02:01:59 how do you earn their how do they earn
02:02:00 your trust um you know I I go through
02:02:03 and I do it and I I take a look at what
02:02:05 grants they’re getting yeah um uh most
02:02:09 importantly however I don’t always go
02:02:12 with the conclusions of a paper I go
02:02:15 with the observations and the data and
02:02:17 then I ignore whatever their hypothesis
02:02:20 is about that’s interesting what could
02:02:22 we fund that is needed in this area of
02:02:26 research there’s really not much you
02:02:28 could do except prepare for what’s
02:02:30 coming so we have what do you think a
02:02:32 couple years you’re saying 2030s well so
02:02:34 I mean that that’s the rough part I
02:02:35 don’t know when the humans in charge of
02:02:37 this planet are going to really screw
02:02:38 things up for us um well in China they
02:02:41 just created a a new coron virus with
02:02:44 100% kill rate beautiful they they’ve
02:02:46 had those studies with covid-19 as well
02:02:48 though so you know we’ll see but the
02:02:50 stuff that we’ve been talking about we
02:02:53 probably have at least a decade but I
02:02:55 mean at least all right uh I’m going to
02:02:59 spend the next 10 years at the casino
02:03:00 thanks for hanging out let’s start
02:03:02 digging a hole I want to get under I
02:03:03 want to get underground
02:03:05 bunker you can um fire a a ring of water
02:03:09 around the earth orbital ring and then
02:03:11 fire electrical current through it and
02:03:13 create a a paramagnetic field that could
02:03:16 deflect solar dust
02:03:19 and meanwhile there’s Bill Gates trying
02:03:21 to put solar dust or Dust In The Sky to
02:03:23 dim the
02:03:24 sun this may need to happen it may it
02:03:28 may be a necessary part of this planet
02:03:31 our biology our development for all we
02:03:33 know this planet’s a nursery in what way
02:03:36 what do you mean for all we know that
02:03:39 for all we know we’re we have to prove
02:03:41 ourselves we have to we have to be able
02:03:44 to survive we have to prove our
02:03:45 intelligence and then within the time
02:03:48 span of one of these Cycles we have to
02:03:50 get off the planet and get somewhere
02:03:52 else like that’s our test and we’re
02:03:54 basically stuck here we’re not going to
02:03:55 be completely wiped out haven’t been
02:03:57 wiped out yet but we’re going to be
02:03:59 reset this is a component of the Star
02:04:02 Trek uh storyline that uh there have
02:04:05 been instances in the story Prime you
02:04:06 guys know the prime directive are you
02:04:08 familiar with St Trek yeah to a degree
02:04:10 can’t you can’t make cont you can’t make
02:04:12 there’s there’s a lot of things but you
02:04:13 you don’t interfere with the society’s
02:04:14 natural development first Contact only
02:04:16 occurs if the planet develops warp
02:04:17 technology and the only for that is
02:04:19 because once they develop faster than
02:04:21 light travel you are now going to start
02:04:22 interacting with them in the galactic
02:04:24 scale so there there are instances and
02:04:26 this is the premise of um the beginning
02:04:29 of one of the Star Trek Kelvin timeline
02:04:30 movies the recent ones these are the new
02:04:32 ones where there is an intelligent
02:04:35 species but they’re primitive and their
02:04:37 planet is about to be destroyed and so
02:04:39 the Enterprise decides to intervene
02:04:42 stopping the destruction of the planet
02:04:44 and the uh the Federation is like no let
02:04:47 them die and that’s a crazy concept that
02:04:50 there is a humanoid species of
02:04:51 intelligent life forms but they have not
02:04:53 yet developed the technology but their
02:04:55 planet’s going to be destroyed and so it
02:04:57 should be it’s kind of it’s kind of
02:04:59 crazy that there could be aliens
02:05:02 watching everything happening on Earth
02:05:04 saying if they die they deserve it yeah
02:05:08 we do need to proliferate off the plan
02:05:09 you saw little bird I did see that bird
02:05:11 try to come in here it’s a drone it may
02:05:13 be wonder if birds are not real yeah so
02:05:15 there’s there’s a little bird that tries
02:05:16 to live in this room because the
02:05:18 window’s open and it’s snowing and he’s
02:05:19 like then he sees us like oh I’m out he
02:05:21 just put on a pair of headphones
02:05:23 enjoying the talk but yeah I think I
02:05:25 think if aliens do exist I think it’s
02:05:28 very likely their their mentality is if
02:05:31 you can survive this you deserve to and
02:05:34 if you can’t you don’t because we don’t
02:05:36 want to induct a species of morons that
02:05:39 would burn themselves to Oblivion we
02:05:41 don’t want those those people joining
02:05:42 our ranks in a way it’s kind of Old
02:05:44 Testament God level looking at like you
02:05:47 know Babylon or Canaan you know saying
02:05:49 these people let I’m going to destroy
02:05:50 them CU they can’t survive here yeah
02:05:52 that’s that’s an interesting philosophy
02:05:53 to think that if we’re still going to
02:05:55 fight then we deserve to be wiped out as
02:05:57 a species CU we don’t want to
02:05:58 proliferate fighting it’s not even it’s
02:06:00 not even fighting it’s if we’re going to
02:06:01 set ourselves on fire right so if you
02:06:05 know downstairs in the skat Park we have
02:06:06 a six foot halfpipe I saw it and uh I
02:06:09 call the top of it the VIP section
02:06:11 you’re VIP if you can get up there right
02:06:13 that’s it the only qualification and
02:06:15 it’s it’s mostly a joke it’s very easy
02:06:17 to get up because there’s actually a
02:06:18 halfway point but the IDE general idea
02:06:20 is do you want to invite someone in your
02:06:22 house who’s playing with matches no no
02:06:24 you don’t so you know if you’re building
02:06:27 a big city and you want only the best of
02:06:29 the best of the best you want barriers
02:06:31 to keep out the people who would be
02:06:32 destructive funny thing now is the V
02:06:34 administration’s got an open border
02:06:35 Southern border but that’s a whole other
02:06:36 story y the galactic federation’s
02:06:38 basically like we’d love to uh they have
02:06:40 they they they they you know an emissary
02:06:41 from earth goes and meets with them and
02:06:42 they say look we really want to be a
02:06:43 part of this Federation the technology
02:06:45 can make everyone’s lives better and
02:06:46 they say oh we’d love to uh invite you
02:06:48 in if you can survive this period of
02:06:51 tumult and don’t blow yourselves up but
02:06:53 if you can’t do it you don’t deserve to
02:06:55 be there stories of people at like I at
02:06:58 certain battles and or at missile
02:07:00 launches and they say they claimed they
02:07:02 saw UFOs appear and that could fit in
02:07:04 with your theory a little bit being like
02:07:05 we’re going to come you know they’re
02:07:06 going to come observe these people like
02:07:08 just destroy themselves you know and
02:07:09 that goes back into ancient times
02:07:11 there’s old paintings of UFOs over
02:07:12 battles and stuff turns out the aliens
02:07:14 are all just like very LZ Fair
02:07:15 libertarian capitalists they’re like if
02:07:18 you can’t figure it out you don’t
02:07:19 deserve to be here like one you have to
02:07:23 colonize Mars and then because Martian
02:07:26 um magnetic field is not as attuned it
02:07:29 won’t get as affected by the solar by
02:07:32 the geomagnetic flips so that maybe that
02:07:34 would be a more stable platform during
02:07:37 the the these these polar shifts well we
02:07:40 would have to completely terraform that
02:07:42 plan at first and somehow stop it from
02:07:45 losing its atmosphere again yeah I hear
02:07:47 that the outer layer of the core is made
02:07:49 of like nickel and if we could somehow
02:07:52 um damp like like thin that out that it
02:07:55 would have more access to its magnetic
02:07:57 core it’s possible these are all guesses
02:08:00 and I
02:08:01 mean there’s no way to really know
02:08:04 unless you go in there if we heat it up
02:08:05 really fast and melt all that ice would
02:08:07 it cause enough steam to produce a no
02:08:09 because most of the ice there is
02:08:12 CO2 it’s co it’s frozen CO2 so uh we’re
02:08:16 we’re we’re about P time we’re wrapping
02:08:18 things up but if there’s any final
02:08:19 thoughts you wanted to add on this no I
02:08:21 I had I had a lot of fun I think that we
02:08:23 got we covered some of the most
02:08:25 important things that and you know I’m
02:08:29 all the stuff that people are worried
02:08:31 about talking about mostly on the
02:08:34 Internet it’s it’s all real and we need
02:08:36 to pay attention to it but they just
02:08:37 need to realize that if it seems like
02:08:40 the powers that be are acting recklessly
02:08:42 it’s cuz they know there will be no
02:08:43 Reckoning if it seems like they are
02:08:45 quickly now undercutting and not hiding
02:08:48 in the Shadows spending like there’s no
02:08:50 tomorrow it’s because they know on a
02:08:51 certain timeline there isn’t one and
02:08:53 they’re building underground this has
02:08:55 been going on for a long time there’s
02:08:56 Mountain bunkers built into mountains
02:08:58 where they can they can land planes yeah
02:09:00 and we have that vault in Switzerland
02:09:02 maybe where they have all the seed seed
02:09:03 Vault yeah yeah swar seed Vault yeah
02:09:06 yeah you want to shout anything out
02:09:07 final thoughts uh follow me on uh I’m on
02:09:10 Rumble I’m on YouTube Channel’s called
02:09:11 bright Insight my name is jimmmy
02:09:12 corsetti follow me on X I’m going to
02:09:14 presence there you can follow me on
02:09:15 Instagram that place is lame Zucker brur
02:09:16 is a complete Tyrant um but that’s it’s
02:09:19 been a great pleasure I think we hit a
02:09:20 lot of interesting things and thanks for
02:09:22 having me yeah did you want to shout
02:09:23 anything out I mean my YouTube channel
02:09:25 suspicious observers uh I’m on Twitter
02:09:28 as well but I prefer everybody watch the
02:09:30 YouTube channel and uh really thank you
02:09:32 guys this has been a lot of fun thanks
02:09:34 thanks for coming Shane of course you
02:09:35 been hanging out yeah so glad to be here
02:09:36 and talk to you guys uh you can find my
02:09:38 stories at scanner.com SC cnr.com and
02:09:40 we’re launching pretty soon the inverta
02:09:42 world live show and you guys should be
02:09:44 on that and we can get into some more of
02:09:46 the stuff I would love that this is so
02:09:47 much fun dude I it it we went for 2
02:09:50 hours at an hour and 45 I was like man
02:09:52 we just got started I’ve got like 20
02:09:54 tabs open we could have went for 5 hours
02:09:57 like really yeah we should this
02:09:59 definitely well definitely with the
02:10:00 inverted world show yeah this a great
02:10:03 combo good to see you guys Eddie and
02:10:05 crossin hit me up anywhere and we’ll
02:10:07 we’ll we’ll reconnect this has been a
02:10:09 blast also got Kellen who hasn’t said
02:10:11 much but uh shout pressing the buttons
02:10:13 it feels like I’m watching the history
02:10:15 or Science Channel over here but uh yeah
02:10:17 this was awesome for coming guys it’s
02:10:19 been a blast guys make sure to subscribe
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John St. Clair Akwei vs. NSA – lawsuit on EMF Human Surveillance, Electronic Brain Manipulation, Digital Harassment and worse things.
NSA Mission & Operations
Communications Intelligence
Signals Intelligence
Domestic Intelligence
Independently Operating Personnel Target Citizens
NSA’s Domestic Electronic Surveillance Network
Signals Intelligence Remote Computer Tampering
Detecting EMF Fields in Humans for Surveillance
NSA Signals Intelligence Use of EMF Brain Stimulatlon
Capabilities of NSA operatives using RNM
NSA Signals Intelligence Electronic Brain Link Technology
Table: An example of EMF Brain Stimulation
NSA Techniques and Resources
Remote RNM Devices
Spotters and Walk-Bys in Metropolitan Areas
Chemicals and Drugs
Intelligence/Anti-Terrorist Equipment
Resources
http://www.whale.to/b/akwei.pdf
This is extremely well put together and summarizes most of the concerns we have about what is going on.
Remote Neural Monitoring
CIA declassified document “The Gateway Experience”
They Who Own…
They who Own The Law, Own the Banks.
They who Own ^^ … Own the Corporations.
^^ … Own the Media.
^^ … Own the Governments.
^^ … Own the World.
And it is so.
A corrupted world ruled by Common Law & Contract Law. Lawyers, Bankers, Bureaucrats.
All loyal to secret societies.
The Knights Templar, The Knights of Malta. Freemasons.
Some call them the Illuminati. The Vatican. Rothschilds. Rosicrucians. Jesuits. Skull & Bones. Bilderberg. Club of Rome. Council on Foreign Relations. Trilateral Commission. etc etc etc.
They have hoarded all the gold, and systematically defrauded almost every country on Earth to bankrupt it, and institute a New World Order. They have infiltrated almost every organization and corporation by now. The UN's Agenda 2030 and World Economic Forum seek to enslave us all
They believe in Ritual Occult sacrifice, essentially Satanism, and love the use of symbolism to flaunt it in our faces.
Our current situation with the controlavirus amounts to this:
The end result is an authoritarian dystopia where they control EVERYTHING, our bodies, our thoughts & minds (this is already going on), what we can do, what we can know, whether we're allowed to eat…
In some sick backwards way, they see this as the way forward for humanity:
This is the full roadmap for their evil plan.
Red lines = anything already achieved in some form. (emphasis). The rest by 2030.
If this is the first time you are hearing about this, you are inevitably doubting me or think I'm exaggerating. You have to do your own research, I have. The corruption is so deep, we cant possibly know the full scope of it. All we need to know is it cannot be allowed to continue
The entire mainstream and legacy media is complicit.
You have to be willing to disconnect from their programming. Beyond obvious propaganda, it counts as brainwashing, literal hypnosis through speech patterns and is another occult-like spell to serve their masters. Turn it off.
With the help of the media, they push their agenda through "Problem, Reaction, Solution" tactics. Otherwise known as Hegelian Dialectics (Thesis, Synthesis, Antithesis).
This is also where cultural Marxism (cloaked as woke Liberalism) and Communism play in (or whatever ism suits)
They want us fighting each other, as stupid uneducated sheep, so we don't realize what they've done and come after them. Almost every US President was a member of a secret society and serves to enforce the illusion that we have elected leaders. They have been rigging it for years
Beyond the obvious governments and organizations, and old characters like Soros, Bill Gates seems to have gone rogue to become his own player in this sick evil game. Not even motivated by money anymore, he has a false god complex so he thinks he is helping people
(same pic sorta)
This mural is called "Freedom for Humanity":
depicting Lord Rothschild and Paul Warburg.
The others were John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, and, for some reason, the writer and mystic Aleister Crowley.
It was immediately attacked online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity
The nature of the problem means there is no political or cultural solution to it. The only way forward is individual knowledge, and we have to get there before we are censored out of existence, or worse. The deadly serious nature means genocide could be used against any dissenter
I have reason to believe actual mind control (beyond MKUltra) is Already being used on the public, not just normal social media bots & trolls and online influence operations (psyops). This is currently my most serious line of concern, and it relates to Targeted Individuals & 5G.
Again you may doubt me, but I have proof of psychotronic EMF attacks. This may explain all the public cognitive dissonance. If this is allowed, our minds are gone, free will is lost, end game, we lose!
Its very complicated, Heres a relevant video for now:
I am a tech expert. I know for a fact all our smartphones are compromised. Big-Tech is in bed with the military industrial complex, and serves its globalist deep state masters to subvert the public without being detected.
Consider your phone as a direct line to the enemy. Avoid.
It is unfortunate we let it get this bad. Warnings were not heeded. Consumerism was rampant. Lazyness dominated our culture. Take this time during lockdown to ramp up your understanding of technology, protect yourself, etc. Privacy and safe communication is vital. 🎯👀
Its not all bad. We just have to survive long enough to learn the truth and reach our collective Great Awakening. Pieces are already in motion to triumph over this incredible evil and our job is to educate ourself, since all our institutions have failed us. Learn to meditate/pray
Lets hope this is an important piece of the puzzle. Everything I've learned tells me that we need to keep the faith and have hope that people braver than me can initiate a military takedown. I have taken my oath to the constitution & await another sign from the universe on 1/30.
We are living through an incredible time, the Age of Aquarius, and the cosmos contains secrets that science has kept from us. If we succeed, (and we may already have, since time is non-linear) These are some of the results we can expect to change our lives forever.
We will be transported to a new timeline that will totally transform life on Earth as we know it. This will immediately unlock "forbidden" technology and transition us to Sci-Fi World with teleportation, anti-gravity, free energy, and super advanced healing.
Frequency & Vibration
Originally tweeted by 🇺🇸Abei V🇵🇷⭐️🗣 (@AbeiV) on January 22, 2021.
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(Since April 2020) – unsorted.
Joe Rogan Experience #1558 – Tristan Harris
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[Laughter] [Music]
chris don how are you good good to be here
good to have you here man um
you were just telling me before we went on air
the numbers of the social dilemma and theyre bonkers
so what just say that yeah uh
the social dilemma was seen by a 38 million households
in the first 28 days on netflix which i think is broken records
and if you assume you know a lot of people are seeing it with their family
because parents seeing it with their kids uh
the issues that are on teen mental health
uh so if you assume one out of ten
families saw it with a few family
members we’re in the 40 to 50 million
people range which is just broken
records i think for netflix i think it
was the second most popular documentary
throughout the month of september
or film throughout the month of
september is really well done
documentary but i think it’s one of those documentaries that affirmed a lot of people’s worst suspicions
about the dangers of social media and then on top of that
it sort of alerted them to what they were already
experiencing in their own personal life and like highlighted it
yeah i think that’s right i mean most people were
aware i think it’s a thing everyone’s been feeling that
the feeling you have when you use social
media isn’t that this thing is just a
tool or it’s on my side
it is an environment based on
manipulation as we say in the film
and that’s really what’s changed that you know
i remember you know i’ve been working on
these issues for something like eight or
eight years or something now you please
tell people who didn’t see the documentary
what your background is and what you how
you got into it yeah so i uh
that you know the film goes back as a set of technology insiders
my background was as a design ethicist at google
so i first had a startup company that we sold
to google and i landed there through a talent acquisition
and then um
started work about a year
into being at google made a presentation
that was about how essentially technology was holding
the human collective psyche in its hands
that we were really controlling the world psychology uh
because every single time people look
at their phone they are
basically experiencing thoughts and
scrolling through feeds and believing things about the world this has become the primary
meaning making machine for the world
and that we as google had a moral responsibility to uh
you know hold the collective psyche
in a thoughtful ethical way and not create
this sort of race to the bottom of the brainstem attention economy
that we now have uh
so my background was as a as a kid i was a magician we can get into that i studied at a lab at stanford called or
studied in a class called the stanford persuasive technology class that taught a lot of the engineers
at in silicon valley kind of how the
mind works and the co-founders of instagram were there and uh
then later studied behavioral
economics and how the mind is sort of
influenced i went into cults and started
studying how cults work
and then arrived at google through this
lens of you know technology isn’t really
just this thing that’s in our hands
it’s more like this manipulative
environment that is tapping into our
weaknesses everything from the slot machine rewards to you know the way you get tagged in a
photo and it sort of manipulates your
social validation and approval
these kinds of things when you were at google
did they still have the don’t be evil sign up
i don’t know if there’s actually a
physical sign was there was never a
physical sign i thought there was something
that they actually had i think it was there’s this guy
was it paul not paul what was his last
name he was the inventor one of the
vendors of gmail and they had a meeting
and they came up with this mantra
because they realized the power that
they had and they realized that
there was going to be a conflict of
interest between advertising on the search results
and regular search results and so we
know that they knew that they could have
used that power and they came up with this
mantra i think in that meeting in the
early days to don’t be don’t be evil
there was a time where they took that mantra down
and i remember reading about it online
and and they took it off their page i think
that’s what it was yeah and uh
when i read that i was like that should be big news
like there’s no reason to take that down
why would you take that down
yeah why would you why would you say
well let me give you a little evil
let’s not get crazy it’s a good question
i mean i wonder what logic would have you
remove a statement like that that seems
like a standard state like it’s a great statement
okay here it is google removes don’t be
evil claws from its code of conduct
in 2018 yeah yeah i wonder why
did they have an explanation did it say anything
underneath him don’t be evil has been a
part of the company’s corporate code of
conduct since 2000 when google
was reorganized under a new patent uh
parent company alphabet
in 2015 alphabet assumed a slightly adjusted version
of the do the right thing
do the right thing oh
that’s a spike lee movie BLEEPED
however google retained its original
don’t be evil language until the past several weeks
the phrase has been deeply
incorporated into google’s company culture
so much so that a version of the phrase has served
as the wi-fi password on the shuttles
that google uses to ferry
its employees to its mountain view
headquarters i think i remember that yeah
get on the bus and you type in don’t be
evil i wonder why they decided
well i mean they did change it to do the
right thing i mean we always used to say that
um just to friends not within google but
just you know instead of saying
don’t be evil just say let’s let’s do
some good here right that’s nice
let’s do some good years yeah think
positive think doing good
instead of don’t do bad yeah but the
problem is when you say do good the
question is who’s good
because you live in a morally plural society and there’s
this question of who are you to say
what’s good for people and it’s much
easier to say let’s reduce harms than it
is to say let’s actually do good like this
it says the updated version of google’s
code of conduct still retains one
reference to the company’s unofficial motto
the final line of the document is still and remember
dot dot dot don’t be evil and if you see something
that you think isn’t right speak up
okay well they still have don’t be evil
though so maybe it’s much ado about nothing but uh
having that
kind of power we were just before the
podcast we were watching jack dorsey speak to
members of the senate uh
in regards to
twitter censoring the hunter biden story
and censorship of conservatives but
allowing dictators to spread propaganda
dictators from other countries and
why and what what this is all about one of the things that
uh jack dorsey has been pretty adamant about is that
they really never saw this coming when
they started twitter yeah and they
didn’t think that they were ever going
to be in this position
where they were going to be really the
arbiters of free speech for the world
right which is essentially in some ways
what they are i think it’s important to
to roll back the clock for people
because it’s easy to think
you know that we just sort of landed
here and that they would know that
they’re going to be influencing the
global psychology but i think we should really
reverse engineer for the audience how did these products work the way that they did so like let’s
go back to the beginning days of twitter
i think his first tweet was something like
checking out the buffaloes in golden
gate park in san francisco um
you know jack was fascinated by the taxi
cab dispatch system that you could send
a message and then all the taxis get it
and the idea is could we create a dispatch system so that i post a tweet
and then suddenly all these other people can see it
and the real genius of these things
was that they weren’t just offering this
thing you could do they found ways of keeping people engaged i think this is important for people to
get that they’re not competing for your data
or for uh
you know money they’re
competing to keep people
using the product and so when twitter for example invented this persuasive feature of the number of
followers that you have
if you remember like that was a new
thing at the time right you log in and
you see your profile
here’s the people who you can follow and
then here’s the number of followers you have
that created a reason for you to come
back every day to see how many followers do i have
so that was part of this race to keep
people engaged as we talk about in the
film like these things are competing for
your attention that if you’re not paying for the product you are the product but the thing that
is the product is your predictable
behavior you’re using the product in predictable way
and i remember a conversation i had with
someone at facebook who was a friend of mine
who said in a coffee shop one day people think that
we facebook are competing with something like twitter that
one social network is competing with
another social network but really he
said our biggest competitor is youtube
because they’re not competing for social
networks they’re competing for attention
and youtube is the biggest competitor in the digital space for attention
and that was a real light bulb moment for me
because you you realize that as they’re designing these products they’re finding new clever ways to get
your attention that’s the real thing
that i think is different
in the film the social dilemma rather
than talking about you know censorship
and data and privacy in these themes
it’s really what is the core influence
or impact that the
shape of these products have on how
we’re making meaning of the world when they’re
steering our psychology do you think
that it was inevitable that someone manipulates
the way people use these things to gather more attention
and do you think that any of this could have been avoided
if there was laws against that
if instead of having these algorithms
that specifically target things that you’re interested in
or things that you click on
or things that are going to make you engage more
if they just allow these things to
if someone said listen
you can have these things
you can allow people to communicate with each other
but you can’t manipulate their attention span
yeah i mean i think the
so we’ve always had an attention economy right
and you’re competing for it right now
um and politicians compete for it can
you vote for someone you’ve never paid attention to
never heard about never heard them say
something you know outrageous no um
so there’s always been an attention economy and so it’s hard to say we should
regulate who gets attention or how but it’s
it’s organic in some ways right like
this podcast is an organic
i mean if we’re in competition it’s
organic i just put it out there and if
you watch it you don’t
or or you don’t i don’t you know i don’t
have any say over it and i’m not
manipulating it in any way
sort of so i mean let’s imagine that the
podcast apps were different
and they actually while you’re watching
they had like the hearts and the stars
and the kind of voting up in numbers and
you could like send messages back and forth and
apple podcasts worked in a way that
didn’t just reward
you know the things that you clicked
follow on it actually sort of
promoted the stuff that someone said the most outrageous thing
then you as a podcast creator have an
incentive to say the most outrageous
thing and then you arrive at the top of
the apple podcast or spot or spotify app
and and that’s the thing is that we
actually are competing for attention
it felt like it was neutral and it was relatively neutral
and to progress that story back in time with um
you know twitter competing for attention
let’s look at some other things that
they did so they also added this retweet
this instant resharing feature
right and that made it more addictive
because suddenly we’re all playing the
fame lottery right like i could retweet
your stuff and then you get a bunch of
hits and then you could go
viral and you could get a lot of
attention so then instead of
um the companies competing for attention
now each of us suddenly win the fame
lottery over and over and over again
and we’re we’re getting attention uh
and then um
i had another example i was gonna think
about and i forgot it
what was it um
you can jump if you want um
apple has an interesting way of handling
sort of uh
the way they have their algorithm
for their podcast app is
it’s secret it’s kind of it’s weird but
one of the things that it favors
is it favors new shows and it favors
uh engagement and new subscribers so
comments engagement and new shows
and that’s the same as competing for attention
because engagement must mean people like it and that’s yeah and there’s going to be
a fallacy as we go down that road but go on
well it’s interesting
because you could say if you have a podcast
and your podcast gets like let’s say a hundred thousand downloads a new podcast can come along and it can
get ten thousand downloads and it’ll be
ahead of you in the rankings
and so you could be number three and it
could be number two
and you’re like well how is that number
two and it’s got
ten times less but they don’t do it that
way and their logic
is they don’t want the podcast world to be dominated by you know
new york times the big ones yeah and whatever whatever’s number one and number two and
number three forever we actually just experienced this um
we have a podcast called urine divided
attention and since the film came out
in that first month we went from being
you know in the lower 100 or something
like that until we shot to the top
five i think we were the number one tech
podcast for a while and so we just
experienced this through the fact not
that we had the most listeners but
because the trend was so rapid that we sort of jumped uh
to the top
i think it’s wise that they do that
because eventually it evens out over time you know you see
some people rocking to the top like oh
my god we’re number three
and you’re like hang on there fella just
give it a couple of weeks and then
three weeks later four weeks later now
they’re number 48 and they they get depressed
right well that was really where you
should have been but
the thing that apple does that i
really like in that is it gives
an opportunity for these new shows to be seen
and where they might have gotten just stuck
because these these rankings and the ratings for a lot of these shows
these shows are so consistent and they
have such a following already yeah it’s very difficult
for these new shows to gather attention right and
the problem was that there were some
people that game the system
and there was companies that could
literally like earl skakel
remember earl became the number one podcast and like no one was listening to it earl has money
and he he hired some people to game the system
and he was kind of like open about it
and and laughing about now isn’t he banned from
itunes now or something i think he got banned
because of that
because it was so
obvious he game the system he had like a
thousand downloads and he was number one
i mean the thing is it were apple
podcasts you can think of as like the
federal reserve or the government of the attention economy
because they’re
setting the rules by which
you win right they could have set the
rules as you said to be uh
you know who has the most listeners and
then you just keep rewarding the kings
that already exist versus who is the
most trending there’s actually a story
a friend of mine told me i don’t know if
it’s true although it was a fairly
credible source who said he was a meeting
with steve jobs when they were making
the first podcast app
and that they had uh
made a demo of something where you could see all the
things your friends were listening to so
just like making a news feed like we do
with facebook and twitter right
um and then he said was well why would we do that if something is important enough your
friend will actually just send you a
link and say you should
listen to this like why would we
automatically just promote random things
that your friends are listening to and
again this is kind of how you get back
to social media how is social media so successful
because it’s so it’s much more addictive to see what
your friends are doing in a feed but it
doesn’t reward what’s true or what’s meaningful and this and this is the thing that
people need to get about social media is
it’s it’s really just rewarding the things
that tend to keep people back
addictively the business model is addiction
in this race to the bottom of the brain
stem for attention well it seems like
if we in hindsight find size 20 20 what
what should have been done or what could have
been done had we known
where this would pile out is that they
could have said you can’t do that you
can’t manipulate these algorithms to make sure
that people pay more attention
and manipulate them to ensure that people become deeply addicted to these platforms what
you can do is just let them openly communicate
right but it has to be organic
and then the problem is so if this is
the thing i was going to say about twitter
is when one company does the
call it the engagement feed meaning
showing you the things that the most
people are clicking on
and retweeting trending things like that
let’s imagine there’s two feeds so
there’s the feed
that’s called the reverse chronological
feed meaning showing in order in time
you know joe rogan posted this two hours
ago but that’s you know
after that you have the thing that
people posted an hour and a half ago all the way up to
10 seconds ago that’s the reverse chronological um
they have a mode like that on twitter if
you click the sparkle icon i don’t know if you know this
it’ll show you just in time here’s what
people said you know sorted by recency
but then they have this other feat
called what people click on retweet et
cetera the most the people you follow
and it sorts it by what it thinks you’ll
click on and want the most
which one of those is more successful at
getting your attention the sort of
recency what they posted recently versus
what they know people are clicking on
retweeting on the most certainly what
they know people are clicking on retweeting the
most correct and so once twitter does that
let’s say facebook was sitting there
with the recency feed like just showing
you here’s the people who posted
in this time order sequence they have to also
switch to who is like the most relevant stuff
right the most clicked retweeted the
most so this is part of this race for
attention that once one actor does something like that and they algorithmically you know figure
out what people what’s most popular
the other companies have to follow
because otherwise they won’t get the
attention so it’s the same thing if
you know netflix adds the autoplay 54321
countdown to get people to watch the next
episode that if that works at say
increasing netflix’s watch time by five percent
youtube sits there says we just shrunk
how much time people were watching youtube
because now they’re watching
more netflix so we’re gonna add
54321 autoplay countdown and it becomes
again this game theoretic race of who’s
going to do more now
if you open up tik-tok tik-tok doesn’t even wait
i don’t know if you know if
your kids use tik-tok but when you
open up the app it doesn’t even
wait for you to click on something it
just actually plays the first video the second you open it
which none of the other apps do right
and the point of that is that causes you
to enter into this engagement stream
even faster so this is this again this
race for attention produces
things that are not good for society and
even if you took the whack-a-mole
sticker you took the anti-trust case and you
whack facebook and you got rid of
facebook or you whack google or you whack youtube
you’re just going to have more actors
flooding in doing the same thing and one
other example of this is um
uh the time it takes
to reach let’s say 10 million followers so
if you remember back in the ash wasn’t
ashton kutcher who raised for the first million followers race with cnn right yeah so now if you
think of it the companies are competing for our attention if they find out that each of us
becoming a celebrity and having a
million people we get to reach
if that’s the currency of the thing that
gets us to come back to get more attention then they’re competing at who can give
us that bigger fame lottery hit faster
so let’s say 2009 or 2010 when ashton kutcher did that it took him i don’t know how long it
took months to for him to get
a million i don’t remember it was it was
a little bit though right
um and then tick tock comes along and
says hey we want to give kids
the ability to hit the fame lottery and
make it big hit the jackpot
even faster we want you to go from zero
to a million followers in
10 days right and so they’re competing
to make that shorter and shorter and
shorter and i know about this
because you know speaking from a silicon valley perspective
venture capitalists fund these new social platforms based on how fast they can get to like
100 million users there was this famous line that like i forgot what it was but i think
facebook took like 10 years to get to 100 million users
instagram took you know i don’t know
four years three years or something like that tiktok can get there even faster and so
it’s shortening shortening shortening
and that’s what people are are that’s
what we’re competing for it’s like who
can win the fame lottery faster
but is a world where everyone broadcasts to millions of people
without the responsibilities of publishers journalists etc does that produce an information
environment that’s helped that that’s
that’s healthy and obviously the film
the social dilemma is really about how it makes the worst of us rise to the top
right so our hate our outrage our polarization um
what we disagree about black and
white thinking more conspiracy oriented
views of the world q anon you know
facebook groups things like that
and i can we can definitely go into
there’s a lot of legitimate conspiracy
theories i want to make sure i’m not
categorically dismissing stuff um but that’s really the point is that we have
landed in a world where the things that we are paying attention to
are not necessarily the agenda of topics that we would say
in a reflective world what we would say is most important
so there’s a lot of there’s a lot of conversation about free will
and about letting people choose whatever they choo whatever they enjoy viewing and watching and paying attention to
but when you’re talking about these incredibly potent algorithms and the incredibly potent uh
addictions that people
that the people develop to these these
things and we’re pretending that people
should have the ability to just ignore
it and put it away
right and use your willpower yeah that seems i have another kids
i have a folder on my phone called addict and it’s all all caps and it’s at the end of my
all you have to scroll through all my
other apps to get to it and so if i want
to get to twitter
or instagram the problem is that the app
switcher will put it in the most recent
so once you switch apps and you have
twitter in a recent it’ll be right there
so that’s if i want to go
left and yeah if i want to see that yeah
you can’t do that
yeah it’s um
it’s insanely
addictive and uh
if you can control yourself it’s not that big a deal but how many
people can control themselves well i think the the thing we have to hone in on
is the asymmetry of power
um you know as i say in the film it’s
like we’re bringing this ancient brain
hardware the prefrontal cortex which is
like what you use to do
um goal directed action self-control
willpower holding back you know
marshmallow test don’t do
the don’t get the marshmallow now wait
later for the two marshmallows later
all of that is through our prefrontal
cortex and when you’re sitting there
and you think okay i’m gonna go watch
i’m gonna look at this one thing on facebook
because my friend invited me to
this event or it’s this one post i have to look at and then next thing you know you find
yourself scrolling through the thing for like an hour right and you say man that was on me i
should have had more self-control
but there behind the screen behind that glass slab is like a supercomputer pointed at your brain
that is predicting the perfect thing to show you next and you can feel it like it’s this is really important so like
if i’m facebook and when you flick your finger you think um
when you’re using facebook it’s just
going to show me the next thing that my friend said but it’s not doing that it when you
flick your finger it actually literally
wakes up this sort of super computer avatar voodoo doll version of joe and the voodoo doll of joe is um
you know the more clicks you ever
made on facebook is like adding the little hair to the voodoo doll and the more likes you’ve ever made
adds little clothing to the voodoo doll and the more um
you know watch time on videos you’ve ever had adds little
um you know shoes to the voodoo doll so
the voodoo doll is getting more and more accurate the more things you click on this is in
the film the social dilemma like if you notice like the character you know as he’s using this thing uh
it builds a more and more accurate
model that the ais the three ais behind
the screen are kind of manipulating
and the idea is it can actually predict
and prick the voodoo doll with this
video or that post from your friends
or this other thing and it’ll figure out
the right thing to show you
that it knows will keep you there
because it’s already
seen how that same video or that same
post has kept 200 million other voodoo dolls there
because you just look like another
voodoo doll so here’s an example
and this works the same on all the
platforms if you are were a teen girl
and you opened a dieting video on youtube um
70 of youtube’s watch time comes from
the recommendations on the right-hand side right so the things that are showing recommended videos next and it will uh
show you it’ll show
what did it show that the girls who
watch the teen dieting video
it showed anorexia videos
because those were better
at keeping the teen girls attention not
because it said these are good for them
these are helpful for them it just says these tend to work
at keeping their attention so again
these tend to work if you are already
watching diet videos yeah so if you’re a
13 year old girl and you watch a diet video youtube wakes up it’s voodoo doll
version of that girl and says hey i’ve got like 100 million other voodoo dolls of 13 year old girls right
and they all tend to watch these these
other videos i don’t know i just know
that they have this word thin spo
the inspiration is the name for it to be
inspired for anorexia yeah it’s a real thing um
youtube addressed this problem a
couple years ago but when you let the
machine run blind all it’s doing is
picking stuff that’s engaging
why did they choose to not let the
machine run blind with
one thing like anorexia well so now
we’re getting into the twitter
censorship conversation and the
moderation conversation so the real
this is why i don’t focus on censorship in moderation
because the real issue
is if you blur your eyes and zoom way
out and say how does the whole machine
tend to operate like no matter what i
start with what is it going to recommend next so um
you know if you started with
um you know a world war ii video youtube would recommend a bunch of holocaust denial videos right
if you started teen girls with a dieting video it would recommend these anorexia videos
uh in facebook’s case if you joined
there’s so many different examples here
because facebook recommends groups to people based on what it thinks is most engaging
for you so if you were a new mom
you had renee diresta my friend on this
podcast we’ve done a bunch of work
together and she has this great example of as a new mom
she joined one facebook group for
mothers who do do it yourself baby food
like organic baby food
and then facebook has this sidebar it
says here’s some other groups you might recommend you might want to join and what do you
think was the most engaging of those
because facebook again is picking on
which group if i got you to join it
would cause you to spend the most
time here right so force some
do-it-yourself baby food groups which group do you think
it selected probably something about
vaccines exactly so anti-vaccines for moms yeah okay so then if you join that group now
it does the same run the process again
so then so now look at facebook so it
says hey i’ve got these voodoo dolls
i’ve got like 100 million voodoo dolls
and they’re all they just join this
anti-vaccine moms group and then what do
they tend to engage with for very long time if i get them to join these other groups
which of those other groups would show up i don’t know chemtrails oh the pizzagate
flat earth flat earth absolutely yep and
youtube recommended so i’m
interchangeably going from youtube to facebook
because it’s the same dynamic
they’re competing for attention and
youtube recommended flat earth conspiracy theories hundreds of millions of times and so
when you when you’re a parent during covid and you sit your kids in front of youtube
because you’re like i’m
i’ve got a this is the digital pacifier
got to let them do their thing i got to do work right and then you come back to the
dinner table and your kid says you know
the holocaust didn’t happen and the earth is flat and people are wondering why it’s
because of this
and now to your point about this sort of moderation thing we can take the whack-a-mole stick after
the public yells and renee and i you
know make a bunch of noise or something
in a large community by the way of
people making noise about this
and they’ll say okay shoot you’re right
flat earth we got to deal with that and
so they’ll tweak the algorithm and then
people make a bunch of noise about the inspiration videos for uh
anorexia for kids and they’ll deal with that problem but then they start doing it based
reactively but again if you zoom out
it’s just still recommending stuff
that’s kind of from the crazy town
section is the problem the recommendation
because i i don’t mind
that people have ridiculous ideas about hollow earth
because i think it’s humorous but i’m also a 53 year old man right
right i’m not i’m not a 12 year old boy with a limited education that is like
oh my god the government’s lying to us there’s lizard people that live under the earth
right but if that’s the real argument
about these conspiracy theories is that
they can influence young people or the easily impressionable or or
people that maybe don’t have a sophisticated sense of vetting out BLEEPED right well and the
algorithms aren’t making a distinction between who is just laughing at it right and who
is deeply vulnerable to it and generally it’s just
it just says who’s vulnerable to it
another example the way i think about
this is if you’re driving down the highway and and you know there’s facebook and
google trying to figure out like what
should i give you based on what tends to keep your attention if you look at a car crash and everybody
driving the highway they look at the car crash according to facebook and google’s like
the whole world wants car crashes we just feed them car crashes after car crashes
after car crashes and what the algorithms do as guillaume chaslow in the film says who’s the youtube whistleblower from the youtube
recommendation system is they find the
perfect little rabbit hole for you that
it knows will keep you there for five hours and the conspiracy theory like dark corners of youtube were the dark corners that tends to keep
people there for five hours
and so you have to realize that we’re
now something like 10 years in
to this vast psychology experiment where it’s been
you know in every language in hundreds
of countries right and ever in hundreds of languages it’s been steering people towards the
crazy town when i say crazytown i think of you know imagine there’s a spectrum on
youtube and there’s on one side you have like the calm walter cronkite carl sagan you know slow you know kind of boring but like
educational material or something
and the other side of the spectrum you
have you know the craziest stuff you can find um
crazy town no matter where you start
you could start in walter cronkite or
you could start in crazytown
but if i’m youtube and i want you to
watch more am i going to steer you
towards the calm stuff or am i going to
steer you more towards crazy town
crazy dumb always more towards crazy
town so then you imagine just tilting
the floor of humanity
just by like three degrees right and then you just step back and you let society run its
course as jaren lanier says in the film
if you just tilt society by one degree two degrees that’s the whole world that’s that’s
what everyone is thinking and believing
and so if you look at the at the degree to which people are deep into rabbit hole conspiracy
thinking right now and again i want to acknowledge cointelpro operation mockingbird like there’s a lot
of real stuff right so
i’m not categorically dismissing it but
we’re asking what is the
basis upon which we’re believing the
things we are about the world
and increasingly that’s that’s based on
technology and we can get into
you know what’s going on in portland
well the only way i know that is i’m
looking at my social media feed and
according to that it looks like the
entire city is on fire and it’s a war zone but if you i called a friend there the
other day and he said it’s a beautiful
day there’s there’s actually no violence
anywhere near where i am it’s just like
these two blocks or something like that
and and this is the thing is warping our view of reality and and i think that’s what really for
me the social dilemmas was really trying
to accomplish as a film
and you know the director jeff werlowski
was trying to accomplish is
is how did this society get go crazy
everywhere all at once
you know seemingly you know this didn’t
happen by accident happened by design of this business model when did the business model get
implemented like when did they start
using these algorithms to recommend things
because initially
youtube was just a series of videos and
it didn’t have that
recommended correct section when was
that you know it’s a good question i mean um
you know they originally youtube was just post a video and you can get people to
you know go to that url and send it around uh
they needed to figure out once the
competition for attention got more intense they needed to figure out how am i gonna
keep you there and so recommending those
videos on the right hand side i think
that was there pretty early
if i remember actually
because that’s
that was sort of the innovation is like
keeping people within this youtube wormhole and once people were in the youtube
wormhole constantly seeing videos
that was what they could they could
offer the promise to a new video
uploader hey if you post it here you’re
going to get way more views than if you posted on vimeo right and that’s that’s the thing if i
open up tik tok right now on my phone do
you have tic tac on your phone
um well i’m not supposed to obviously
but more for research purposes
do you know how to take talk at all no
okay my 12 year old is obsessed oh really oh yeah she can’t even sit around if
she’s standing still for
five minutes she just starts like
she starts tik-toking and that’s the
thing i mean 2012 2012 oh so the mayans were right
right 2012 the platform announced an update to the discovery system uh
designed to identify the videos people actually want
to watch by prioritizing videos that hold attention throughout as well as increasing the amount of time
a user spends on the platform overall utoh youtube could assure advertisers that it
was providing a valuable
high quality experience for people yeah so um
that that’s beginning of the end yeah
so 2012 on youtube’s timeline i mean um
you know the twitter and facebook world i think
introduces the retweet and reshare
buttons in the 2009 to 2010 kind of time period so you end up with this world where the
things that we’re most paying attention to are based on algorithms choosing for us and so the sort of deeper argument that’s in
the film that i’m not sure everyone
picks up on is these technology systems
have taken control of human choice
they’ve taken control of humanity
because they’re controlling the information that all of us are getting right
think about every election like
um i think of facebook as kind of a
voting machine but it’s a
sort of indirect voting machine
because it controls the information for four
years that your entire society is getting and then everyone votes based on that
information now you could say well hold on radio and television were there and were partisan before that but actually tv um
radio and tv are often getting their news stories from twitter and twitter is recommending things based on these
algorithms so when you control the
information that an entire population is
getting you’re controlling
their choices i mean literally in
military theory if i want to screw up
your military i want to control the
information that it’s getting i want to confuse the enemy and that information funnel is
the very thing that’s been corrupted and
it’s like the flint water supply for our minds i was talking to a friend yesterday and
she was saying that there were articles that uh
she was laughing that there’s articles that are written
about negative tweets that random people make about a celebrity doing this or that
and she was like and she was quoting this article she’s like
look how crazy this is this is a whole article that’s written about someone who decided
to say something negative about some
something some celebrity had done and
then it becomes this huge art and then
the tweets are prominently featured
right and then the response to those i
mean like like really
like arbitrary like weird
because it’s a
values-blind system that just cares
about what will get attention
exactly and that’s what the article was
it was just an attention grab
it’s interesting
because um
prince harry and megan have become very interested in these issues
and are actually working on these issues and um
getting to know them just a little bit are they really
yeah well they’re
because it affects them personally
well it’s actually interesting i mean i don’t want to speak for them but um
i think megan has been the target
of the most vitriol hate oriented stuff
on the planet right from
just the amount of sort of criticism
that they that they get really and scrutiny yeah i mean she’s just like news feeds filled
with hate about just what she looks like
what she says just constantly
boy i’m out of the loop i’ve never seen anything
she’s pretty
what do they think she looks like
i honestly i don’t follow it myself
because i don’t fall into these
attention traps i try not to but
people she just faces the worst victory
i mean this is the thing with teen bullying right so i think they work on these issues
because teenagers are now getting a
micro version of this thing where each
of us are scrutinized
you know and i think that’s what’s not i
mean think about what celebrity status
does and how it screws up humans in
general right like take an average celebrity like it warps your mind it warps your psychology
and you get scrutiny right
when you suddenly are followed each
person gets thousands or project forward
in the future a few years
each of us have you know tens of
thousands to hundreds of thousands of
people that are following what we say
that’s a lot of feedback and you know as
jonathan heights says in the film and i
know you’ve had him here yeah
you know it’s made kids much more cautious and and less risk-taking and um
and more bullied overall and um
there’s just huge problems in mental
health around this yeah it’s really bad for young girls right
um especially for celebrities and i’ve
had quite a few celebrities in here and
we’ve discussed it i just tell them that
you can’t read that stuff just don’t read it yeah
like there’s no good in it like i had a friend um
she did a show she’s a comedian she did
a show and she was talking about this one negative comment that was inaccurate you know that said
she only did a half an hour and her show
sucked she’s like BLEEPED her that’s not like i go why are you reading that she’s like
because it’s mostly positive i go but
how come you’re not talking about most of it then we’re talking about this one person yeah
it’s one negative person we’re both
laughing about it like she’s
she’s healthy you know she’s not she’s
not completely BLEEPED up by it but
this one person got into her head i’m
like i’m telling you it’s not the juice
is not worth the squeeze
but don’t read those things but this is
this is exactly right and this is based
on how our minds work i mean our minds
literally have something called
negativity bias so if you have a hundred comments and 99 are positive and one is negative just where does the average human’s mind go
right they go to the negative
yeah and it also goes to the negative
even when you shut down the screen your
mind is sitting there
looping on that negative comment and why
because evolutionarily it’s really important that we look at
social approval negative social approval
because our reputation is at stake in the tribe yes so it
matters yes but it’s never been
easier now for not just that that one
comment to sort of gain more airtime but
then for that to build a hate mob and
then to see the interconnected clicks
and i can go in and see
10 other people that responded to that that are now yes
and so especially when you have
teenagers that are exposed to this and
you can keep going down the tree and see
all of the hate fest on you this is the
psychological environment that is the default way that kids are growing up now yeah i
actually faced this recently with the film itself
because actually the film has gotten just crazy positive acclaim for the most part
and there’s just a few you know negative comments
and for myself even right becomes a conjunction
but i was glued to a few negative
comments and i and then you could click
and you would see
the other people that you know who positively like or respond to those comments like why did
that person say that negative thing i
thought we were friends that whole kind of psychology and we’re all vulnerable to
it unless you learn as
you said to tell your celebrity friends
just don’t pay attention even mild stuff
i see people fixate on even mild
disagreement or mild criticism people fixate on and it’s um
it’s it’s also a problem
because you realize that someone’s
saying this and you’re not there and you
can’t defend yourself so you have this
feeling of helplessness like hey that’s not true i didn’t and then you you don’t get it out of your system
you never you never get to express it
and people can share that
false negative stuff i mean not all
negative stuff is false but you can
assert things and build on the hate fest right and start going crazy and saying this person’s a
white supremacist or this person’s even worse and that’ll spread to thousands and
thousands of people and next thing you
know you check into your feed again at you know 8 p.m that night and you your whole
reputation’s been destroyed yes and you
didn’t even know what happened to you
well and this happened to teenagers too
i mean they’re anxious like i’ll post
you know teenager opposed to photo
uh their high school they make a dumb
comment without thinking about it
and then next thing they know you know
at the end of the day the parents are all calling
because like 300 parents saw it
and are calling up the parent of that kid
and it it’s you know we talk to teachers a lot
in our work at the center for humane technology and they um
will say that on monday morning this
is before kobe but on monday morning
they spend the first like
hour of class having to clear all the
drama that happened on social media from the weekend for the kids jesus and
again like this and these kids are in what age group this is like eighth ninth ninth tenth
grade that kind of thing
and the other problem with these
kids is there’s not like uh
a long history of people growing up
through this kind of influence and
successfully navigating it yeah
these are the these are the pioneers
yeah and they won’t know anything
different which is why you know we talk
about in the film like
this they’re growing up in this environment and you know one of the simplest
principles of ethics um
uh is the ethics of symmetry doing onto
others as you would do to yourself and
as we say at the end of the film like
one of the easiest ways you know that
there’s a problem here is that
many of the executives at the social media tech companies don’t let their own kids use social
media right they literally say at the
end of the film like it’s
we have a rule about it we’re religious
about it we don’t do it the ceo of lunchable’s foods
didn’t let his own kids eat lunchables
that’s when you know if you talk to a
doctor or a lawyer a doctor and you say
you know would you get this surgery for
your own kids oh no i would never do
that like would you trust that doctor
right and it’s the same thing for a
lawyer so this is the relationship where
we have a relationship of asymmetry and
technology is influencing all of us
and we need a system by which you know
when i was growing up
uh you know i grew up on the macintosh
and technology and i was
creatively doing programming projects
and whatever else the people who built
the technology i was using would have their own kits use the things that i was using
because they were creative and they were about tools and empowerment
and that’s what’s changed we don’t have that anymore
because the business model took over and so instead of having just tools
sitting there like hammers waiting to be used to build you know creative projects or
programming to invent things or paint brushes or whatever we now have a manipulation based
technology environment where everything you use has this
incentive to not only addict you but to
have you play the fame lottery get social feedback
because those are all the things that keep people’s attention
isn’t this also a problem with these information technologies being
attached to corporations that have this philosophy of unlimited growth
yes so they’re they’re no matter how much they make i i applaud apple
because i think they’re the only company that takes steps to protect privacy to uh
block advertisements to make sure that
at least like when you when you use
their maps application they’re not
saving your data and sending it to everybody and it’s one of the reasons why apple maps
is really not as good
as google maps right but i use it
and that’s one of the reasons why i use
it and when apple came out recently
and there was um
they were doing something to uh
to to block your uh
information being uh
sent to other places and they i forget what was the exact thing that it was in the new ios they
released a thing that blocks the tracking identifiers that’s right and it’s not actually out
yet it’s going to be out in january or
february i think someone told me and
what that’s due that’s a good example of
they’re putting a tax on the advertising industry
because just by saying you can’t track people individually
that you know takes down the value of an advertisement by like 30 or something
here it is pops up and you when i do safari
i get this whole privacy report thing
right that says it’s like in the last seven days it’s
prevented 125 trackers from profiling me
right yeah and you can opt out of that
if you’d like if you’re like no BLEEPED that track me yeah yeah you can do that you can let
them send your data but
that that seems to me a much more ethical approach to be able to decide whether or not
these companies get your information
i mean those things are great um
the challenge is imagine you get the privacy
equation perfectly right look at this
apple working on its own search engine as google ties could be cut soon
i started using duckduckgo
yep for that very reason
just because it’s they don’t do anything with it
you know they give you the information
but they don’t they don’t take your data
and and do anything with it the the
challenge is let’s say we get all the privacy stuff perfectly perfectly right and data
production and data controls and all that stuff in a
system that’s still based on attention
and grabbing attention and harvesting and strip mining our brains uh
you still get maximum polarization addiction mental health problems isolation teen depression and suicide um
polarization breakdown of truth right right so that’s
we really focus in our work uh
on those topics
because that’s the direct
influence of the business model on
warping society like we need to name
this mind warp we think of it like the
climate change of culture
that you know we they seem like they seem like different disconnected topics much like with
climate change you’d say like okay we’ve
got species loss in the amazon we’ve got
we’re losing insects
we’ve got melting glaciers
we’ve got ocean acidification
we’ve got the coral reefs you know getting dying
these can feel like disconnected things
until you have a unified model
of how emissions change all those different phenomena right
in the social fabric
we have shortening of attention spans
we have more outrage driven news media
we have more polarization
um we have more breakdown of truth we
have more conspiracy-minded thinking
these seem like separate events uh
and separate phenomena but they’re actually
all part of this attention extraction paradigm that the company’s growth as you said
depends on extracting more of our
attention which means more polarization more extreme material more conspiracy thinking
and shortening attention spans
because we we also say like you know if we want
to double the size of the attention economy i want your attention joe to be split
into two separate streams
like i want you watching the tv uh
the tablet and the phone at the same time
because now i’ve tripled the size of the
amount of extractable attention that i
can get for advertisers
which means that by fracking for
attention and splitting you into
more junk you know attention that’s like thinner we can sell that as if it’s real
attention like the financial crisis
where you’re selling
thinner and thinner financial assets as
if it’s real but it’s really just a junk asset
oh wow and that’s kind of where we are
now where it’s sort of the junk attention economy
because we we’re we can shorten
attention spans and we’re debasing the substrate
of that makes up our society
because everything in a democracy depends on individual
sense making and meaningful choice
meaningful free will meaningful
independent views but if that’s all
basically sold to the highest bidder
that debases the soil
from which independent views grow
because all of us are jacked into this
sort of matrix of social media manipulation
that’s that’s ruining and degrading our
democracy and that’s really
there’s many other things that are
ruining integrating our democracy but
that’s that’s the sort of invisible force that’s upstream
that affects every other thing downstream
because if we can’t agree on
what’s true for example
you can’t solve any problem i think
that’s what you talked about in your
10-minute thing on the social dilemma i
think i saw on youtube yeah um
your organization highlights all these issues
in you know in an amazing way and it’s very important
it’s hard right so i just want to say
that this is as a complex a problem
as climate change um
in the sense that
you need to change the business model i
think of it like we’re on the fossil fuel economy
and we have to switch to some kind of beyond that thing right
because so long as the business models of these companies depend on extracting attention can you expect
them to do something different like
you can’t but how could you is it i mean
there’s so much money involved and now
they’ve accumulated so much wealth that they have an amazing amount of influence
yeah you know and and the asymmetric influence can buy
lobbyists can influence congress and
prevent things from happening so this is
why it’s kind of the last missiles
that’s right but you know i think we’re
seeing signs of real change we have the
anti-trust case that was just filed
against google in congress we’re seeing more hearings what was the basis of that case you know
to be honest i was actually in the middle of uh
the social dilemma launch
when i think that happened and our my home burned down in the recent fires in santa rosa
so i actually missed that happening
it’s hard to hear that
yeah sorry that was a big thing to drop
but yeah no it’s it’s awful there’s so much that’s been happening in the last six years
i’ve been uh
i was evacuated three times where i lived in california
oh really yeah
so we got real close to our house
justice departments who’s monopolist google for violating antitrust laws
department files complain against google to restore competition and search
and search advertising markets okay
so it’s all about search yeah this is right
this was a case that’s about google using its dominant position to privilege
its own search engine
um in its own products and beyond
which is similar to sort of microsoft
bundling in the internet explorer browser but i you know this is all good progress but
really it misses the kind of fundamental
harm of like these things are warping
our society they’re warping how our
minds are working and there’s no
you know congressional action against that
because it’s a really hard problem to solve i think the reason the film for me
is so important is that
if i look at the growth rate of how fast uh
facebook has been recommending people
into conspiracy groups and
um kind of polarizing us into separate
echo chambers which we should really
break down i think
as well for people like exactly the
mechanics of how that happens
but if you look at the growth rate of
all those harms compared to
you know how fast has congress passed
anything to deal with it like basically not at all they seem a little bit unsophisticated
in that regard like big big
understatement yeah yeah they are trying to be charitable i i want to be charitable too
and i want to make sure i call out and
there’s senator mark warner blumenthal um uh
several other senators we’ve
talked to have been
really on top of these issues and led i
think senator warner’s white paper
um on how to regulate the tech platforms
is one of the best it’s from two years
ago in 2018
and rafi martina his staffer is an
amazing human being has worked very hard on these issues so there are some good folks but when
you look at the broad
like the hearing yesterday it’s mostly
grandstanding to politicize the issue right
because you you turn it into on
the right um hey you’re censoring conservatives and on
the left it’s hey you’re not taking down enough misinformation and dealing with the hate
speech and all these kinds of things right and they’re not actually dealing with
how would we solve this problem they’re
just trying to make a political point
to win over their base now the facebook
recently banned the q and on pages
which i thought was kind of fascinating
because i’m like
well this is a weird sort of slippery
slope isn’t it like
if you decide that you i mean it’s it
almost seemed to me like well we’ll
throw them a bone we’ll get rid of q on
because it’s so preposterous let’s
just get rid of that
what else like if you keep going down
that rabbit hole where do you draw the line like
where are you allowed to have jfk conspiracy theories are you allowed to have flat earth are
you allowed i mean i guess flat earth is not dangerous is that where they make the distinction
so i think their policy is evolving in the direction of when things are causing offline harm when online content is known to precede
offline harm that’s when the platform
that’s the standard by which platforms are acting what um
what offline harm has been
caused by the q and on stuff do you know
um there’s several incidents we
interviewed a guy on our podcast about it um
there’s some armed gunpoint type thing i
can’t remember um uh
and there’s there’s things that
are priming people to be violent
you know um
uh these are i just wanna
say these are really tricky topics right
i think what i wanna
make sure we get to though is that there
are many people manipulating the group
think that can happen in these echo chambers
because once you’re in one of
these things like i studied cults
earlier in my career
and the power of cults is like they’re a
vertically integrated persuasion stack
because they control your social relationships they control
who you’re hearing from and who you’re not hearing from they give you meaning purpose and belonging they um
they have a custom language they have
an internal way of referring to things
and social media allows you to create
this sort of decentralized cult
factory where it’s easier to
grab people into an echo chamber where
they only hear from other people’s views
and facebook i think even just recently
announced that they’re going to be
promoting more of the facebook group content into feeds which means that they’re
actually going to make it easier for
that kind of manipulation to happen
but did they make the distinction
between group content and
conspiracy groups like how do you how do you when when does group content
when does it cross a line i don’t know i mean the policy teams that work on this are
coming up with their own standards so
i’m not familiar with it if you think about you know think about how hard it is to
come up with a law at the federal level
that all states will agree to then you imagine facebook trying to come up with a policy
that will be universal to
all the countries that are running
facebook right well then you imagine how
you take a company that never thought
they were going to be in the position
to do that correct and then within a
decade they become the most prominent
source of news and information on the planet earth correct and now they have to regulate it
and you know i actually believe
zuckerberg when he says
i don’t want to make these decisions i
shouldn’t be in this role where my beliefs decide the whole world’s views right he
genuinely believes that yeah
um and and to be certain of that but the
problem is he created a situation where he is now in that position i mean he got there
very quickly and they did it
aggressively when they went into
countries like myanmar ethiopia
uh all throughout the african continent
where they gave do you know about free basics no so this is the program that i think
has gotten something like 700 million
accounts onto facebook where they do a
deal with like a telecommunications
provider like at their version of 18t
in myanmar or something so when you get your smartphone facebook’s built-in facebook’s built-in
i do know about that and there’s a
uh asymmetry of uh
access where it’s
free to access facebook
but it costs money to do the other
things so for the data plan so
you get a free facebook account facebook
is the internet basically
because it’s the free thing you can do
on your phone and
then there’s we know that there’s fake
information that’s being spread
so the data doesn’t apply to facebook
use yeah i think like the cost
you know how we pay for data here like i
think you don’t pay for facebook but you do pay for all the other things which creates an
asymmetry where of course you’re going
to use facebook for most things
right so you facebook messenger yeah and
what’s that yeah yeah what’s up
i don’t know exactly with video
because different
little faces has video calls as well in
general they do yeah i just don’t know
how that works in the developing world
but there’s a joke within facebook i
mean this has caused genocides right so
in myanmar which is in the film
um the rohingya muslim minority group many rohingya were persecuted and murdered
because of fake information
spread by the government on facebook
using their asymmetric knowledge with
fake accounts i mean even just a couple
weeks ago facebook took down
a network of i think several hundred
thousand fake accounts in myanmar
and they didn’t even have at the time
more than something like four or five
people in their extended facebook
network who even spoke the language
of that country oh god so when you
realize that this is like
the i think of like the iraq war colin powell pottery barn rule where like you know if
you go in and you break it then you are
responsible for fixing it
this is facebook actively doing deals to
go into ethiopia to go into myanmar to
go into the philippines or whatever and providing these solutions and then it breaks the society
and they’re now in a position where they
have to fix it there’s actually a joke within facebook that if you want to know which countries will
be quote unquote at risk
in two years from now look at which ones
have facebook free basics
jesus and it’s terrifying that they do
that and they don’t have very many
people that even speak the language so
there’s no way they’re gonna be able to
filter it that’s right and so now if you
take it back i know we were talking
outside about the congressional hearing
and jack dorsey and the questions from the senator about are you taking down the content from the
ayatollahs or from the chinese
xinjiang province about the uyghurs
uh you know when there’s sort of speech
that leads to offline violence in these other countries the issue
is that these platforms are managing the information commons for countries they don’t even
speak the language of
right and if you think the conspiracy
theory sort of dark
corners crazy town of the english internet are bad and we’ve we’ve already taken out like
hundreds of whack-a-mole sticks and
they’ve hired hundreds of policy people
and hundreds of engineers to deal with
that problem you go to a country like ethiopia where um
there’s something like 90 major
there’s 90 something dialects i think in the country and six major languages where one of them
is the dominant facebook sort of
language and then the others get persecuted
because they actually don’t have um
uh they don’t have a voice on the
platform this is really important that um
the people in myanmar
who got persecuted and murdered
didn’t have to be on facebook
for the fake information spread about them
to impact them for people to go after them
right so this is the whole
i can assert something about this minority group
that minority group isn’t on facebook
but if it manipulates the dominant culture to go
we have to go kill them
then they can go do it and the same thing has happened um
you know in india uh
where there’s videos uploaded about
hey those muslims i think they’re called flesh killings
where they’ll say that these muslims
killed this cow and hindu um
is it hinduism the cows are sacred um the uh
to get that right anyway
i believe you did yeah um the uh
they will post those they’ll go viral on
whatsapp and say we have to go lynch those uh muslims
because they killed our sacred the sacred cows
and they went from something like five
of those happening per year to now
hundreds of those happening per year
because of fake news being spread
again on facebook facebook about them on whatsapp about them and again they don’t have to be on the
platform for this to happen to them
right so this is critical that you know
imagine you and i are all let’s imagine
all of your listeners
you know i don’t even know how many you
have like tens of millions right and we
all listen to this conversation we say
we don’t want to even use facebook and twitter or youtube
we all still if you live in the us still
live in a country that everyone else will vote based on everything
that they’re seeing on these platforms
if you zoom out to the global context all of us don’t
we don’t use facebook in brazil but if brazil which uh
was heavily the last election was skewed uh
by facebook and whatsapp where something
like 87 percent of people
saw at least one of the major fake news
stories about bolsonaro and he got
elected and you have people in brazil
chanting facebook facebook when he wins
he wins and then he sets a new policy to
wipe out the amazon
all of us don’t have to be on facebook
to be affected by a leader that wipes
out the amazon and accelerates climate change timelines
because of those interconnected effects
so i you know we at the center for
immune technology are looking at this
from a global perspective
where it’s not just the us election
facebook manages something like 80 elections per year and if you think that they’re doing all
the monitoring that they are for you
know english-speaking american election most privileged society
now look at the hundreds of other countries that they’re operating in do
you think that they’re devoting
the same resources to to the other countries this is so crazy it’s like
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you hear like a squeaky
i heard it too
yeah maybe it’s me i don’t think it is
just might be feedback
there it is
it might be me breathing
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um what’s terrifying is
that we’re talking about from 2012 to 2020 um
youtube implementing this program and then what
is the even the birth of facebook
what is that like 2002 or three like 2004.
this is such a short timeline and having these massive worldwide implications from the use of these things
when you look at the future do you look at this like a runaway train that’s headed towards a cliff
yeah i mean i think right now this thing is a frankenstein that it’s not like even if facebook is
aware of all these problems
they don’t have the staff unless they
hired like hundreds of you know tens
hundreds of thousands of people definitely minimum to try to address all these problems but
the paradox we’re in
is that the very premise of these
services is to rely on automation
like it used to be we had
editors and journalists or at least
editors or you know people edited even
when on television saying what is
credible what is true like you know you sat here with you know alex jones even yesterday and
you’re trying to check him on everything
he’s saying right you’re researching and trying to look that stuff up
you’re trying to be doing some more responsible communication
the premise of these systems is that you don’t do that
like the reason venture capitalists find social media so um uh
profitable and such a good investment is
because we generate the content for free
we are the useful idiots right
instead of paying a journalist
70 000 a year to write something credible we can each be convinced to share our
political views and we’ll do it knowingly for free actually we don’t really know the word
the useful idiots that’s the kind of the point and then instead of paying an editor a hundred
thousand dollars a year to figure out
which of those things is true that we
want to promote and give
exponential reach to you have an
algorithm says hey what do people click on the most what people like the most and then you
realize the quality of the signals that are going into the information environment that
we’re all sharing
is a totally different process we went
from a high quality gated process that cost a lot of money
to this um
really crappy process that costs no money which makes the company so profitable
and then we fight back for territory for for values
when we raise our hands and say hey
there’s a thinspiration video problem
for teenagers and anorexia
hey there’s a mass conspiracy sort of
echo chamber problem over here
hey there’s um
you know flat earth sort of issues and again these get into tricky topics
because we want to
you know i i know we both believe in
free speech and we have this
feeling that um
the solution to bad
speech is better you know more speech
that counters the things that are said
but in a finite attention economy we
don’t have
the capacity for everyone who gets bad speech to just have a counter response in fact what
happens right now is that that bad
speech rabbit holes into
not only called worse and worse speech
but more extreme versions of that view that confirms it
because once facebook knows that that
flat earth rabbit hole is good for you
at getting your attention back
it wants to give you just more and more
of that it doesn’t want to say here’s 20
people who disagree with that thing
right right so i think if you were to imagine a different system we would ask who are
the thinkers that are most
open-minded and synthesis-oriented where
they can actually steal man the other side actually they can do you know for this
speech here is the opposite counter argument they can show that they understand that
and imagine those people get lifted up
but notice that none of those people
that you and i know i mean we’re both
friends with eric weinstein
and you know i think he’s one of these
guys who’s really good at sort of offering the steel manning here’s the other side
of this here’s the other side of that
but the people who generally do that
aren’t the ones who get the tens of
millions of followers on these
surfaces it’s the black and white
extreme outrage oriented thinkers and and speakers that get rewarded in this detention
economy and so if you look at how if i
zoom way out and say how is the entire
system behaving just like if i zoom out
and say climate you know the climate
system like how is the entire
overall system behaving it’s not
producing the kind of information environment the thing that troubles me the most that
i clearly see you’re thinking and i agree with you like i don’t see any holes in what
you’re saying like i don’t know how this
plays out but it doesn’t look good
and i don’t see a solution
it’s like if there are a thousand bison
running full steam towards a cliff and
they don’t realize the cliff is there i
don’t see how you pull them back
so i think of it like we’re trapped in a body and um
that’s eating itself so like it’s
kind of a cannibalism economy
because our economic growth right now with these
tech companies is based on eating our
own organs so we’re eating our own
mental health organs we’re eating the
health of our children we’re eating
sorry for being so gnarly about it but
it’s it’s a cannibalistic system
in a system that’s hurting itself or
eating itself or punching itself
if one of the neurons wakes up in the
body it’s not enough to change that it’s
going to keep punching itself but if
enough of the neurons wake up and say
this is stupid why would we build our system this way and the reason i’m so excited about the
film is that if you have 40 to 50 million people who now recognize that we’re
living in this sort of cannibalist system in which the economic incentive is to debase the
life support systems of your democracy
we can all wake up and say that’s stupid
let’s do something differently let’s actually change the system let’s use different platforms
let’s fund different platforms let’s regulate and tame the existing frankensteins
and i don’t mean regulating speech i mean really thoughtfully
how do we change the incentives so it doesn’t go to the same race to the
bottom and we have to all recognize that
we’re now 10 years into this hypnosis
experiment of warping of the mind
and like you know friends with some
hypnotists like how do we snap our
fingers and get people to say
that that artifact there’s an inflated
level of polarization and hatred right now that especially going into this election i think we all
need to be much more cautious about
what’s running in our brains right now
yeah i don’t think most people are generally aware of what’s causing this polarization i
think they think it’s the climate of society
because the president and
because of uh
black lives matter and the the
george floyd protests and all this jazz
but i don’t think they understand that
that’s exacerbated
in a fantastic way by social media and
the last 10 years of our addictions to
social media and these echo chambers
that we all exist in
yeah so i want to make sure that we’re
both clear and i know
you agree with this that um
these things were already in society to
some degree right so we want to make
sure we’re not
saying social media is blamed for all of
it absolutely not no no
gasoline is gasoline right exactly it’s
it’s lighter fluid for sparks of polarization it’s lighter fluid for sparks of you
know more paranoid which is ironically
what everybody it was the opposite of
everybody what everybody hoped the
internet was going to be
right everybody hoped the internet was
going to be this bottomless resource of
information where everyone was going to
be educated in a way they had never
experienced before in the history of the
human race where you’d have access to
all the answers to all your questions
you you know eric weinstein
describes as the library of alexandria in your pocket yeah but no well and i want to be clear
so that i’m not against technology or
giving people access in fact i think a
world where everyone had a smartphone
and a google search box and wikipedia
and like a search oriented of youtube so
you can look up
health issues or how to do it yourself fix anything sure it would be awesome that would be
great i would love that just want to be really clear
because this is not an
anti-technology conversation
it’s about again this business model
that depends on recommending stuff to people which just to be clear on the polarization front um
it social media is more profitable when
it gives you your own truman show that
affirms your view of reality every time
you flick your finger right
like it that’s going to be more
profitable than every time you flick
your finger i actually show you here’s a
more complex nuanced picture that disagrees with that here’s a different way to see it that
won’t be nearly as successful and the
best way for people to test this
we actually recommend even after seeing
the film to do this is
um open up facebook on two phones especially like you know two partners or people who have
the same friends so you have the same friends on facebook you would think if you scroll your feeds
you’d see the same thing you’re the same
people you’re following
so why wouldn’t you see the same thing
but if you swap phones and you actually
scroll through their feed for 10 minutes
and you scroll through mine for 10
minutes you’ll find
that you’ll see completely different information and it won’t you’ll also notice that it
won’t feel very compelling like if you asked yourself my friend emily just did this with with
her husband after seeing the film
and she literally has the same friends
as her husband and she scrolled through
the feed she’s like this isn’t interesting i wouldn’t come back to this right and
so we have to again realize how subtle and and yeah just how subtle this has been i
wonder what would happen if i scrolled through my feed
because i literally
don’t use facebook
i don’t use it at all i only use
instagram use instagram i i stopped using twitter
because it’s like a bunch
of mental patients throwing BLEEPED at each other um
and i uh
very rarely use it i should say occasionally i’ll check some things to
see like what the climate
is but uh
of the cultural climate but
i use instagram and i facebook i used to use instagram to post to facebook but i kind
of stopped even doing that
because just it just seems gross yeah it’s just and
it’s these people in these verbose arguments about the politics and the economy and world events
and is that medium constructive to solving these problems no just not at all and it’s an attention
casino right the house always wins and we’re
you know eric you might see eric
weinstein in a thread you know
battling it out or sort of duking it out
with someone and maybe even reaching
some convergence on something but it
just whizzes by your feet and then it’s
gone right and all the effort that we’re
putting in to make these systems work
but then it’s just all gone what do you do i mean i try to very minimally use social media overall um
luckily the work is so busy that that’s easier um
i i want to say first that um
you know on the addiction fronts of these things i you know myself i’m very sensitive and
you know easily addicted by these things myself and that’s why
i think i notice you were saying in a
social dilemma it’s email for you huh
yeah i well i you know for me if i
refresh my email and pull to refresh
like a slot machine sometimes i’ll get invited to meet the president of such and such to
advise on regulation and sometimes i get a stupid newsletter from a politician i
don’t care about or something right
um so i email is very addictive
um it’s funny i talked to daniel
kahneman who wrote the he’s like the
founder of behavioral economics he wrote the book thinking fast and slow if you know that
one and he said as well that email was
uh the most addictive for him and he you
know the one thing you’ll find is the
people who know most about these sort of persuasive manipulative tricks they’ll say
we’re not immune to them just
because we know about them
dan ariely who’s another famous
persuasion behavioral economics guy talks about flattery and how flattery still feels good even
if i tell you i don’t mean it like
i love that that sweatshirt that’s an
awesome sweatshirt where’d you get it
you’re just gonna BLEEPED me but that’s that’s the um
it feels good to get flattery even if
you know that it’s not real
right and the point being that like
again we have so much evolutionary
wiring to care about what other people
think of us that just
because you know that they’re
manipulating you and the likes or whatever it still feels good to get those hundred
extra likes on that thing that you posted yeah when do the likes come about
um well let’s see well actually you know in the film you know justin rosenstein who’s the
inventor of the like button
talks about i think the first version
was something called beacon and it
arrived in 2006 i think
but then the simple like one-click like
button was like a little bit later like
2008 2009.
are you worried that it’s going to be
more and more invasive i mean you think
about the problems we’re dealing with now with facebook and twitter and instagram
all these within the last decade or so what what
do we have to look forward to i mean is
there something on the horizon that’s
going to be even more invasive
well we have to change this system
because as you said
technology is only to get it is only
going to get more immersed into our
lives and infuse into our lives not less
is technology going to get more
persuasive or less persuasive more
more is ai going to get better at
predicting our next move
or less good at predicting our next move
well it’s almost like we have to eliminate that and i mean it would be really hard to
tell them you can’t use algorithms anymore that depend on people’s attention spans
right it would be really hard but it seems like the only way for the internet to be pure
correct i think of this like the
environmental movement i mean some
people have compared the film
the social dilemma to um
rachel carson’s silent spring right where that was the birth that was
the book that birthed the environmental movement and that was in a republican
administration the knicks administration
we actually passed we created the epa
the environmental protection agency
we went from a world where we said the
environment’s something we don’t pay attention to to we passed a bunch i forgot the laws
we passed between 1963 and 1972 over a decade we started caring about the environment
we created things that protected the national parks we and i think that’s kind of what’s going
on here that you know
imagine for example it is illegal to show advertising on youth oriented social media apps between 12 a.m and 6 a.m
because you’re
basically monetizing loneliness and lack of sleep right like imagine that you cannot
advertise during those hours
because we say that like a national park
our children’s attention between this is
a very minimal example by this would be like you know taking the most obvious piece
of low-hanging fruit and land it’s like
let’s quarantine this off and say this is sacred but isn’t the problem
like the environmental protection agency it resonates with most people the idea
oh let’s protect the world for our children right there’s not a lot of people profiting
off of polluting the rivers right
but when you lose i mean over over
hunting you know certain lands or
overfishing certain fisheries and
collapsing them i mean there there are
if you have big enough corporations that
are based on an infinite growth profit model you know operating with less and less
you know resources to get this is a
problem we faced before
for so for sure but it’s not the same sort of scale as 300 and x amount of millions of people
and a vast majority of them are using some form of social media
and also this is not something that
really resonates in a very clear
like one plus one equals two way like the environmental protection agency
it makes sense like if you ask people right should you be able to throw
garbage into the ocean everyone’s gonna
say no that’s a terrible idea right
should you be able to make an algorithm
that shows people what they’re
interested in on youtube like yeah
what’s wrong with that well it’s more like sugar right
because sugar is always going to taste way
better than something else
because our evolutionary heritage says like that’s rare and so we
should pay more attention to it
this is like sugar for the fame lottery
for our attention for social approval
and so it’s always going to feel good
and we need to have consciousness about
it and we haven’t
banned sugar but we have created a new
conversation about what healthy
you know eating is right i mean there’s
a whole new fitness movement in sort of
yoga and all these other things that
people care more about their bodies and
health than they probably ever have i
think many of us wouldn’t have thought
we’d ever reach it through uh
you know
get through the period of soda being at the sort of pinnacle popularity that is i think
in 2013 or 14 was the year that water crossed over as being more of a successful drinking product than soda
i think really i think that’s true
you might want to look that up but
so i think we could have something like
that here we have to
i think of it this way if you want to
even get kind of weirdly
i don’t know spiritual or something
about it which is we are the only species that could even know that we were doing this to ourselves right
like we’re the only species with the capacity for self-awareness
to know that we have actually like roped ourselves into this matrix
of like literally the matrix um of of sort of undermining our own psychological weaknesses
like a lion that somehow manipulated its environment
so that there’s gazelles everywhere and is like overeating on gazelles
doesn’t have the self-awareness to know
wait a second if we keep doing this
this is going to cause all these other
problems it can’t do that
because its brain doesn’t have that capacity
our brain we do have the capacity for
self-awareness we can name
negativity bias which is that if i have
100 comments and 99 are positive my
brain goes to the negative we can name
that and once we’re aware of it we get some agency back we can name that we have a draw towards
social approval so when i see i’ve been
tagged in a photo i know that they’re just manipulating my social approval we can name social
reciprocity which is when i get all
those text messages and i feel oh i have
to get back to all these people
well that’s just an inbuilt bias that we
have to get back
reciprocity we have to get back to
people who do give stuff to us
the more we name our own biases like
confirmation bias we can name that
my brain is more likely to feel good
getting information that i already agree with that information that disagrees with me
once i know that about myself
i can get more agency back yeah and
we’re the only
like species that we know of that has
the capacity to realize that we’re in a
self-terminating
sort of system and we have to change
that by understanding our own weaknesses
and that we’ve created the system that
is undermining ourselves and i i think the film is doing that for a lot of people it
certainly is but i think it needs
more it’s like inspiration it needs a refresher on a regular basis right do you feel
this massive obligation to be that guy
that is out there sort of as the paul revere of uh
the technology influence
uh invasion i just see these problems
and i want them to go away yeah you know
i i didn’t
i you know didn’t desire and wake up to run a social movement but
honestly right now that’s what we’re trying to do um
with the center for humane technology
we realize that before the success of the film
we were actually more focused on working with technologists inside the industry
you know i come from silicon valley many of my friends are executives at the companies
and we have these inside relationships
so we focused at that level we also worked with policymakers um and we were trying to speak to policymakers
we weren’t trying to mobilize the whole world against this problem but with the film
suddenly we as an organization have had to do that and we’re frankly i wish we had i’m
speaking really honestly we i really
wish we’d had those funnels
so that people who saw the film could
have landed into you know a carefully
designed funnel where we actually
started mobilizing people to deal with this issue
because there are ways we can
do it we can pass certain laws
we have to have a new cultural sort of
set of norms about how do we want to
show up and use the system
um you know families and schools can
have whole new protocols of how we want
to do group migrations
because one of the problems is that if a teenager says by themselves
whoa i saw the film
i’m going to delete my instagram account
by myself or tiktok account by myself
that’s not enough
because all their friends are still using instagram and
tiktok and they’re still going to talk
about who’s dating who or gossip about this or homework or whatever on those services
and so the services instagram and tick
tock prey on social exclusion
that you will feel excluded if you don’t participate and the way to solve that is to get
whole schools or families together like
put different parent groups or whatever together and do a group migration
from instagram to signal or imessage or some kind of group thread
that way
because notice that when you as you said
apple’s a pretty good actor in this space if i make a facetime call to you
facetime isn’t trying to monetize my attention right it’s just sitting there being like
yet when how can i help you have a good
face it’s close to face-to-face
you know conversation is possible jamie
pulled up an article earlier that was saying that uh
apple was creating its own search engine yeah uh
i hope that is the case and i i hope
that if it is the case they apply the
same sort of ethics that they have
towards sharing your information that they do uh
with other things to to their search engine but i wonder
if there would be some sort of value in them creating a social media platform that doesn’t
rely on that sort of algorithm yep
well i think in general one of the exciting trends that has happened since the film is
there’s actually many more people
trying to build alternatives social
media products that are not based on
these business models yeah um uh
i could name a few but i i don’t
want to be endorsing it i mean there’s
people building marco polo clubhouse
wikipedia is trying to build a sort of for a non-profit version um
i always forget the names of these things but okay but the interesting thing is
that for the first time people
are trying to build something else
because now there’s enough
people who feel disgusted by the present
state of affairs and that wouldn’t be
possible unless we created a kind of a cultural movement based on something like the film that
reaches a lot of people it’s interesting
that you made this comparison to the environmental protection agency
because there’s kind of a parallel
in the way other countries handled the
environment versus the way we do and how
it makes them competitive i mean that’s
always been the republican argument for um
not getting rid of certain fossil fuels and coal and
all sorts of things that have a negative consequence we we need to be competitive with china
we need to be competitive with these
other countries that don’t have these regulations in effect the concern would be well first of all
the problem is these companies are
global right like facebook is global
if they put these regulations on america
but didn’t put these regulations worldwide then wouldn’t they use the uh
the income and the algorithm in other countries unchecked right
and have this negative consequence and gather up all this money which is why
just like sugar it’s like everyone
around the world has to understand and be more antagonistic yeah and not like sugar’s evil but just
you have to have a common awareness
about the problem but how could you educate people that like if you’re talking about some a
country like myanmar or
these other countries that that have had
these like serious consequences
because of facebook how how could you possibly get
our ideas across to them if we don’t
even know their language and it’s just
this system that’s already set up in this very advantageous way for them
where facebook comes on their phone like
how could you hit the brakes on that
well i mean first i just want to say this is
an incredibly hard and depressing problem yeah just the scale of it right right um
you need something like a global i mean language independent global self-awareness about this problem now
again i don’t want to be tweeting the
horn about the film but the thing i’m excited about is it launched on netflix in 190 countries
and in 30 languages so you shouldn’t [Laughter] well i think you know the film was seen
in 30 languages so
you know the cool thing is i wish i
could show the world my inbox i think
people see the film
and they feel like oh my god this is huge and i’m
a huge problem and i’m all alone how are
we ever going to fix this
but i get emails every day from indonesia chile argentina brazil people saying oh
my god this is exactly what’s going on
in my country i mean i’ve
never felt more optimistic and i felt
really pessimistic for the last eight
years working on this
because there really hasn’t been enough movement
but i think for the first time there’s a
global awareness now that we could then
start to mobilize i know the eu’s
mobilizing canada is mobilizing
australia’s mobilizing
california state is mobilizing with prop 24
there’s a whole bunch of movement now in the space
and they have a new rhetorical arsenal
of you know why we have to make this bigger transition now
you know are we going to get all the countries that you know
where there’s the six different major dialects in in ethiopia
where they’re going to know about this
i don’t think the film was translated into all those dialects
i think we need to do more um it’s it’s a really really hard messy problem
but on the topic of um uh
if if we don’t do it someone else will
you know one interesting thing in the environmental movement was um
there’s a great um
wnyc radio piece about the history of lead
and when we regulated lead i don’t do
you know anything about this
yeah i do yeah yeah the cruises matches
up with with your experience
the my understanding is that obviously
lead was this sort of miracle thing we
put it in paint we put it in gas
it was like great and then um
the way we figured out that we should regulate
lead out of our sort of infused product supply is by proving there was this this guy
who proved that it dropped kids iq by
four points for every i think
microgram per deciliter i think
in other words for for the amount of if you had a microgram of lead per deciliter of either
i’m guessing air um
it would drop
like the iq of kids by four points
and they measured this by actually doing
a sample on their teeth or something
because lead shows up in your bones i think
and they proved that if the iq points dropped by four points
it would lower future
age warning age earning excuse me
wage earning potential of those kids
which would then lower the gdp of the country
because it would be shifting the iq of the entire country down
by four points if not more
based on how much lead is in the environment
if you zoom out and say is social media
now let’s replace the word iq
which is also a wrought term
because there’s like a whole bunch of views about how that’s
designed in certain ways and not others and measuring intelligence
let’s replace iq with problem solving capacity what is your problem solving capacity
which is actually how they talk about it
in this radio episode
um and imagine that we have a societal
iq or a societal problem-solving
capacity the u.s has a societal iq
russia has a societal iq germany has a societal iq
how good is a country at solving its problems
now imagine that what does
social media do to our societal iq
what distorts our ideas it gives us a
bunch of false narratives
it fills us with misinformation it makes
it impossible to agree with each other
and in a democracy if you don’t agree
with each other and you can’t even do
compromise people recognize that
politics is invented to avoid warfare right so we have compromise and understanding so that we don’t
like physically are violent with each other
we have compromise and conversation
if social media makes compromise conversation
and undershared understanding and shared truth
impossible it doesn’t drop our societal
iq by four points it drops it to zero
because you can’t solve any problem
whether it’s human trafficking
or poverty or climate issues or
um you know racial injustice whatever it
is that you care about
it depends on us having some shared view
about what we agree on
and by the way and on the optimistic
side there are countries like taiwan
that have actually built a digital
democratic sort of social media
type thing audrey tang you should have
audrey tang on your show she’s amazing
she’s the digital minister of taiwan
and they’ve actually built a system that
rewards unlikely consensus so when two
people who would traditionally disagree
post something online um
and when when they actually two people who
traditionally disagree actually agree on something
that’s what gets boosted to the top of
the way that we look at our information feeds really yeah
so it’s about finding consensus
whether it’d be unlikely
and saying hey actually you know you joe
and tristan you typically you agree you
disagree on these six things
you agree on these three things and of
things that we’re going to encourage you
to talk about on a menu we hand you a
menu of the things you agree on
and how did they manipulate that um
honestly we did a great interview with her on our podcast um
that people can listen to
uh i think you should have iran honestly
i would love to but what does your
podcast again tell people
it’s called your undivided attention um
and with the interview is with audrey tang is her name
uh and i think that’s this is one model of how do you have
you know sort of digital media bolted
onto the top of a democracy and have it work better as opposed to how do you it just
degrades into kind of nonsense and
polarization and inability to agree
that’s such a unique situation too right
because china doesn’t recognize them and there’s
a real threat that they’re going to be invaded by china correct and so what’s interesting about
taiwan is there’s we didn’t we haven’t
talked about the disinformation issues but it’s under
like you said not just physical threat
from china but massive propaganda
disinformation campaigns are trying to run there right i’m sure and so what’s amazing is that
their digital media system is good at
um dealing with these disinformation
campaigns and conspiracy theories and other things even in the face of a huge threat like
china but there’s more binding energy in the country
because they all know
that there’s a tiny island and there’s a
looming threat of this big country
whereas the united states we’re not this
tiny island with a looming threat
elsewhere in fact many people don’t know
or don’t think that there’s actually
information warfare going on
um i actually think it’s really
important to point out to people that um
the social media is one of our biggest national security risks
because while we’re obsessed with protecting our
physical borders and building walls and
you know spending a trillion dollars
redoing the nuclear fleet
um we left the digital border wide open
like if russia or china tried to fly a plane into the united states our pentagon and
billions of dollars of defense
infrastructure from raytheon and boeing
or whatever will shoot that thing down
and it doesn’t get in if they try to
come into the country they’ll get
stopped by the passport control system
ideally if they try to fly if russia or china try to fly
an information bomb into the country
instead of being met by the department
of defense they’re met by a facebook
algorithm with a white glove that says
exactly which zip code you want to target like it’s the opposite of protection so
social media makes us more vulnerable i think of it like
if you imagine like a bank that spent billions of dollars um
you know surrounding the bank with physical bodyguards right like just the buffers guys in
every single quarter you just totally
secured the bank but then you installed
on the bank a computer system
that everyone interacts with and no one
changes the default password
from like lower case password anyone can hack in that’s what we do when we install
facebook in our society or you install facebook in ethiopia
because if you think russia or china you know or
iran or south korea or excuse me north korea um
influencing our election is bad just
keep in mind the like dozens of countries throughout africa where we actually know
recently there was a huge campaign
that the stanford cyber policy center
did a report on of russia targeting i
think something like seven or eight
major countries and disinformation
campaigns running in those countries
or the facebook whistleblower who came
out about a month ago uh
sophie zhang i think is her name
uh saying that she personally had to step in to deal with
disinformation campaigns in honduras azerbaijan um
i think greece or some other
countries like that so the scale of what these technology companies are managing
they’re managing the information
environments for all these
these countries but they don’t have the
resources to do it so they
not only that they’re not trained to do
it they’re not qualified correct they’re
making up as they go along
20 to 30 to four and they’re way behind
the curve when when i had
rene de rest on and she detailed all the issues with the uh
internet research agency in russia and
what they did during the 2016 campaign
for both sides i mean the idea is they just promoted trump but they were basically selling the seeds of uh
just the decline of the democracy
they were trying to figure out how to create turmoil
and they were doing it in this like very bizarre calculated way
that it didn’t seem it was hard to see like
what’s the end game here
well the end game is to have everybody fight
yeah i mean that’s really what the end game was
and if i’m you know one of our major adversaries
you know after world war ii
there was no ability to use kinetic like nukes or something
on the bigger countries right
like that’s all done
so the what’s the best way to take down the biggest you know country
you know on the planet on the block you use its own internal tensions
against itself this is what sun tzu
would tell you to do yeah
and that’s never been easier
because of facebook and
because of these platforms being
open to do this manipulation
and if i’m looking now we’re four days
away from the u.s elections or something
like that when this goes out jesus christ there is never we have never been more
destabilized as a country
until now i mean this is the most
disabled you probably have ever
been i would say um and polarized
um maybe people would argue the civil
war was worse but in recent history
um there is maximum incentive
for foreign actors to drive up again not
one side or the other but to drive us
into conflict so i would really
you know i think what we all need to do
is recognize how much incentive there is
to plant stories to actually have so
physical violence on the streets i think
there was just a story
wasn’t we talking about this morning that um
there’s some kind of truck i
think in philadelphia or dc
loaded with explosives or something like
this there’s there’s such an incentive to try to you know throw the agent provocateur
like throw the first stone throw the first um
you know molotov cocktail throw the first uh
you know make the first shot fired uh
to drive up that conflict
and i think we have to
realize how much that may be artificially motivated very much so and the rene de resta
podcast that i did where she went into
depth about all the different
ways that they did it and the most curious one being funny memes yep that there’s so many of
the memes that you read that you laughed at yeah well there’s it was just so weird
that’s they were humorous and she said she
looked at probably a hundred thousand memes and the funny thing is you actually can
agree with them right like they should
you would you would laugh at them
like oh you know and they’re being
constructed by foreign agents
that are doing this to try to mock
certain aspects of our society
and pit people against each other and create a mockery and you know back in 2016 there was no
there’s very little
collaboration between our defense
industry and cia and dod and people like that uh
and the tech platforms and the tech
platform said it’s government’s job to
deal with if foreign actors are doing these things how do you stop something like the ira
like say if they’re creating memes in
particular and they’re funny memes
well so one of the issues that renee
brings up and i’m just a huge fan of her and her work uh
is as am i yeah uh
is that if i’m you know china
i i don’t need to invent some fake news
story i just find someone in your
society who’s already saying what i
want you to be talking about and i just
like amplify them up i take that dial
and i just turn it up to ten right so i find your texas secessionists and like oh texas
that would be a good thing if i’m trying
to rip the country apart so i’m going to
take those tested secessionists and the california secessionists and i’m just going to dial them up to
- so those are the ones we hear from
now if you’re trying to stop me in your
facebook and you’re the
integrity team or something on what
grounds are you trying to stop me
because it’s your own people your own free speech i’m just the one amplifying the one i
want to be out there
right and so that’s what gets tricky
about this is i think our moral
concepts that we hold so dear of free
speech are inadequate in an attention
economy that is hackable
and it’s really more about what’s
getting the attention rather than what
are individuals saying or can’t say
and you know again they’ve created this
frankenstein where they’re making mostly automated decisions about who’s looking like what
pattern behavior or coordinated and
authentic behavior here or that and
they’re shutting down
people i don’t know if people know this
people facebook shut down two billion
fake accounts i think this is a stat
from a year ago
they shut down two billion fake accounts
they have three billion active real users
do you think that those two billion were the perfect
like real you know real fake accounts
and they didn’t miss any or they didn’t overwhelm
and took some real accounts down with it you know
our friend brett weinstein he just got taken down by facebook
i think he saw that
that seemed calculated though
facebook has shut down 5.4 billion fake accounts this year
and that was in november 29th
oh my god
oh my god that is insane that’s so many
and so again it’s the scale that these things are operating at
and that’s why you know when brett got his thing taken down
i didn’t like that but i
it’s not like there’s this vendetta against brett right
oh i don’t know about that that seemed to me to be a calculated thing
because uh
you know eric uh
actually tweeted about it saying that
you know you could probably find the tweet
because i retweeted it
like basically it was reviewed by a
person so you’re lying
he’s like this is not something that was
uh taken down by an algorithm he
believes that it was
because it was unity 2020 platform
where they’re trying to bring together
conservatives and and liberals
and try to find some common ground and
create like a third party candidate that combines the best of both worlds
i don’t understand what policy his uni unity 2020 thing was going up
against like i have no idea he’s going
against a two-party system
the idea is that it’s taking away votes
from biden and then it might help trump win right banned him off twitter as well you
know that too they they blocked the
account or something from they
they banned the entirety they banned the
20 unity 2020 account yeah
unity yeah i mean literally unity
they’re like nope no unity BLEEPED you
we want biden yeah the political bias on social media is undeniable and that’s
maybe the least of our concerns in the long run but it’s a tremendous issue
and it also it it for sure sows the seeds of discontent
and it creates more animosity and it creates more conflict the interesting thing is that
if i’m one of our adversaries
i see that there is this view that
people don’t like the social media
platforms that i want them
to be more like let’s say i’m rushing
china right and i’m currently using
facebook and twitter successfully to run information campaigns and then i want them i can actually
plant a story so that they end up
shutting it down and shutting down
conservatives or shutting down one side
which then forces the platforms to open
up more so that i then russia china can
keep manipulating even more i understand yeah so right now they
want it to be a free-for-all where
there’s no moderation at all
because that allows them to get in
and they can weaponize the conversation
against itself right i don’t see a way out of this tristan we have to all be aware of it i
mean even if we are
all aware of it it seems so pervasive
yeah well it’s not just pervasive it’s
like we said it’s
we’re 10 years into this hypnosis experiment this is the largest psychological
experiment we’ve ever run on humanity
it’s insane
it is insane and it and it’s also with
tools that never existed before
evolutionarily so like we would we
really are not designed
just the way these brightly lit metal
devices and glass devices
interact with your brain they’re so enthralling right we’ve never had to resist anything
like this before with the things we’ve
had to resist is don’t go to the bar
you know you have an alcohol problem
stop smoking cigarettes it’ll give you cancer right we’ve never had a thing that does so much right
you can call your mom you can text
a good friend you can
you can receive your news you can get an
amazing email about this project you’re working at and it could suck up your time staring
at butts and the
and the infusion of the things that you
that are necessary for life like text messaging or like looking something up are infused
and right next to
right all of the sort of corrupt stuff
right and if you’re using it to order
food and if you’re using it to
get an uber and right but imagine if we
all wiped our phones of all the
extractive business model stuff and we
only had the tools
have you thought about using a light
phone yeah it’s funny i
those guys just to be brought up in my
awareness more more often
um for those who don’t know it’s like
it’s like a mini
one of the guys on the documentary is
one of the creators of it right
no i think you’re thinking of tim kendall who started he’s the guy who invented who brought in
facebook’s business model of advertising
and he runs a company now called moment that shows you uh
the number of hours you spend on
different apps and helps you use it
someone involved in the documentary was also a part of the light phone team no no no
not not officially no i don’t think so
um but the light phone is like a
basically a thing black and white black and white phone things text
and i think it does it plays music now which i was like well that’s a
mistake right like that’s a slippery slope that’s the thing
and we have to all be comfortable with losing access to things that we might
love right like oh maybe you do want to
take notes this time but you don’t have
your full keyboard to do that and are you willing to i think the thing is one thing people
can do is to take like a digital sabbath
one day a week off completely
because at the very
imagine if if you got several hundred
million people to do that that drops the
revenue of these companies by 15
because that’s one out of seven days
that you’re not on the system so long as
you don’t rebalance and
use it more on the other days i’m
inclined to think that apple’s
their solution is really the way out of this that to opt out of all sharing of your information and uh
if if they could come up with
some sort of a social media platform
that kept that as an ethic
yeah i mean it might allow us to
communicate with each other
but stop all this algorithm nonsense and
it’s look if anybody has the power to do
it they have so much goddamn money
totally well and also they’re like that
you know people talk about
you know the government regulating these
platforms but apple is kind of the government that can regulate the attention economy
because when they do this thing we talked about earlier of um
saying do you want to be tracked right and they give you this option when
like 99 of people are gonna say no i
don’t want to be tracked right when they
do that they just put a 30
tax on all the advertising-based businesses
because now you don’t get as personalized in ad right
which means they make less money
which means that business model is less
attractive to venture capitalists to
fund the next thing which means
so they’re actually enacting right a
kind of a carbon tax but it’s like a
uh you know on the polluting stuff right
they’re enacting a kind of
um social media polluting stuff they’re
taxing by 30 but they could do more than that like imagine you know they have this 30 70 split on um
app developers get 70 of the revenue
when you buy stuff and apple keeps 30 percent they could modify that percentage based
on how much sort of social
value that those things are delivering to society so this gets a little bit weird people
may not like this but if you think about
who’s the real customer that we want to be like how do we want things oriented how
should we if i’m an app developer i want
to make money the more i’m helping
society and helping individuals not how
much i’m extracting and stealing their time and attention um
and imagine that governments in the future actually paid um
like some kind of budget into let’s say the app store there’s anti-trust issues
with this but you pay money into the app store and then as apps started helping people
with more social outcomes like let’s say
learning programs or schools or things
like khan academy things like this
that more money flows in the direction
of where people got that value
and it was that that revenue split
between apple and the app developers
um ends up going more to things that end
up helping people as opposed to things
that were just good at capturing attention and monetizing uh
zombie behavior one of my favorite
lines in the film is justin rosenstein
from the like button
um saying that you know so long as a
whale is worth more dead
than alive and a tree is worth more as lumber and two-by-fours than a living tree now
we’re the whale
we’re the tree we’re worth more when we have predictable zombie-like behaviors when
we’re more addicted distracted outraged polarized and disinformed
than if we’re a living thriving citizen or a growing child
that’s like playing with their friends
and i think that that kind of distinction
that just like we protect national parks
or we protect you know certain fisheries
and we don’t kill the whales in those areas
or something we need to really protect
like we have to call out what’s sacred to us now
yeah it’s um
it’s an excellent message
my problem that i see is that
i just don’t know how well that message
is going to be absorbed on the people that are already in the trance i mean i think it’s
so difficult for people to put things
down i mean how like i was telling you
how difficult it is to for me to tell my
friends don’t read the comments
right you know right it’s it’s hard to
have that kind of discipline and it’s
hard to have that kind of
because people do get bored and when
they get bored like if you’re waiting in line for somewhere you pull out your phone
you’re at the doctor’s office you pull out your phone like totally i mean and that’s why
you know and i do that right i mean this
is incredible right this is incredibly hard um
back in the day uh
when i was at
google trying to change
i tried to change google from the inside
for two years before leaving what was it like there pl please share your experiences
because when you said you tried to change it
from the inside what kind of resistance
were you met with and what was their
reaction to these thoughts that you had
about the unbelievable negative consequences of well this is in 2013 so we didn’t know
about all the negative consequences but
you saw the writing on the wall
at least some of it some of it yeah i
mean the notion that things were
competing for attention which would mean
that they would need to compete to get
more and more persuasive and hack more
and more of our vulnerabilities and that
that would grow that was the core insight i didn’t know that it would lead to
polarization or conspiracy theory
like recommendations but i would i did
know you know more addiction
kids having less you know weaker
relationships when did it
occur to you like what were your initial feelings um
i was on a hiking trip in the santa cruz
mountains with our co-founder now
um aza raskin um
it’s funny enough our
co-founder aiza
his dad was jeff raskin who invented the
macintosh project at apple i don’t know
if you know the history there but
he started the macintosh project and
actually came up with the word
um humane to describe the humane
interface and that’s where our name
and our work comes from is from his
father’s work he and i were in the
mountains in santa cruz and just experiencing nature and just came back and realized like
this all of this stuff that we’ve built
is just distracting us
from the stuff that’s really important
and that’s when coming back from that trip um
i made the first google deck that
then spread virally throughout the
company saying never before in history
have you know 50 designers uh
you know white 20 to 35 year old engineers who look like me
to hold the collective psyche of humanity
and then that presentation was released
and about you know 10 000 people at
google saw it it was actually the number one um
meme within the company they have
this internal thing inside of google called moma that has like people can post like gifs
and memes about various topics
and it was the number one meme that hey
we need to talk about this
at this week’s tgif which is the like
weekly thank god it’s friday type
company meeting um
it didn’t get talked
about but i got emails from across the company
saying we definitely need to do something about this
it was just very hard to get momentum on it
and really the key interfaces to change within
google are chrome and android
because those are the neutral portals
into which you’re then using
apps and notifications and websites and
all of that like those are the kind of
governments of the attention economy that google runs and when you work there did they um
did you have to use android was it part of the requirement to work there no i mean a
lot of people had android phones i still used an iphone was it an issue no no i mean people
because they realized that they needed
products to work on on all the phones i
mean if you worked directly on android then you would have to use an android phone but we
tried to get you know some of those things like the screen time features that are now
launched you know so everyone now has on their phone like it shows you the number of hours or
whatever is that on android as well it
is yeah and actually that came i think
as a result of this
advocacy and that’s shipping on a
billion phones which shows you you can
you can change this stuff right like
that goes against their financial interest people spending less time in their
phones getting less notifications it does but it doesn’t work well correct so it
doesn’t actually work is the thing
yeah and let’s separate the intention
and the fact that they did it it’s like
labels on cigarettes that tell you it’s
going to give you cancer like by the
time you’re buying them you’re already hooked correct i mean it’s even worse imagine like um
every cigarette cigarette box had like
um a little pencil inside so you can
mark there’s like little streaks that
said the number of days in a row you
haven’t smoked and you could like mark
each day it’s like it’s too late
right right like yeah um
it’s just the wrong paradigm um
the fundamental thing we have to
change is the incentives and how money flows
because we want money flowing in the
direction of the more these things help us like leave me a concrete example like let’s say um
you want to learn a musical instrument
and you go to youtube to pick up ukulele or whatever um
and you’re seeing how to play the ukulele like from that point in a system that was designed in a
humane and sort of time well-spent kind of way it would really ask you instead of
saying here’s 20 more videos that are
going to just like suck you down a rabbit hole it would sort of be more oriented
towards what do you really need help with like do you need to buy ukulele here’s a
link to amazon to get the ukulele are
you looking for a ukulele teacher let me
do a quick scan on your facebook or
twitter search to find out which of
those people are ukulele teachers
do you need instant like tutoring
because there’s actually the service you
never heard of called skillshare or something like that where you can get instant ukulele
tutoring and if we’re really designing
these things to be about
what would most help you next you know
we’re only as good as the menu of
choices on life’s menu and right now the menu is here’s something else to addict you and
keep you hooked instead of here’s a next
step that would actually be
on the trajectory of helping people live their lives better
but you’d have to incentivize the companies
because like there’s so much incentive on getting you addicted
because there’s so much financial reward what would be the financial reward that
they could have to
get you something that would be helpful
for you like lessons or this
i mean so one way that could work is
like let’s say people pay a monthly
subscription of like i don’t know 20
bucks a month or something so it’s never gonna work i get you but like let’s say you pay
some you put money into a pot
where the possibility but then we have
the problem the problem is like
it costs some money versus free like
there was a um
there’s a company that
still exists for now that uh
was trying to do the netflix of podcasting and uh
they they approached us and
they’re like we’re just gonna get all
these people together and they’re gonna make them people gonna pay to use your podcast i’m
like why would they do that when
podcasts are free yeah like that’s one
of the reasons why podcasts work is
because they’re free
right when things are free they’re
they’re attractive
it’s easy when things cost money you
have to have something that’s extraordinary like netflix
yeah like when you say the netflix of podcasting well
netflix makes their own shows right they spend millions of dollars on special effects
and all these different things and
they’re really like enormous projects like
you’re you’re just talking about people talking
BLEEPED and you want money right well
that’s the thing is we have to actually
deliver something that’s totally qualitatively better right and would also have to be like someone
like you or someone who’s really aware of the
issues that we’re dealing with with
addictions to social media should have
to say this is this is the
best possible alternative like in this environment you are you yes you are paying a certain
amount of money per month
but maybe that could get factored into
your cell phone bill
and maybe with this sort of an ecosystem
right you’re no longer being uh
drawn in
by your addictions and you know it’s not
playing for your attention span
it’s rewarding you in a very productive way and imagine joe if like 15 more of your time
was just way better spent like he was
actually spent on you were
actually doing the things you cared
about and it actually helped improve
your life yeah like imagine when you use
email if it was truly designed
i mean forget email people don’t relate to that
because email isn’t that popular but whatever it is that’s a huge time sync
for you for me email’s a huge one for me
you know web browsing or whatever is a
big one imagine that those things were
so much better designed that i
actually wrote back to the right emails
and i mostly didn’t think about the rest
that when i was spending time on you
know whatever i was spending time on that it was really my my more and more of my life
was a life well lived and time well
spent that’s like the retrospective view
i keep going to apple but
because i think that the only social media comp or
excuse me the only technology company
that does have these ethics to sort of protect privacy
have you thought about coming to them
yep have you well i mean i i think that they’ve made
great first steps and they were the
first along with google to do those
the screen time management stuff but
that was just this
barely scratching the surface like baby
baby baby steps like what we really need them to do is radically um
reimagine how those incentives and how the phone
fundamentally works so it’s not just
all these colorful icons and one of the
problems they do have a disincentive
which is a lot of the revenue comes from
gaming and as they move more into
apple tv competing with hbo and hulu and
netflix and that whole thing where they
they need subscriptions so the
apple’s revenue on devices and hardware
is sort of maxing out
and where they’re going to get their
next bout of revenue to keep their stock price up is on these subscriptions i am less
concerned with those addictions
i’m less concerned with gaming
addictions than i have information addictions
because at least it’s not
fundamentally altering your view of the
world right it’s screwing up democracy
and making it impossible to agree well
and this is coming from a person that’s had like legitimate video game addictions in the past but uh
like my wife is addicted to subway surfer like i don’t know what it is it’s a
crazy game it’s like you’re riding on
the top of subways you jumping around
it’s like
it’s really ridiculous but it’s fun like
you watch like whoa but i don’t BLEEPED
with video games but i watch it and
it’s those games at least
are enjoyable there’s something silly
about it like ah
BLEEPED and then you start doing it again
when i see people getting angry about
things on social media i don’t see
the upside right i don’t mind them
making a profit off games
there is an issue though with games that
addict children and then these children
there’s like you could spend money on like roadblocks and you can you know have all these
different things you spend money on you wind up you know you’re having these enormous
bills you leave your kid with an ipad
and you come back you have a 500
bill like what did you do yeah this is
this is an issue for sure but at least
it’s not an issue
in that it’s changing their view of of
the world right and i i feel like
there’s a way
for i keep going back to apple but a company like apple to rethink the way that you know they
already have a walled garden right with imessage and facetime and all this different i can
totally build those things out i mean
imessage in icloud could be
the basis for some new neutral social
media yeah it’s not based on instant
social approval and rewards right yes
they can make it easier to share
information with small groups of friends
and have that all synced and even
you know in the pre-covet days i was
thinking about apple a lot i think
you’re right by the way to really poke
on them i think they’re the one company
that’s in a position
to lead on this and they also have a
history of thinking along those lines
you know they had this feature that’s
kind of hidden now but to find my
friends right they call it find my now
it’s all buried together so you can find your devices and find your friends but in a
pre-coveted world imagine they really built out the you know where are my friends right
now and making it easier to know when
you’re nearby someone
so you can easily more easily get
together in person so right now all the
like to the extent facebook wants to
bring people closer together they don’t
want to and again this is pre-coveted but they don’t want to incentivize lots and
lots of facebook events they really care
about groups that keep people posting it
online and looking at ads
because of the category of bringing people
closer together they want to do the
online screen time based version of that
right as opposed to the offline
apple by contrast if you had little
imessage groups of friends you could say
hey does everyone in this little group
want to opt into being able to see where
each other are where we all
are on say weekdays between 5 and 8 pm
or something like that so you could like time bound it and make it easier for serendipitous
connection and availability to happen
that’s hard to do it’s hard to design
that but there’s things like that that
apple’s in a position to do
if it really took on that mantle and i
think as people get more and more
skeptical of these other
products they’re in a better and better
position to do that
one of the antitrust issues is
do we want a world where our entire well-being as a society
depends on what one massive corporation worth over a trillion dollars does or doesn’t do
right like we need more openness to try different things and
we’re really at the behest of whether one or two companies apple or google
does something more radical
and there has to be some massive
incentive for them to do something
that’s really going to change
yeah the way we interface with these
devices and the way we interface with social media and i don’t know what incentive exists
it’s more potent than financial
incentives well and this is where the
you know if the government in the same
way that we want to transition long term uh
from a fossil fuels oriented economy
to something that that doesn’t
um that changes the kind of pollution levels uh
you know we have a hugely emitting um
you know society ruining kind of
business model of this attention extractive paradigm and we could long term sort of just like
a progressive tax on that
transition to some other thing the
government could do that right um
that’s not like who do we censor it’s
how do we disincentivize these
businesses to pay for the
sort of life support systems of society
that they’ve ruined a good example of this
i think in australia is there um
i think it’s australia
that’s regulated
that google and facebook have to pay the
publishers who they’re basically hollowing out
because one of the effects
we’ve not talked about
is the way that google and facebook have
hollowed out the fourth estate in journalism i mean
because journalism has turned
into in local web news websites
can’t make any money except by basically producing click bait so even to the extent that local
newspapers exist they only exist by basically click betification of even lower and lower paid you know
workers who are just generating content farms right so anyway so that’s an example of
if you force those companies to
pay to to revitalize the fourth estate
and to make sure we have a
very sustainably funded fourth estate
that doesn’t have to produce this clickbait stuff uh
that’s that’s you know another direction yeah that uh
that’s interesting that they have to pay i mean these are the wealthiest
companies in like the history of humanity right so that’s the thing so we
shouldn’t be cautious about how much
they should have to pay
except we also don’t want to happen on
the other end right you don’t want to
have a world where
you know we have roundup making a crazy amount of money from giving everybody cancer and lymphoma from uh
you know all the chemicals right glyphosates and then they pay everybody on the other end
after a lawsuit of a billion dollars but
now everyone’s got cancer let’s actually
do it in a way
so we don’t want a world where facebook and google profit off of the erosion of our social fabric
and then they pay us back
how do you quantify how how much money
they have to pay
to journalism yeah it seems like it’s almost a form of socialism or yeah i mean this
is where like that
the iq led example is interesting
because they were able to
disincentivize and tax the lead producers
because they were able to produce some
results on how much this lowered the
wage earning potentials of the entire
population i mean like how much does
this cost our society we used to say
free is the most expensive business
model we’ve ever created
because we get the free downgrading of
our attention spans our mental health
our kids like our ability to agree with
each other our capacity to do anything as a democracy like yeah we got all that for free
wonderful obviously we get lots of
benefits and i want to
acknowledge that but that’s just not
sustainable the real question i mean
right now we’re
we have huge existential problems we
have a global competition power competition going on
i think china just passed the gdp of the us
i believe there is you know if
if we care about the us having a future in which it can lead the world in in some meaningful and enlightened way
we have to deal with this problem
and we have to have a world where digital democracy outcompetes digital authoritarianism
which is the china model
and right now that builds more coherence
and is more efficient and doesn’t evolve the way that our current system you know does
i think taiwan estonia and countries like that where
they are doing digital democracies are
good examples that we can learn from
but we’re behind right now well china
also has a really fascinating situation with huawei where google is banned huawei
so you can’t have google applications on
huawei so now huawei is creating their own operating system and they have their own
ecosystem now that they’re building up
and that’s you know it’s it’s weird that
there’s only a few different operating systems now i mean there’s a very small amount of
people using linux phones
then you have a large amount of people
using android and iphones and if china
becomes the first to
adopt their own operating system and then they have even more unchecked rules and
regulations in regards to like
the influence they have over their
people with an operating system that
they’ve developed
and they control and who knows what kind
of back doors and
spying tons yeah it’s
it’s weird yeah when you see this
do you like it feels
so futile for me on the outside looking in looking but you you’re working on this
how long do you anticipate is going to be a part of your
life i mean what does it feel like to you [Music] um
i mean it’s not easy right um
in the film ends with this question
do you think we’re gonna get there
yeah i just say we have to like i mean
if you care about this going well i wake
up every day and i ask
what will it take for this whole thing
to go well like
and how do we just orient each of our
choices as much as possible
towards this going well we have a whole
bunch of problems i do
look a lot at the environmental issues
the permafrost methane bombs like
the timelines that we have to deal with
certain problems are crunching and we
also have certain dangerous exponential
technologies that are emerging
decentralization of you know crispr and
like there’s a lot of existential
threats i hang out with a lot with the
sort of existential threats community
it’s going to take it must be a lot of fun it’s uh
there’s a lot of psychological
problems in that community actually
a lot of depression there’s only an
imaginary suicide as well
it’s it’s uh
you know it’s
it’s hard but i i think we each have a
responsibility when you see this stuff to say what will it take for this to go well
and i will say that really seeing
the film impact people the way that it has i i used to feel like oh my god how are
we ever going to do this no one cares
like none of people know
right at the very least we now have about 50
40 to 50 million people
who are at least introduced to the problem
the question is how do we harness them
into a collective movement and that’s
what we’re trying to do next i mean i
i’ll say also these issues get
more and more weird over time my
co-founder is raskin will say that it’s
making reality more and more virtual over time
because we haven’t talked about how as technology advances
at hacking our weaknesses we start to
prefer it over the real thing we start
for example there’s a recent company vc funded
raised like i think it’s worth like over 125 million dollars
and what they make are virtual influencers
so these are like virtual people virtual video
that is more entertaining more interesting
and that fans like more than real people
oh boy and it’s kind of related to the kind of
deep fake world right where like people
prefer this to the real thing and cheri turkel um
you know who’s been working at mit
wrote the book reclaiming conversation
and alone together she’s been talking
about this forever that
over time humans will prefer connection to robots and bots
and the computer generated thing more than the real thing
think about ai generated music being more it’ll start to sweeten our taste buds and give us exactly that
thing we’re looking for better than we will know ourselves just like youtube can give us the
perfect next video that actually every
bone in our body will say actually i
kind of do want to watch that even
though it’s a machine pointed at my
brain calculating the next thing
there’s an example from microsoft
writing this chat bot called
xiaoice i couldn’t pronounce it that
after nine weeks people
preferred that chatbot to their real friends and 25 or
10 10 to 25 percent of their users
actually said i love you to the chatbot
oh boy and that many there are several
who actually said that it convinced them not to commit suicide to have this relationship with
this chatbot so it’s her
it’s her it’s the movie exactly which is
what so all these things are the same right we’re veering into a direction where
technology if it’s so good at meeting these underlying paleolithic emotions that we have
the way out of it is we have to see that
this is what’s going on we have to see
and reckon with ourselves saying this is
how i work i have this negativity bias
if i get those 99 comments and one spot
one’s positive comments and one’s negative
my mind is going to go to the negative
i don’t see that
i see you in the future wearing an overcoat you’re you are literally lawrence
fishburne in the matrix
trying to tell people to wake up well
that’s there’s a line in the social
dilemma where i say how do you wake up
from the matrix if you don’t know you’re in the matrix well that is the issue right and i even
in the matrix we at least had a shared
matrix the problem now is that in the
matrix each of us have our own matrix
that’s the real kicker
i struggle with the idea that this is all inevitable
because this is a natural
course of progression with technology
and that it’s sort of figuring out the best way to to have us with
as little resistance embed ourselves into its system and that our ideas are what we are
with emotions and with our biological
uh issues that this is just how life is
and this is how life always should be
but this is just all we’ve ever known
that’s all we’ve ever known einstein
didn’t write into the laws of physics
that social media has to exist for
humanity right right we’ve gotten rid
again the environmental movement is a
really interesting example
because we passed all sorts of laws we got rid of lead we’ve changed
from you know some of our pesticides um
you know we’re slow on some of these things
and corporate interests and asymmetric power of large corporations
you know which i want to say markets and capitals are great
is that when you have asymmetric power for predatory systems
that that cause harm they’re not going to uh terminate themselves
they have to be bound in by the public by culture by by the state and um
we just have to point to the
examples where we’ve done that
and in this case i think the prob
the problem is that how much of our stock market
is built on the back of like five companies generating a huge amount of wealth
so this is similar i don’t mean to make this example but um
there’s a great book by um adam hokeshield
called bury the chains which is about
the british abolition of slavery
in which he talks about how for the
british empire like if you think about it when when we collectively wake up and
say this is an abhorrent practice that has to end but then at that time in the 17 1800s
in britain slavery was what powered the
entire economy it was free labor
for you know huge percentage of the
economy so if you say we can’t do this anymore we have to stop this
how do you decouple when your entire economy is based on slavery right
and the book is actually inspiring
because it tracks a collective movement that was through
networked all these different groups the quakers uh
in the u.s the uh
people testifying before parliament
the former slaves who did first-hand accounts
the graphics and art of all the people had never seen what it looked like on a slave ship
and so by making the invisible visceral and showing just how abhorrent this stuff was
through a period of about 60 to 70 years the british empire had to drop their gdp by 2 every year
for 60 years and willing to do that to get off of slavery
now i’m not making a moral equivalent
i want to be really clear for everybody taking things out of context um
but just that it’s possible for us to do something
that isn’t just in the interest of economic growth and i think that’s the real challenge
that’s actually something that should be on the agenda
which is how do we one of the major tensions is economic growth
you know being in conflict with dealing
with some with many of our problems
whether it’s some of the environmental issues or you know with some of the technology
issues we’re talking about right now
artificial intelligence is something
that people are terrified of as an
existential threat they think of it as
one day you’re going to turn something
on and it’s going to be sentient
it’s going to be able to create other
forms of artificial intelligence that
are exponentially more powerful than the
one that we created
and that will have unleashed this beast
that we cannot control
what my concern is with all this yeah
that’s my concern my concern is that this this is a a slow acceptance of drowning
yeah that’s like a slow we’re okay i’m only up to my knees oh it’s fine
it’s just uh
my waist high it could be boiling water exactly exactly it seems like
this is like humans have to fight back to reclaim our autonomy and free will from
the machines i mean
one clear okay neo it’s very much
the matrix and one of my favorite lines
is actually when the oracle says to neo
and don’t worry about the vase and he
says what face and he knocks it over
that face and so it’s like she’s the ai
who sees so many moves ahead in the chess board she can say something which will cause
him to do the thing that verifies the
thing that she predicted what happened
yeah that’s what ai is doing now except
it’s pointed at our nervous system
and figuring out the perfect thing to dangle in front of our dopamine system
and get the thing to happen which
instead of knocking off the vases to be
outraged at the other political side and
be fully certain that you’re right even
though it’s just a machine that’s
calculating BLEEPED that’s going to make you you know do the thing when you’re
concerned about this how much time do
you spend thinking about simulation theory
the simulation yeah
the idea that it if not currently one day there will be a simulation that’s indiscernible
yeah from regular reality and it seems we’re on that path
i don’t know if you mess around with vr at all but well
this is the point about you know the virtual chat bots
out competing for exactly the technology you know
i mean that’s what’s happening is that reality is getting more and more virtual right
because we interact with a virtual news system
that’s all this sort of click-bait economy outrage machine
that’s already a virtual political environment that then translates into real world action then
becomes real and that’s the weird feedback go back to 1990 whatever it was
when the internet became mainstream or at least started becoming mainstream
and then the small amount of time that
it took the 20 plus years to get to where we are now
and then think what what about the virtual world and once this becomes something that’s
has the same sort of rate of growth that
the internet has experienced or that
we’ve experienced through the internet
i mean we’re looking at like 20 years
from now being unrecognizable
yeah we’re looking at i mean it’s it
almost seems like that
is what life does the same way bees create bee hives you know a caterpillar doesn’t
know what the BLEEPED going on when it
gets into that cocoon but it’s becoming a butterfly we seem to be a thing
that creates newer and better
objects correct more effective but we have to realize ai is not conscious and won’t be
conscious the way we are and so
many people think that but is consciousness essential i think so to us
i don’t know essentially we’re the only
ones who have it no i don’t know that
no theory but there might be more yeah
things that have consciousness but
is it is it essential i mean it’s the to
the extent that choice
exists it would exist through some kind of consciousness and this choice is choice essential
it’s essential to us as we know it like
as life as we know it
but my worry is that we’re in essential that like we we’re thinking now like
single-celled organisms being like hey i
don’t want to
gang up with a bunch of other people and
become an object that can walk
i like being a single cell organism this
is a lot of fun i mean i hear you saying
you know are we a bootloader for the ai that then runs that’s eli’s perspective i mean i think
this is a really dangerous way to think
i mean we have to
yeah so are we then dangerous for us yeah i mean what if the next version of the life is
the next version being run by machines
that have no values that don’t care that
don’t have choice and are just
maximizing for things that were
programmed in by our little miniature brains anyway but they don’t cry they don’t commit
suicide but then consciousness and life dies that could be the future i think this is
the last chance to try to snap out of that and is it important in the eyes of the
universe that we do that i don’t know it
feels important how does it feel to you
it feels important but i
i’m i’m a monkey you know the monkey’s like i’m staying in this tree man you guys
are out of your BLEEPED mind i mean this
is the weird paradox of being human is
that again we have these lower level
emotions we care about social approval
we can’t not care at the same time like i said there’s this weird proposition here
we’re the only species that if this were
to happen to us
we would have the self-awareness to even
know that it was happening
right like we can consent like this
two-hour interview we can conceptualize
that this this thing has happened to us
right that we have built this matrix
this external object which has like ai
and supercomputers and voodoo doll
versions of each of us
and it has perfectly figured out how to
predictably move each of us in this matrix
let me propose this to you
we are what we are now human beings homo sapiens in 2020.
we we are this thing that uh
if you believe in evolution i’m
pretty sure you do
we’ve evolved over the course of
millions of years to become who we are right now should we stop right here are we done no
right we should keep it evolving
what does it look like if we go ahead
just forget about social media
what would you like us to be
in a thousand years or a hundred thousand years
or five hundred thousand years you certainly wouldn’t want us
to be what we are right now right
no one would no i mean i think this is
what visions of star trek and things
like that we’re trying to ask right like hey let’s imagine humans do make it and we
become the most enlightened we can be
and we actually somehow make peace with
these other you know alien tribes
and we figure out you know space travel
and all of that i mean actually a good heuristic that i think
people can ask is on an enlightened
planet where we did figure this out
what would that have looked like isn’t
it always weird that those movies
it’s people are just people but they’re
in some weird future but they haven’t
really changed that much
right i mean and which is to say that
the fundamental way that we work is
just unchanging but there are such
things as more wise societies more
sustainable societies more peaceful or harmonious societies ultimately biologically
we have to evolve as well but our version of like the best version
is probably the gray aliens
right maybe so that’s the ultimate
future i mean we’re going to get into
gene editing and becoming more
perfect perfect on the sense of you know that but uh
we’re going to start optimizing for
what are the outcomes that we value i
think the question is how do we actually
come up with brand new values
that are wiser than we’ve ever thought
of before that actually are able to
transcend the win lose games that lead
to omni lose lose that everyone loses
if we keep playing the win lose game at
greater and greater scales
i like you have a vested interest in the
biological existence of human beings
i think people are pretty cool yeah i
love being around them i enjoy talking to you today my fear is that we are
we’re we’re a model t right you know and
there’s there’s no sense in making those
BLEEPED things anymore the brakes are terrible they smell like BLEEPED when you drive them
they don’t go very fast
we need a better version you know the funny thing is god there’s some quote by someone i
think like i wish i could remember it
it’s something about how much would be solved
if we were at peace with ourselves
like if we were able to just be okay with nothing
like just being okay with living and breathing
i don’t mean to be you know playing the woo new age card i just genuinely mean
how much of our lives is just running away from
you know anxiety and discomfort and aversion
it is but you know in that sense
some of the most satisfied and happy people
are people that live a subsistence living
that have these subsistence existences in the middle of nowhere
just chopping trees and catching fish right
and more connection probably yeah authentic than something else i think that’s
probably resonates biologically too
because of the history of human
beings living like that is just
so much longer and greater totally and i
think that those are more sustainable societies we can never obtain peace in the outer
world until we make
peace with ourselves dalai lama yeah but
i don’t buy that guy
you know that guy he’s uh
he’s an interesting case i was thinking there was a different
slightly different quote but actually
there’s one quote that i would love to
if it’s possible one of the reasons why
i don’t buy him he’s just
chosen they just chose that guy yeah
also he doesn’t have sex wait how how um
yeah how much can you be enjoying
life if that’s not not a party come on bro you wear the same outfit every day the
BLEEPED out of here with your orange robes
can i there’s a there’s a really um
important quote that i i think would
really be good to share
uh it’s from the book have you read
amusing ourselves death by neil postman no from 1982 no um
so especially when we get into big tech and
we talk about censorship a lot and we talk about orwell um
he has this really wonderful opening to this book it was written in 1982 it literally
predicts everything that’s going on now
i frankly think that
i’m adding nothing and it’s really just
neil postman called it all in 1982.
uh he had this great opening it says
um let’s see we’re all looking out for
you know 1984 when the year came and the prophecy didn’t
thoughtful americans sang softly in
praise of themselves the roots of
liberal democracy had held
this is like we made it through the 1984 gap wherever else the terror had happened
we at least had not been visited by orwellian nightmares but we had
forgotten that alongside orwell’s dark vision there was another slightly older
slightly less well-known
equally chilling vision of aldous
huxley’s brave new world
contrary to common belief even among the educated
huxley and orwell did not prophecy the same thing
orwell warns that we will become overwhelmed overcome by an externally imposed oppression but
in huxley’s vision
no big brother is required to deprive
people of their autonomy maturity or history as he saw it
people will come to love their oppression to adore the technologies that undo
their capacities to think
what orwell feared were those who would ban books what huxley feared was that there would
be no reason to ban a book
for there would be no one who wanted to
read one orwell feared those who would
deprive us of information
huxley feared those who would give us so
much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism
orwell feared the truth would be concealed from us
huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance
orwell feared we would become a captive
culture but huxley feared we would become a trivial culture preoccupied with some
equivalent of the feelis
and the orgy porgy and the centrifugal
bumble puppy don’t know what that means
as huxley remarked in brave new world
revisited the civil libertarians
and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account
man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions lastly in 1984 orwell added people are
all people are controlled by inflicting pain
in brave new world they are controlled by inflicting pleasure in short or well
feared that what we fear will ruin us
huxley fear that what we desire will ruin us
holy BLEEPED
isn’t that good
that’s that’s the best way to end this god damn
but again if we can become aware that this is what’s happened
we’re the only species with the capacity
to see that our own psychology our own emotions
our own paleolithic evolutionary system has been hijacked
i like that you’re optimism is probably the only way to live in a meat suit body and keep going
otherwise it certainly helps yeah it certainly helps
thank you very much for being here man
i really enjoy this even though i’m really depressed now
i really don’t want you to be depressed
i really hope people you know
i’m kidding we’re not
we really want to build a movement and and uh
you know we’re just
i wish i could give people more
resources we do have a podcast um
called undivided attention
and we’re trying to build a movement at humanetech.com
but well listen any new revelations or new developments
that you have i’d be more than happy to have you on again
we’ll talk about them and send them to me
and i’ll put them on social media and whatever you need
awesome i’m here to help
awesome man
great great to be here resist yeah
grizzly together humanity resist humanity
we’re in this together
thank you tristan
i really really appreciate it
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Joe Rogan Experience #1555 – Alex Jones & Tim Dillon text mode
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0:11 Jamie is back
0:20 Jamie cant taste
0:40 Introduces Alex & Tim
1:30 Ghislane Maxwell & her family
2:35 Alex learned about Epstein 20 years ago
3:36 The Borat movie & Bruno
6:36 Sacha Baron Cohen tried to cancel Alex
7:48 Censorship & White House smear campaign
10:31 Bidens daughters diary & foreign interference
13:10 Lobbyists, AT&T & big tech
22:50 Xixi Ping,Trump, coal plants & trade
25:44 Clean burning coal
30:04 The carbon conspiracy
35:31 Election night Joe & Alex will be live
36:01 Joe & Alex debate climate change
47:10 Electric cars & TEAM CARBON
48:02 Nuclear power & BP
51:55 Global warming, cars & centralized control
54:11 Joe wished he was high & covid conspiracy
55:50 Alex Jones mistakes & Bohemian Grove
56:57 The Post Human Era, Neuralink & AI
1:01:22 The first amendment & big tech
1:08:32 Bohemian Grove Cult & Nixon
1:20:09 Human trafficking Vietnam black ops
1:23:50 Clinton & Epstein Island
1:25:53 Ted Gunderson & William Colby
1:28:42 Apocalypse Now & Epstein
1:29:50 Jamie shoutout & Epstein Island
1:33:15 Trump & Roy Cohen, Infowars & The Young Turks
1:36:55 Free speech & censors
1:40:55 The election, Communist China & I Phones
1:49:38 Bill Maher, Democrat & covid conspiracy
2:01:00 Brian Redban & Election night podcast
2:02:32 Whitmer assassination plot & Bret Weinstein
2:11:24 The post industrial world & autonomous cars
2:13:56 Police state & the pandemic conspiracy
2:28:48 Contesting the election & voter fraud
2:34:56 The universe, aliens & DMT
2:36:43 alternate dimensions & Bob Lazar
2:41:51 Technoptimism
2:51:40 Joes new studio & Jamie appreciation
2:53:24 MRNA vaccines
3:00:25 Alex talks about retirement & addiction
[Music]
young jamie
back in the BLEEPING saddle
how you feeling
very well thank you
covid free four days in a row now
i’ve kicked it
yeah and now uh you still can’t taste anything
well you lick a battery
starting to come back today but yeah like five percent taste
yeah it’s gotta be like pickle juice doesn’t even taste like anything
really it just tastes like water
whoa very weird
but you don’t have any residual symptoms
nothing wrong all good can breathe everything
you know good to see you back
a little worried about you
thanks
a little worried about you
not worried about you, alex jones!
this is the most anticipated thing i ever did
i’ve probably had no exaggeration
two or three thousand people in the last
year and a half ask me
when are you going back on joe rogan
and i’m always saying i don’t know i don’t know and
then i learned
you were moving here like three four
months ago and now we’re here and this
is this is exciting
i don’t get uh butterflies anymore but
i’ve actually have them here and this is
this is great it’s good to
have butterflies after about 20 years
didn’t get the last two times i was on
didn’t get it when i interviewed trump
didn’t get in a lot of things
but i’ve got butterflies here today
and tim BLEEPING
yeah i’m just a kid in a candy store
thank you
thank you for making this dream come true
this is what i’ve always wanted to do
and we’ve made it happen
this is my make-a-wish i can die happy
well i’m happy you’re here
yeah i got my free ghislaine shirt
because i believe all women
is that how you say it
it’s i think so
yeah i thought it was gallane
i thought it might be
it’s ghislaine
do you know
don’t look at me no
gallane?
it’s ghislaine
gisslane? jizzlane?
that’s a ridiculous name
yeah her father
was a famous uh mi6 mossad spy
that reportedly used sex operatives to control people
he died being thrown off a yacht
in the middle of the atlantic ocean and
of course she uh got caught in that farmhouse on the east coast
and she was really the pimp over epstein
in a giant sex network ring
over scientists that they were compromising uh
so they can control not just government but
industry and science and
so that was the master blackmail operation they were running
and her sisters are big in tech
like isabelle maxwell she has sisters that
are in u.s tech companies and i think two of
her sisters uh
were part of the creation of magellan
which was that big search engine like
really
so yeah they are a very powerful family
and they have all kinds of different operations
yeah her dad was the biggest publisher in england
and also the biggest owner of private tv stations in england
and uh when he died it turned out he was
a front basically for intelligence networks
now
let me right off the bat say
you were telling me about epstein and this island
years ago you were telling me long before
anybody would i think you told me about him
before his first arrest a long time ago
i talked about how they have these
islands they they fly they compromise
children but i learned all this from ted gunderson
20 plus years ago he was in line to be the fbi director
he was the head of the fbi in los angeles
he was a very famous fbi agent even ran co-intel-pro
it’s a civil rights movement
he apologized for that before he died
uh in the 2011. but
he came out and he was the one that
explained to me about how they use these
these blackmail rings elements the cia
uh and foreign intelligence groups and
and how they would
basically make people have sex with
children to be part of these clubs
and these cults they were setting up
so i knew about all this from ted gunderson
[3:30]
were they young girls that
did they tell them these girls were underage
or did they look like they were older
like like this uh the borat movie
where they uh yeah
guiliani
if you haven’t seen it it’s very disappointing
because they set him up
i saw it
they did set him up but nothing happened
they made it look like
giuliani was jerking off in front of
this girl he was taking his mic off
he would have to be the biggest savage on earth
to jerk off in that situation and they also said
that he inappropriately touched her back
when he touched her back
i am not exaggerating it was like this right it
was a couple of light taps on the back
while she was close to him taking off his mic thing he goes
oh thank you very much dear and he goes
yes i just need your name and your phone number
and then she takes off his mic and then
he leans back
and he’s tucking his shirt back because
he just pulled the mic out right but
he’s lying on the bed to do it now
if you’re an old man and i’m sure he’s
probably got a bad back
like that’s probably how you would do it
but any of us that have had to put the mics
on our side and then you put it in your pants
up your shirt and then you’ve got
it gets to be
you’ve got to get it out that’s what you do
but but it’s worse than that
remember when he was playing the
who was the gay character he played like 10 years ago
bruno
bruno yeah
remember congressman ron paul
the time was/had run for president
and he’s in the hotel
he goes oh the light broke please step into this room
so there’s no chair
ron paul sits down
and he’s read the newspaper
and bruno comes in and pulls his pants down
and says i wanna have sex with you
now that would be sexual assault
if that was a man to a woman
ron paul pushes him out of the way goes out of the room
and so this is what he does
he’s done it to other people it’s his specialty
is to say you’re being interviewed
here it is
listen let me just – before we go any further
i BLEEPING love sasha baron cohen
genius
i think he’s brilliant i think he’s amazing
but his interpretation of what happened
in the room with rudy giuliani
it’s it’s not accurate
in my opinion
well
listen i mean and who is america
he’s tapping her while she’s touching him
and removing his mic
he does this little tap on her waist
but it’s not creepy
it’s like an old man
like a little tap tap tap
right like
if if you want to take it out of context
like i don’t know if there’s more to it than
well let’s go further let’s go further
right after this happens uh borat
sasha baron cohen runs in
in panties and a bra saying
have sex with me she’s 15 she too old
yes so this is
and giuliani’s like what did that
i’d have a heart like what is this
listen my BLEEPING 12 year old sense of humor loved it
yeah but the thing about it is
they’re making it seem like
giuliani was jerking off in front of her
yeah
and that’s not like
he lies back and he’s tucking his pants
like if
can we show the whole thing
so we can look at it
we don’t have to
they put it on his
but they put this out as promotional material
to be promoted
they put it out on twitter
the clip is on miss pat’s
give a shout out to mrs pats
jamie’s technically right tho
it’s on her uh instagram if you want to
but let me drop a bomb show on you joe
okay a bombshell
no no i’ve been a big fan of sasha baron cohen
until i learned he spoke at the ADL
last year and called for my arrest
for free speech and he called for jeff zuckerberg’s arrest
uh for mark zuckerberg’s arrest
so he called for my arrest
and and for mark zuckerberg’s arrest
for free speech
he wants to work in hollywood right
you got to do what you got to do
[7:00]
but let’s go further
deals agreement
i mean he said arrest people
for their free speech
and he supports internet censorship
so how does he make his money being this
avant-garde cutting edge really uh
you know over the edge comic
that does things that could technically
be seen as illegal
i support his free speech
and then he says i don’t deserve it
well it’s really dangerous
he’s flawed like many great artists
yeah
you know i mean i i’m
until they come for him he’s not gonna understand
the slippery slope of censorship and
you know this is another thing
that you know people have uh
people have criticized me for being friends with you
and for talking to you
and they also criticized me for not supporting
a lot of these people that got banned
and de-platformed
my take on it has always been
the best way to counter wrong speech is correct speech
right
when someone says something
that’s wrong or someone says a
conspiracy theory that’s not accurate
the best way to counter that is is to
to do better speech
to have people say the accurate information
and to let the truth rise to the top
when you start censoring people
the problem is it’s a BLEEPING slippery slope
and there’s a reason why we’ve been so steadfast
in supporting the first amendment in this country
and people think it doesn’t apply to tech
because these tech institutes are private businesses
and they should be able to do
whatever they want with their private business
the problem is
that BLEEPING slippery slope has gone
from censoring you
from banning alex jones off twitter a year and a half ago
to getting the white house pr-press secretary
banned off twitter because she posts something
from the new york post
which is crazy
it’s crazy
it’s cr that’s a 200 and whatever year old
america’s oldest newspaper
and the and what she said
what the post
what the what they p printed
and put out there
is accurate
well let’s go further let’s go further
they’re denying that
that it’s a real story
but they don’t ever say the emails are fake
they just say it’s a smear
no it’s a real laptop
the videos have been released
it’s confirmed
but just think about this
it is a smear in that
they’re trying
they’re putting it out there
they’re they’re timing it
sure but they’re not denying
they’re not denying it’s real
no it’s real
it’s real
how did the laptop
how did this laptop become this big story
that’s where it gets tricky
yeah i’m curious
because
supposedly he dropped it off
at a laptop repair shop in delaware
what an idiot
i mean who’s doing that
well a crackhead
right right
the guy’s doing the guy is smoking crack
i keep forgetting he smokes crack
well he did at the time
apparently he’s kicked it
so congratulations to him
but the the guy who had some problems
now this is self-admitted
and and also
they have the receipts
and they
here’s the thing
he calls him dozens of times to
everybody knows when you bring a laptop or anything in
they say if you don’t pay for this
we’re gonna wipe it and sell it
and so three months goes by six months goes by
nobody ever comes and gets it
the guy goes to look at it at the repair shop
the owner
and there’s all these 25 000 files
what looks like underage girls
and all the rest of this crazy stuff and
him smoking crack or god knows what
he gives it to the fbi
ray does nothing, the director,
hides it from trump
and so people let’s just say
inside that had copies of that
they leak it to rudolph giuliani
who then now has started to put it out
so instead of
instead of facing up to it they just say
anyone promoting this
whether it’s the house or senate committees
that were linking to it
or the new york post
or the president’s press secretary
you’re now banned
which again shows it’s
it’s election meddling
it’s gatekeeping to cover this up
but i’ll tell you what else has come out now
his daughter
biden’s daughters uh
uh purportedly reportedly
and they’ve not denied it now
this broke three days ago
left her diary in a house that she had rented
and the diary talks about all the same stuff and everything
well that is so convenient.
wtf is wrong with this family
were you gonna jump in hold on wait
jamie
when i was looking into this
the thing i keep seeing people say is
that he lived in california
he lived in california that is true
that’s what i keep reading
but they fly back and forth to delaware
i mean
these are jet settersthey fly to ukraine
that also might make sense that
that’s why you didn’t go back to delaware
to pick up the laptop
because when you’re cracked out in california
it’s really hard to make the flight
[Laughter]
all right
right i don’t know
i don’t know
so tim is the only one here whos probably smoked crack
i will confirm it’s not an easy flight
coming down off cocaine or crack yeah
have you smoked crack?
no i have free based cocaine which is basically
yeah it’s close
how close is it?
not not as close as where i ever went
and made shady deals in the ukraine
well that’s never
never done that
by the way that’s in the emails
that’s in the emails
finally where it’s like yeah
i need 30 million
part of it goes the big guy
they’re like okay we want to meet with your dad
and there’s photos of them meeting and playing golf
so let me tell you this is real
the fbi has the files
they admit it’s real
it’s a big deal
but it’s a real problem to ban this stuff from twitter
putin rejects donald trump’s criticism of biden family business
well because it’s
russia’s bribing hunter biden
3.5 million through putin
through the moscow mayor who he’s friends with
to hunter biden again
[12:03]
well if i was putin i would deny it too
listen putin has got to love this
if i was putin sitting back
right
watching these BLEEPING people eat themselves alive
and destroy the first amendment
destroy democracy
yeah that’s great
i’m sure
they have a hand in it
i’m sure china has a hand in it
i’m sure iran has a hand in it
yeah
this is what the intelligence communities
have been telling us for a long time now
is that it’s not just one foreign company
or foreign country
that’s trying to BLEEPING with our democracy
yeah the idea that the russians have a monopoly on this
no
i mean if the russians were an nfl football team
they’d be like the lower third
the u.s and china are the top teams
right
and we should say we should say
the united states does it too
sure
it’s 100% confirmed
the idea that russians got trump in is asinine
because here’s what happens
notice they tried to impeach trump just nine months ago
for stuff in ukraine because whatever
they are worried about they project okay
so trump doesn’t have russia connections
trump doesn’t have of those connections
trump doesn’t have those outside connections
you can’t buy him he doesn’t have lobbyists
the problem is
he then has family and people around him
that basically become lobbyists for themselves
and trump isn’t really even aware of it
and then that’s going on
and i mean even junior aides now
you’ll find out
have people giving them millions of dollars
just to say something to the president
is this standard BLEEPING is this just stan-
how politics have always been done
it’s just now we’re seeing it?
well it was standard let’s say 200 years ago
that you’d go out for the wife or the brother
or or somebody that works at the white house
it got organized the last hundred years with lobbyists
trump literally cut the lobbyists off
but all it did was now make everyone around him a lobbyist
no they’re not officially a lobbyist
how did he cut the lobbyists off?
he just stopped meeting with them
and stopped and just said
i want briefings on what’s going on i’ll decide
so that’s why he pissed official washington off
not that he’s even perfect
but that he actually became the president
sort of making decisions himself
instead of having consortiums and lobbyists pay him for policy
that’s why he says
bidens raised more money than me of course
i can call up all these companies
they’ll give me any money i want but i gotta do what they say
but it would put him in a compromised position
yes
but i’m being honest about it
the vacuum and and the the blind spot
is that then everyone around him in his cabinet
and everyone that works there
even down to mid-level people
are now getting multi-million dollar contracts for companies
like at&t and stuff
just to just to
just to even mention something to the president
but hold up
before you any further you said at&t
has it been proven that it’s at&t
or are you just saying at&t-like companies
like let’s just say
i’m not saying at&t is bad
i think at&t’s an overall good company
but is at&t doing something bad?
no i just i was mentioning that as a fortune 500 company
okay but it’s not at&t no it’s not agency
so we shouldn’t say that
see this is why you need someone
that’s like a fact checker right next to you
going slow down
the media will say i’m wrong about that
right but okay oka
but no no hold on his personal lawyer
his personal lawyer
the one that ended up going to jail
actually michael cohen
michael cohen was getting money from at&t
go ahead and pull it up
i mean i was just trying to give you a gestalt quick analysis
but i just want to
i’ve told you before
what you really need on your show is like a
a legit journalist who’s right next to you with a laptop
going ah alex hold on hold on
just slow down
but i think you’re right about that
because but you get so much right
but when you get something wrong that’s important
at&t confirms it paid trump lawyer michael cohen’s company
yeah now i remember that
see joe yeah
they’re always saying
that i’m making stuff up
sure but im not, they’re lying
right right now every once in a while
my memory used to be photographic but from
everything i’ve done it’s not as good as
it used to be it moves really quick okay
so what i’m saying stuff is just
data knowledge okay
and then i can like
okay yeah did i say that
yeah it’s real check it out
but i’m not trying to make stuff up
99 of the time
here it is
at&t confirmed tuesday evening
that it paid president trump’s personal lawyer michael cohen
in 2017 for, in quotes
“insights into understanding the new administration”
[Laughter]
insights i love that
[16:00]
um so how much they pay them?
200 000 bucks and four separate payments of 50k bucks
in late 2017 early 2018. interesting
yeah but he got paid i think the number
was 10 million total
from a a handful of companies
but
by the way look how he did it
he did it shady
look avenatti alleged that
essential consultants, a shell company
set up by cohen before the election
to pay stormy daniels
was paid by several corporations including at&t
at the time at&t was seeking government approval
for its acquisition of time warner, CNN’s parent company
it’s a dirty world
yeah but i’m telling you
at&t is a sweetheart compared to google
and facebook and twitter and all these people so
i wasn’t attacking them
i was giving an example of how everyone in his entourage
becomes a a lobbyist because he thinks
i’ll just cut lobbyists off
he’s not taking any money
and but then everyone around him becomes a lobbyist
that’s why
do you worry about the influence that people like jared kushner have?
because i know a lot of biggest uh
his supporters like ann coulter
who’s trump’s biggest supporter goes
i don’t love the idea that he hired his children
and that they have a lot of connections
[17:03]
i can tell you this
i can tell you this
people were really pissed
who were patriots, the intelligence community
in other areas but also enemies of trump
that kushner had so much influence
but now kushner’s gotten a lot of respect uh
because he’s actually gotten a lot of huge peace deals done
that nobody else could do for 50 years
now
interesting how little press those peace deals got
yea they’re getting none, no press
yeah it’s really concerning
so so now i mean they were pissed like
who’s this kid
and now everything he touches turns to gold
but he looks like the omen
we’ve covered this multiple times
he looks like a little little devilish
it’s just like yeah
and he’s paid he paid twice what it was worth
for like 666 park avenue oh jesus christ
that’s not good
that’s not great
wow that’s not great
why would he want that
i think it was more than twice
look up 666 is it park avenue?
or listen maybe he thinks it’s funny
maybe he’s a satanist
he’s getting good deals done in the middle east
yeah i mean
he’s getting good deals
they say the antichrist gets good deals in the middle east
if you’re gonna be a luciferian
at least make peace in the middle east
how about that
maybe satan’s the only one that can do that
[18:00]
at&t is a really good cell phone company
yeah right hey
hey
just the way it works
i mean you wanna
when i mentioned at&t
it’s an example that popped in my head
of an unofficial lobby
well i was happy that we called you on it
because then we found out it’s correct
yeah look you’ve been correct about a lot of BLEEPING
this is my point from jump
i found out about agent provocateurs from you
from your 9/11 road to tyranny video
where they use them at the world trade organization protests in seattle in the late 90s
like i had no idea that it was a common practice
to send in masked people
to start smashing things during peaceful protests
right
so then they could go in…
btw i could give you the straight dope on antifa
if you wanna do that – go ahead
okay?
yeah hold on a second
[Laughter]
666 park avenue project
had been a black hole of cash for years
until a sovereign wealth fund
made a substantial investment for the property
after kushner was already serving
as trump’s top advisor in the white house
wow okay
might be a nice building though
what does it say the kushner company
is that what is the company’s called?
yeah
the kushner company’s 666 park avenue project
that’s hilarious
i think that’s beautiful
his dad went to prison for
i believe setting up his brother with like a prostitute
yeah yeah
what
yeah that’s they’re a fun family the kushners
wait a minute wait
wait the dad set up the brother?
with a with a prostitute with a call girl
okay
we are step by step
we’re going to fact check every one of those
no no no
this is well known
this is well known
i understand
but we need to have this for the people
people like me and alex don’t just spout off
we have the facts
i know you have the facts
but i want to make sure
chris christie
jared kushner’s father committed one of the most
loathsome disgusting crimes i prosecuted
wow
wow
we fact check all of this
that is crazy
make that bigger for my old eyes
look at this
what does it say
according to the excerpts in the book
republished by axios and the guardian
christie claims the younger kushner
was behind his departure from trump’s inner circle
after 2016 election writing that he was
still apparently seething over the
events that had occurred a decade ago
well what is the events of a decade ago?
they over prosecuted his dad
he should have gotten like
uh he should have gotten probation for
trying to set up his brother with a hooker
instead he got a bunch of time
imagine your dad setting you up with a hooker
it’s crazy
he’s trying to set the other family member up
here’s here’s what uh
“if my father is guilty i would
mr kushner pled guilty
he admitted the crimes” christie said
“and so what am i supposed to do as a prosecutor
i mean if a guy hires a prostitute seduced
to seduce his brother-in-law”
oh it’s his brother-in-law
what he said his brother-in-law
his brother-in-law
okay i got confused
“and then videotapes it and then
sends the videotape to his sister
to attempt to intimidate her from
testifying before a grand jury
do i really need any more justification
than that?”
holy BLEEPING
but it wasn’t to intimidate
that’s his interpretation
that stuff goes on in divorces all the time
people go videotape the other person cheating
so that’s why it was wrong he went to prison
because he wasn’t doing it-
he was doing that to show that the person testifying was wrong
of course you’re trying to influence testimony with the truth
it’s this idea that
yes they’re cheating
i told you they were, here’s the proof.
how does that become fraud?
okay i’m confused
so he set up his brother-in-law
with a prostitute
to show that this was been going on before
which he’d already alleged
okay as part of the plot kushner hired a prostitute
to lure shulder into having sex
in a bridgewater new jersey motel room
first of all
if you find yourself in a bridgewater new jersey motel
you’re BLEEPING
run
as the hidden camera rolls
a tape of the encounter was then sent to kushner’s sister
and uh shulders wife
i know the whole story
so just trust us
we try we’re just
i just made a comment that
you start thinking about like
who’s running the country, these stories
and like hunter biden’s running around with
you know underage people on the laptop
you start going
why does everyone work for ukrainian gas company?
like who are these people running the country?
its a little strange
the west controlled ukraine so they just use that
as as the money laundering op
it’s not the ukrainians running us
right
they use it as that
[22:00]
but let’s expand on this joe
what i’m getting at here is
i didn’t bring up at&t-
they’re a good company overall
they’re not the one censoring and stuff
okay it’s the big tech
the reason i raised that
was just the one that popped in my head the first one
it’s massive what’s going on
i was just being honest that trump’s tried-
well its only a couple hundred grand
like i mean as much as that sounds like a lot of money
but the bigger ones like he’s talking about
communist china yeah
amazon
communist china is even bigger
it’s bigger than big tech
it literally spends hundreds of billions of dollars buying us off
it owns hollywood
it owns a lot of the big telecoms
it owns the majority of our debt
and i’ve got articles in the LA times
and new york times ive brought for you
where they say xi ji ping must destroy trump
to save america
he was our leader
and then at the davos group
he said three years ago
i will destroy trump
i will work with hollywood
i’ve got all his quotes right here
and xi ji ping said
i want to overthrow american democracy
i want to repudiate it
i want to discredit it
and xi ji ping admits he admires adolf hitler
and joseph stalin
okay but
isn’t he doing that
thats crazy
that seems crazy
yeah
you can pull it up
i understand
i’ll show you
step by step
isn’t he doing that because of trumps trade deals?
like the trade deals that trump wants to do with china
are not nearly
well they’re not one-sided for for him
here’s what happened
special interest in the u.s went in and
opened up china you know in the 70s when
most of them didn’t have running water or electricity
they’re hard working smart folks
but by one sided trade deals where we
we have higher tariffs on them and they on us
and all the rest of it or vice versa
through those deals they use the slave labor of china
to then take over manufacturing worldwide
and so china’s a client state of the globalists
and so now the washington post the la times the new york times
i brought you the articles here
dreams of red emperor the relentless rise of xi ji ping
and it says in these articles
he must destroy american western christian values
we love him
and we accept china as our master
i have the goddamn articles
but whos saying that
this is treason
the freaking dude right here
washington post
uh but who’s saying that quote
who’s that quote
here i’ll give them to you
this is this is the washington post
and there’s a huge article la times
i understand but the quote that you just said
about he must destroy
just like i said at&t gave money unofficially
in lobbying and you pulled it up
i read the article i’m not giving you that
i understand what you’re saying
but what i’m what i’m asking you is
who you quoted someone but who did you quote when you said that
i’m quoting from when i read these again this morning before i came here
what i remember
david don durie durley
oh that guy
and and uh
this this chinese lady that works for them
i think he’s talking about the prevailing sentiment of what they feel they must do
i understand but when you quote somebody it’s best
no no no no no no
i just said in these articles
right well
look at the headline
xi’s choice: destroy trump or save them from weakened america
i mean
right
xi needs to destroy trump?
the chinese dictator needs to destroy our president?
so do you think that they’re doing that because
trump wants to change the trade deals with china
you know what trump said
trump didn’t start a trade war
he ended our surrender
we have been surrendered for 40 years
with china
where they don’t take our goods but we take all of theirs
and they manipulate their currency
but we haven’t manipulated ours
where we have carbon taxes that obama put in
to shut down over half our coal plants
that are clean and our electricity prices went up
where you could not run a factory here
competitively against china
so when joe biden says
we’re going to cut off all the fossil fuels not just fracking right
if you did that we wouldn’t just go bankrupt
we’d starve to death
75% of our power comes from fossil fuels
i understand
let’s- step by step- again
are coal plants really clean?
100% clean
how is that possible?
i’ll tell you
please
okay there’s two different types of major power plants
when they say when he says clean coal i roll my eyes every time
when trump’s like clean coal, clean, amazing
well that’s because the engine is so damn good
is it?
i’ll tell you
please
they had old-fashioned coal plants
china doesn’t have one scrubber
or filter on their coal power plants
and china doesn’t have clean burning coal
there’s one place in the united states
that has major deposits of coal
that is such pure carbon
you don’t even need scrubbers
nothing comes out but carbon dioxide and water
well they know we know water is not bad
so they list carbon dioxide
people think it’s monoxide
just like in studies
if you say the scientific name of water
most people in penn teller skits on the street
will say ban dihydrogen monoxide
if you go out on the street joe rogan
and ask 100 austin-ites
dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere
if you get too much of it you can die, drowned
and most people will say
i wanna ban dihydrogen monoxide
that’s the scientific name of water
same thing if you do the scientific name of salt
sounds scary
well so so
hydrogen monoxide is the bad one
hydrogen dioxide is a good one
that’s the life cycle
on earth there’s there’s light there’s water
there’s oxygen and there’s carbon dioxide
those are the four things you’ve got to have for
for life and so they’ve gotten people convinced
to say coal is dirty it puts out carbon dioxide
and water vapor and so
until about the 70s we were still burning
dirty coal full of mercury all of it
they found huge deposits
of clean burning coal out west
enough in utah to run the whole world
for over a thousand years
what’s the difference between the coal like?
well let me tell you
okay please
one coal is so damn pure
and it’s only in the united states and major deposits
that basically you don’t need to put scrubbers on it
but our scientists in the 40s 50s 60s and 70s
because they realized that dirty coal has mercury in it
has all these horrible toxins
they put scrubbers on it
that’s why when you drive by a coal plant
it’s just big huge buildings
and wires and and hoses and big huge steel
looks like an alien spaceship
that’s because it’s called distillates
they know how to burn it
and then take off all the chemicals
all the toxins and make plastics
and make chemicals and make pesticides
and make everything else that comes out of that
and then out of the stack
comes nothing but water they have sensors on it
nothing but water and carbon dioxide
totally clean
totally pure
so so that’s what’s going on
so carbon monoxide is what everybody’s worried about
carbon dioxide increasing in the environment
has no negative effects????
let’s talk about it
please
they’ve done they’ve done ice core samples
okay all over the antarctic and the arctic
they’ve done mud core samples uh in in
all over the world but mainly in siberia
and wales for some reason
jamie i hope you’re googling
i i haven’t got some decent stuff to pull up but
he’s got yeah better
right
now so so so what happens is
they they can go back twenty thousand a
hundred thousand two hundred thousand years
at least in the ice
and they know that
they’ve also done spectrometers in the stone
they can scan until it was there
carbon dioxide was over 500 times stronger
in the time of the t-rex okay
in the jurassic age
that’s why plants grew so fast
things were so big
there was a higher oxygen level
just like mars lost its atmosphere
used to have an ocean they’ve now gone and proven
it lost its atmosphere as a smaller planet couldn’t hold it
truth is the earth’s losing its atmosphere
so what’s crazy is we come right along at this time
pump up all of this juice and all this carbon
that was produced on the surface with plants and animals
that ran down and cracks into the earth
we’re now pumping out all that carbon
saved for millions years ago
and actually terraforming the planet
putting more carbon dioxide in that we actually need
right this time like aliens figured this out or something
[29:05]
but hold please hold but hold please
isn’t carbon dioxide
responsible for an increase
in the temperature of the earth?
but they said that we would have a 7x increase
they said that by 2013 all that LA would be flooded
and new york would be flooded
all that’s lies
okay but let’s forget about what they said in the past
what they’re saying now is that carbon dioxide increase
is responsible for an increase in the temperature of the earth
which which
which we hope it does
we hope it increases the temperature of the earth?
the last ice age
hold up but hold on
but the increase in the temperature
of the earth is responsible for the increase in hurricanes
the frequency and the power of the hurricanes
if you look up this the spectrum in the last hundred years
hurricanes have gotten weaker
that’s all media hype
but let me just tell you
oh jesus
joe joe joe i swear to god
i swear to god i can prove all this to you
this is so easy for your audience
are you a carbon dioxide salesman?
listen well they always said i get money from oil companies, i’m not
but can i please tell you what’s going on
yes please do
you are a carbon-based life-form
let me show you what i came here with in my notes
[30:10]
i have right here in my notes
the carbon conspiracy
and that is specifically what i wanted to get into here
with you in my notes because this is everything
are you a climate change denier?
well see imagine
imagine how that’s how they use that term
right
are you a climate change denier?
it’s like a 911 denier right
no
the towers got blown up
our government had prior warning
and had been funding al-qaeda
and all that came out later in senate reports
and the 28 –
let’s not go there just now
because we’re going to go down a rabbithole
that that’s true but let’s go to carbon
i that that agree with you there
okay what are you what is what is what is
what is joe rogan made up out of?
carbon
okay-based life-forms we are literally stardust
its a song right
exactly what are trees made out of?
ummmm tree stuff?
carbon
carbon yeah but
carbon-based life forms its most of the things on the planet
the whole planet and so this is the carbon cycle
this is in the mainline textbooks
i understand
so so just like they they they come out
and assault reality now and say
a little boy is biologically a girl
i don’t care if he grows up and wants to say he’s a girl
rabbit hole let’s not go down
but i’m saying it’s not science
they go the science is settled there’s not two genders
B BLEEPING S
okay hold on let’s not go down that road
will you want to go to that road in the future we will
right now
i’ll do it
let me just i want you to talk about carbon
i don’t know i don’t want to get off track
because isn’t there a delicate balance
with the temperature on earth and the rising sea levels
and the melting of the ice caps
this has all been established by a lot of concerned-
they say they say the science is settled, its not-
but very concerned environmentalists have said
that an increase in the temperature of the earth
could be disastrous to human civilization
power grab, power grab.
are you sure it’s a power grab>
i’m absofreakinglutely sure.
but how do you know? how do you know that it’s not all
how do you know that-
because they’re arrogant and they’ve all written whitepapers on it that i’ve read
and i can give you
white papers?
yeah it’s not what you see in the news
they’re called white papers
and joe, just like joe.
this is why people get banned from the internet
this this these kind of conversations
we better ban it right now
let’s not ban it
lets not
i’m just not
i’m throwing that out there
let’s just certainly not ban the tim dillon youtube page
which is fantastic by the way
what?
your youtube page.
thank you
let me tell you this right now
it’ll be up for another day.
they have called, in the european union,
for the arrest of scientists
that question the cause
of anthropogenic warming or image man-made
okay but there is a contributing factor
scientifically
it’s been proven that increased carbon dioxide
has an effect on the temperature of the earth
do you agree with that?
it depends on the models they use
sometimes actually more carbon dioxide
can cause a cooling effect but generally
could cause a heating effect
it depends on potash, the atmosphere,
volcanic ejections at the time
and also solar maximum and minimums
sunspot activity is the main generator of planetary climate
but the wide- if you had a a giant swath of scientists
that are examining carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
would you agree that the majority of them believe
that it’s a contributing factor to the warming of the earth?
joe it’s a mantra
where they say the majority of scientists agree
that climate change is caused by humans
i agree with climate change
the only thing that’s constant is change
of course the climate’s changing
what i’m telling you is carbon dioxide
was 50 to 500 times depending on the time period
higher millions of years ago yes it is now
right but that’s
but you also realize that that was what
we got hit by now here
what do you think the motivation is
for them to present the evidence in this way?
like you said this is a fraud and everything
what- because i’ve heard you talk about this before-
um what do you think their goal is
by linking all of this climate change to man-made activity?
what’s the goal?
the goal is to centralize world government
that can then monitor all carbon and control it as a toxic bad thing
you’re carbon, it makes you bad.
that didn’t work so now it’s oh you have a cold
you’re dirty with covid, we’ve got to track you and tax you and control you
so the new thing is covid to cut the carbon footprint
and they admit that.
before we go down the covid rabbit hole
the environmentalists are not in bed with the industrialists
the environmentalists are- they’re not in bed with all these people
that think that they can control the the worlds…
actually BP and exxon mobil and others
are the biggest funders of the climate change movement
they’re the biggest funders of it?
contrary to what you hear
how so?
all right joe here’s the thing.
i understand this is, and you’re a smart guy
and i understand you want to go over each piece of this
let’s go through
well we have to
we have to I agree
let’s go through each piece
but but understand
you understand that the way you talk
and i enjoy the way you talk, its fast but
the way you talk is fast
and you go on these long tangents
and you go to frogs being gay
and you- a lot of things happen
i wanted people
i’m putting a record out
yes but i want to do it step by step
let’s do this let’s do this
let’s do this
but most people the vast majority
here we got here
BP commits 100 million to fund new emissions reductions projects
[35:01]
well let me just go back for a second
and i appreciate you backing me up
let me break down
[Silence]
are frogs gay?
you want to get to the frog stuff now?
we will.
connect it all!
that is by the way
why do i feel like i’m stoned and i haven’t smoked any pot
yeah i wish i was stoned
if he’s not gonna smoke it i’m gonna smo-
my god it’s sober october i have six days left
break the goddamn rule! and then go an extra day
i cannot
i cannotm i’m like george washington
well on election night we’re gonna get hammered right?
mm-hmm
election night i’m getting hammered.
but you’re gonna, i’m gonna pop in?
you’ll- you can pop in
but we’ve told everybody now that we’re doing a live stream
no no we’re not
kyle
yeah
kyle kulinski
that’s
tim dillon yeah
me alex jones is gonna pop in, live
it’s gonna be fun
it’s live, so while you’re watching the world burn
live
yeah all right
joe here’s the here’s the thing
it’s just like at least funny to you because i love you
dude it’s just like when you said what’s
the at&t deal and i went oh look it up
but but listen we did look it up and we
found this is information this is bigger
okay
let me let me get my brain focused here for a minute
let me just try to explain
i’ve literally interviewed probably
its not exaggerating, 200 top scientists
from, petroleum geologists to astrophysicists
to astronauts to quantum mechanics
to petroleum
buckle up because i have too
i know BLEEPING i know
okay you’re a moron yeah they’re not
yeah trust me
joe you’re a smart guy and i’m not
that’s his cover, he is smart
oh yeah right
yeah yeah right
i’m a smart moron
yeah right okay
let me tell you what’s going on
i’m going to say it again
you can go to any major study
just type in
carbon dioxide levels were hundreds of times higher
in earth’s early past
well i understand that
but also i understand
you can look at the ocean models then!
yes even with the ocean models right
and it’s true the oceans didnt cover more than anything now
yeah but alex jones, human beings weren’t alive 65 million years ago
and the environment wasn’t compatible for us.
we put out a fraction well
we hadn’t developed yet
right well we were moles
we had yeah
shrews.
shrews, yeah.
[37:05]
but my point is you’re right
yeah
is that is that…
last time co2 was this high
humans didn’t exist
the last time there’s as much carbon dioxide
co2 in the earth
co2 levels are far higher now than they have been
for any time during the past
and oil, a single co2 molecule, can remain in the atmosphere
what’d you do?
oh i see, i understand. oh okay okay um.
so let’s let’s just go to what this says.
and what is this uh paper? that’s uh..
is this a climate central.org ? okay.
the last time there was this much carbon dioxide
in the earth’s atmosphere, modern humans didn’t exist
mega tooth sharks prowled the oceans blah blah blah
all right
as we near the record for the highest co2 concentrations
in human history 400 parts per million
climate scientists worry,
about what where about excuse me
about where we were then
and where we’re rapidly headed now.
according to the data gathered by mauna loa
observatory in hawaii, dope spot.
the 400 ppm mark may briefly be exceeded this
month when co2 typically hits a seasonal peak
sure, and i’ve had top scientists on
i’ve had climatologists talking about the keeling curve
i can tell you all
-this threshold according to ralph keeling
the researcher
carbon dioxide is the most important
long-lived global warming gas
and once it’s emitted by burning fossil fuels-
it helps us keep our atmosphere!
hold please hold please…
but once it’s emitted by burning fossil fuels
such as coal and oil, a single co2 molecule can remain
in the atmosphere for hundreds of years.
global co2 emissions reached a record high
of 35.6 billion tons in 2002, excuse me 2012.
up 2.6 from 2011
carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases warm the planet
by absorbing the sun’s energy and preventing heat
from escaping back into space
which means it enhances the atmosphere right?
but the sea levels didn’t go up like they said
well aren’t they melting? but it’s a
al gore said by 2013-
al gore…
okay joe but listen
this is one guy’s take
i know but al gore’s out there flying around in a private jet
i know i know
you found a guy admitting that used to be higher than it is now
i’m telling you it used to be way higher
than it is now this is
right but then the asteroid hit the
yucatan killed all the dinosaurs and changed the entire atmosphere-
i know. i don’t want to…
-of the planet
with a dark winter
yeah which is very bad
for everything
caused by atmospheric dust
for a long BLEEPING time
one major volcano like mount st helens
they estimated put out more dust than decades of human
uh
dust yes and and human dust is what helps
cause nuclei to form to cause storms
so we are affecting our environment
but most of the astrophysicists
and most of the physicists i’ve talked to
most of climatologists i’ve talked to
they have broken down that the sun
by magnitude is 98 of the driver of what happens
that’s why when the sun spots take place
that’s an a uh coronal ejection from the sun
and one of those shoots radiation in our direction
it’ll be clear blue sky but but they know
when we get hit by that, it hits our magnetic field
and causes an ionization of the atmosphere
and electrification of it
and so that causes the giant storms
so the main driver of climate is the sun
and i think everybody doesnt need to be a scientist to know
what’s the main thing that earth is living off of?
the sun!
the sun.
and so and so, they’re telling us that carbon dioxide does this
what happens is carbon dioxide goes up
they said can be in the atmosphere for hundreds of years
it’s normally absorbed by plants immediately
who- they’ve got studies-
they have found giant crocodile skeletons
from just 10,000 years ago in the central sahara
where hundreds of square miles
is nothing but dunes ten thousand years ago it was
it was lush jungles and beautiful
but they had goats
and they ate all of the plants and well killed the earth
there’s also the younger dryas theory of asteroid impacts
that they they ended the ice age
12 000 years ago
yeah ten
well two impacts i believe
there’s 12 and then somewhere between 11 and 12
but the answer is we don’t know and
and so they’ve now looked at all these big models
saying it’s all carbon dioxide and it’s not
it’s the sun
it’s asteroids
it’s tectonic
it’s electromagnetic from the earth’s core
yes
but isn’t co2 emissions the one thing that we can control?
so human-created global warming gases like co2 emissions
if we can put a cap on that
wouldn’t you agree?
let me ask you a question
we don’t but if we continue to put that stuff in the atmosphere
and it continues to get higher and higher
and higher levels of co2 in the atmosphere wouldn’t it
that’s going to make it’s going to make-
the studies show- it’s going to make deserts become green again
and plants are going to absorb the carbon
what studies are these?
you can look them up
okay let’s find out.
and that’s why the left even says
but if you’re going to say something like that
and i’m not arguing with you.
but if you are going to say something like that
that’s that’s a very bold thing to say.
you should probably not just say, look them up
there should be something
let’s type it in let’s type in
there’s hundreds of them
like I actually brought like over 50 articles right here
but do you have something that you’ve read
that makes you so confident that you can say this?
uh i actually know what what what the plant studies show
where in greenhouses they grow plants with hybrid
higher carbon dioxide and plants can grow
up to three times faster, they live longer.
of course.
plants live-
let’s expand
-off carbon dioxide
what do they put out more?
oxygen.
well this one thing that has been proven
is there’s more plants now,
than there have been in a long BLEEPING because,
there’s a global greening happening yes
countering us losing our atmosphere up until this point
the earth has less atmosphere than it
did a million years ago and it’s like
god did this or something where we
discovered all this oil which is blind luck
that we are terraforming the planet back
to an earlier healthier state
by taking ancient carbon
that was under the ground
and putting it back into the atmosphere
but isn’t the problem that
along the way we’re also increasing the
temperature of the planet,
and we are not aligned with a higher temperature?
we don’t know we don’t know.
but in 1963, the club of rome came up with a limits to growth plan
and they had models and actuaries
and i have copies of this in my film “End game”
seminal film it’s free online
End-Game blueprint for global enslavement
predicts a virus released to lock things down
everything’s still happening
because it’s their own documents
and in in the 1963 limits to growth club of rome plan
they said we believe there’ll be a global ice age
by 2020 because the last ice age ended
about 12,000 years ago and we’re set for that
we’re going to tell the public
that actually carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
is bouncing solar radiation off the earth
because we’ve seen volcanoes cause
this darkening effect in freezing
so we believe, our scientists believe
that carbon dioxide is going to make the earth freeze
by 2020 and so we’ve got to have a global regime to take control
of all the factories and all the energy
and put a tax in for global government
in the name of stopping the ice age.
then by about 1987 they went actually
we think it’s going to heat up instead
so they flipped the the the propaganda.
ask anybody you know.
okay, but don’t you understand
that science back then
didn’t have as much data as they have now
so their their models
and what they had predicted in 1963
is faulty compared to the information they have in 2020
just like falci said 2.5 million would be dead
but again..
from covid, it was 200 some thousand
but worldwide what is it?
a worldwide tuberculosis killed 20 million people
1.4 million here last year but nobody cared
what did covid kill,
covid killed a lot of people
covids not even killed a million worldwide
what?
not even a million worldwide
no is that true?
yup come on?
yup well how do we know
oh we use UN models
again they’re they’re our boss
since when did the W.H.O say the lockdown has to go on
now they go, oh we’re against the lockdown
your nation states did it, that it’s their fault
because they know millions are starving to death
that is true, and very underreported yeah.
that the W.H.O has now come out against lockdown
saying that the reaction can’t be a worse effect than the actual disease
so let me back alex up with the climate changes like
they’re
they’re they’re certainly you know we’re
contributing to man-made global warming
but also what are you going to do what
are we going to do i don’t know what you
know i mean that’s another question
what are we going to do?
why does his mic sound weird
is it he’s hot is he on it?
or is it how i’m hearing?
it i’m hearing like a breakup of his mic
sounds good to me that’s fine to me yeah.
that’s weird.
okay i’m sorry, it must be me.
jamie’s really low, you sound great, he sounds good yeah
okay.
[45:25]
what is the climate control,
cause that’s very interesting,
like the idea of using climate to control, because
as you said with covid, and we talked about this,
we give up a lot of rights, right?
in the name of coronavirus.
exactly look what is there’s real issues
we don’t really know what’s going on
they want to be able to track
all carbon and tax it with a ai surveillance grid
with a social credit score over it yeah
and they admit all of that
joe they tell us okay i understand that
but you do you understand that the
environmentalists who are concerned
are not there’s a giant
amount of them that are legitimately
concerned that we’re ruining the earth
i understand the greenhouse effects
fossil fuels i understand a greenhouse
effect but these people the reason why
they’re acting the reason why they’re
trying to get people on electric cars
and trying to get people off the fossil fuels
hold up please.
they’re they’re legitimately concerned
like i don’t believe that these actual environmentalists.
sure i agree with you
but i mean here’s the deal,
the new hummer looks the new hummer looks badass.
[Laughter]
here’s the deal, here’s the deal.
but i’m not getting one because i don’t wanna contribute to global warming
im being sarcastic,
you dont wanna contribute to global warming?
lets be serious.
did you know that on average more carbon is spent
for electricity into a car than 93 octane gasoline?
well i would believe that
because i would think it it-
it takes a lot to make a BLEEPING electric car.
but once no no no! that’s no no no.
transmission lines.
you lose up to uh half of transmission,
and most of it’s coal powered brother!
so most per megawatt it’s more!
it’s more
so i’m plugging my tesla in and i think
because that’s how i like to think
i’m a good guy i’m plugging my tesla in
i’m helping save the world, i’m not?
because i’m contributing to power
no you’re driving you’re contributing to putting-
putting carbon dioxide back in and oxygen
and re-terraforming the planet
you’re doing a badass job.
Okay.
the biggest energy guzzlers
electric cars are bad ass!
they are putting out more carbon than anybody
YEAH.
they don’t come out the tail pipe,
they come out the power plant top!
WOOO
okay. but what about-
i love electric cars! CARBON, YEAH!
team carbon! carbon! carbon!
how do you feel about-
okay
how do you feel about nuclear power?
i absolutely hate it.
why do you hate it?
isn’t it clean?
WOOOHOO
94 joe
i’m not trying to tear you up
don’t tear me up, i don’t know anything
i told you i’m a moron
no no no no i used to be for nuclear power
oh what happened?
i actually did research
what research did you do?
um they’re always saying it’s totally clean no problem
but then you can look at the UN’s own numbers
which i actually believe, international atomic energy agency
look this up, cbs news.
94 of nuclear plants are leaking at dangerous levels.
look this up
pause, jamie.
94 of nuclear power plants are leaking at dangerous levels.
isn’t the problem that we’re using old tech?
yeah.
like Fukushima!
now you see you’re smart, yeah much cause!
you always know everything joe.
the average power plant age is 36 years
almost all these power plants are-
the average life is 20 to 35 years.
fukushima was already a decade old.
it was supposed to be a general electric model
using plutonium radioactive leaks found at 75% of US nuke sites
yeah it’s worse than that. it’s 94 percent.
okay well that’s not that’s not good.
i don’t know why 94 doesn’t pop up thats in the UN report
OK but wouldn’t it be possible with innovation
that they currently have access to
yes yes yes
but you talk about corrupt companies i don’t-
listen. if people actually ran these right?
and the executives- here’s an example.
BP. I think oil is great, it has toxic problems,
we should clean it up we should find alternatives
there’s all sorts of clean energy we should go to
that you know isn’t.
solar is great, whatever.
they’ve got fission, fusion, a bunch of stuff coming down.
take one of the best films out there
because it’s so accurate because i had lawyers on from them
i read the transcript of the trial
the uh event horizon, with with, BP.
they literally have all these degree engineers out there
and BP calls them up
from england to houston and says
you’re spending 25 million dollars a day
on this super deep experimental well.
we’ve decided to not pour concrete-
they call it mud- in on top this.
the executives say:
we’ll save 25 million dollars a day if you dump water.
and all the engineers went:
we have mathematical equations-
just like water boils at a certain amount-
okay we have a certain number of chromosomes-
this is fact.
yeah and they on record go:
you’re fired if you don’t order them to dump water into it
so they follow the order,
dump water in for five days and it blows up!
because water didn’t have enough pressure
to hold what was going to be coming out,
when they finally hit that giant oil and gas deposit
down there at 20 000 feet under the ground or whatever it was
super deep well, that was deeper than that, so
so you you watched that movie with kirk russell and the rest of it
and you know marky mark
wasn’t event horizon the one where they they find
i’m sorry event horizons where they go-
yeah event horizon is a spaceship.
yeah that’s
what i’m sorry.
i’m trying to remember oil in the event horizon i’m like wait a minute
lawrence fishburne right?
here’s yea i think.
they go to hell.
here’s my here’s my brain.
DeepWater Horizon!
DeepWater Horizon.
pull up event horizon,
because that’s a great BLEEPING movie
i love that movie
it’s like they go into hell
they go into a new dimension also about people
but see how my brain got that wrong
but it’s not on purpose no it’s
okay event that’s the BLEEPING
he pulls his eyeballs out and he tells everybody
yeah remember that?
yeah that’s a great BLEEPING movie.
pure evil…
but listen i’m not trying to rant here,
what i’m telling you joe is
it’s the same thing with nuclear power plants.
Why would the executives at BP
order their engineers to do something
that was going to blow up? they just said:
you engineers are full of crap.
we’re going to make money.
do you think they might just be arrogant engineers on adderall
and they made a big mistake?
i don’t know
yeah that’s what it could be
could be that’s what happened
that is what happened
well well those guys are probably tweaked out right?
those those executives, that what i’m saying
it wasn’t engineers it was the executives.
yeah but executives that’s what i’m saying
why do you think they were like,
keep pouring water in it, keep pouring water in it?
because they were insane.
right i mean that’s what i’m saying
about these people the engineers
are at the mercy of these executives who
don’t have the degrees the engineers have
and they made a crucial error and they
forced the engineers to do something
that was ultimate and so i was agreeing
with you about we should listen to scientists and engineers
i was just going back to your point that yeah
we don’t know about the warming
we don’t know what it’s doing
the models they all use on warming
factor out the sun right
and you can’t factor out the sun in an equation
i’ve had other scientists that factor the sun in,
and then they think despite all we’re doing
that within the next 200 years we’re
going to, it’s very serious deep ice age.
i think alex’s point is that in all of these things
there are legitimate things
that you know covid has
there there are real things
people getting sick, global warming.
you know to an extent
i’m sure is is happening
of course it’s happening
but then there are also nefarious characters
that want to use that to take away your freedom
there are people that don’t want you owning a car.
there’s all these legacy systems,
whitney webb is a journalist who came on my show.
said a lot of people didn’t want to reopen the economy
until they remade the economy.
and got rid of all these legacy systems
like and this is a doc,
with eric schmidt it was the head of google,
you could look it up and they were saying, you know
they were considering these legacy systems
like cash, private ownership of cars,
you know things like that like,
getting rid of all of these things
that are are distinctly american ways of life
and just saying that like,
we don’t want you to own a car.
this is the most important thing
that’s been said here today
one step at a time though.
why would they want to get rid of private ownership of cars
because they want control of people and
if you allow them to drive their own cars and use cash
and run their own businesses and live in their own home
but let’s start with cars.
vertical integration.
let’s start with cars.
don’t you think that
maybe the concern is they’re looking at
the future of autonomous vehicles which
would drastically lower the mortality rate on highways?
and they’re saying are they concerned
are the people that run this country, joe
concerned with the mortality rate?
i mean they’re bombing other countries,
they’re doing this,
they want centralized control.
hold please.
we’re,
steve wozniak, the former, the founder of the apple
stop! Stop. hold this thought
says the best AI is not as good as an ants brain!
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right but hold this thought yeah but hold this
thought the mortality highways listen
you can’t think if people are in the woods with hoods up
but the people with at google
that are working on autonomous vehicles yeah
they’re not the same people that are
trying to control governments all out
but it’s controlled by those guys all of
those people at google want to usher in
uh you know a brave new world.
they want to remake uh the world in in the way
you’re saying all these people
some of them are, some are just writing software
to make a better picture.
a lot of them that are not.
joe, joe
i really feel like i’m the BLEEPING voice of reason!
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yeah you’re very combative joe.
these are utopians,
they want to create a paradise on earth
joe i brought you through control
i brought you the documents joe
we have the-
i’m sucking on this cigar like it’s a jelly doughnut
i’m hoping i can get to the weed on the inside.
i’m like i’m licking the outside.
what do-
what does it say-
what does it say-
what does it say
i think it’s confirmable to the end of humanity
what is this see okay but it’s a person who wrote this
it’s adam curry, he’s probably got a pistol in his mouth right now
that’s the wall street journal cover story
i don’t really mean that adam i apologize
that’s the wall street journal cover story
may i please tell you what i came here for
you came here for a reason?
[54:40]
yes.
hold on here it is.
covid19 has spotlighted the promise and peril of transhumanism
the idea of using technology to overcome sickness aging and death
okay but what is he saying
i used to fall asleep every night listening to alex talk about this
so i want to let alex talk about this
until they took him off youtube
okay but
make this the way i feel going to sleep every night
not only did they do that but
do you know they they BLEEPING
took a young turks podcast
podcast
let’s talk about that in a minute
can i please can we get some weed
in the aggressive
yeah we can get some we got something outside
no you need it no i can’t i’ll blow it at you like
you get a cat high does that not cheating
if i blow it your face
i can’t do it
i’ll blow it in your face
i can’t do it
i’m getting kind of hot from the cigar
well you listen i need to talk to you
i’m a little lightheaded all right
i’m gonna i’m gonna go get some apple juice
and i’m gonna pray to jesus
we got something here listen listen
i need to talk to you
they’re still
go go grab yourself
go grab some bottles and some ice cream
get them some apple juice
for the transhumanism discussion please
listen you wonder why i’m so crazy no
because i discovered this stuff uh
right out of mainline documents and
i’ve known it for 26 years 27 years well
here’s another thing let me tell you something
i like we we all know that you’ve BLEEPING some things up
right and the your biggest BLEEPING up is sandy hook
but you’ve gotten so many things right
this is why i keep talking to you about these things
and why i defend you
and why i think that it’s BLEEPING dangerous
to censor you and to say
oh this guy we need to get him de-platformed
to get all these things
you’re revealing some things that have
been proven on the show
so far to be true that make people very uncomfortable
well the first thing i was gonna do was thank you
for having me on and have the courage
but i was gonna say the BLEEPING bohemian grove thing
the bohemian grove thing, that was amazing
that was the first time i really got
into what he was doing and that was like amazing.
i mean when you watch that movie watch that you know
it’s it’s a paradigm shift
i’ve had people trying to minimize that
i’ve had people just they all do i go
listen to me, i’m not a billionaire,
well i’ll give you the real take on it
because i’ve been there and i think
it’s just a gateway to things but let’s get into what we grow
in a moment.
i really want to give you i i want to give you the big enchilada
the big enchilada okay yeah just moleay sauce
yes sir just like i love moleay sauce
i do too just like i’m saying the
engineers and meanwhile a lot of them have good points
i’m not saying they’re wrong about all this stuff
i’m simply telling you
i’ve read what the globalists have to say in their own
establishment communication okay
and i have it right here in my notes to talk
to you about the post-human era
and the system that they are setting up
where in all of their main publications
they say: humans are flawed, humans are bad
they are but they are flawed right but
then these corporations are saying
they’re going to take us out of our bodies
and make a silicon and that’s what elon musk talks about be
where are those that worship ai gods
well he’s actually talking about neuralink
which is something where
they’re going to be able to interface with your brain
and increase the bandwidth in which you access information
but go ahead
well that’s it and that’s it seems inevitable doesn’t it?
no it’s not inevitable
already driverless cars don’t know a wreck up ahead or what to do.
they have more accidents
steve wozniak, as i was saying earlier,
the founder of co-founder of apple says
the best ai isn’t a million percent,
you know close to how good an ant’s brain is.
stop stop
stop stop stop
when they first developed cars they said,
well how are you going to take them,
there’s no roads.
sure.
they built roads
here’s the-
do you understand that the ai that’s powering these cars now, is not
you understand the people running they are predatory anti-humans
that say they want to get rid of
this is not a predatory anti no i didn’t say he was but i understand
he’s working on autonomous vehicles he said beware
those that speak of ai gods yes
okay a lot of people are worried that
look Elon is more concerned
don’t give me one of those
you keep that
BLEEPING away from me
no no no no
no he doesn’t drink good thank you
he’s sober
broken all this extra i’m sitting next to alex jones i’m as high
election night okay, but listen listen
election night we’re gonna get lit.
but these guys who are making this in hollywood
this is fake this is only, uh corn syrup coloring
do you think this is a good idea though.
this idea that we should be expanding our minds in this way
and putting our chips on
don’t think it’s good or bad i think it
is the nature of human innovation
i think we take things we improve upon them we-
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they had morse code right yes they went
from morse code to you being able to send me
uh a facetime video understood
well these things happened
we’re not against technology humans
we’re not against technology okay
so you’re not against technology
but what i’m saying is
if you follow technological innovation
it becomes better and better
and more and more invasive
we need to design it where it doesn’t make us obsolete
humans take control their environment
we build our environment
the globalists have decided to have a post-human future
where humans are no longer relevant
this is where you lose me
i can show you
they’re damn close
but i’m- he’s getting me- because
i just gave you an article
i just gave you an article
because i think he’s right i think the
only reason we’re still around is
because they haven’t figured out
how to get robots good enough to get rid of all of it
if they had the right robots there would be no walmart
they should get rid of everybody
you you don’t think that if they were the right robots
right they’re making us obsolete
they’re making us awesome
get rid of the world danger danger
cooler
i like to go to walmart is that okay
not but once you have a robot you won’t want to go to walmart
why
because it’s it’s it’s dirty
it’s filthy everyone’s got covid
i listened to you
that’s why they’re doing the coma
that is the poster you’re not essential under covid
they listen they want a sense they want to train you
okay listen
look how calculators were great
no one knows how to do math now
look how phones are great
no one knows their numbers anymore
all the statistics show that the science
of technology is making us dumb
and that’s why they wrote the big article
the co-owner of sun microsystems in 2000
bill joy, wrote: why the future doesn’t need us
and he explains
he went to a top billionaire tech conference
and they made the decision to not let humans
sit around and play video games in the future
that they were just going to slowly phase us out
and kill everybody
stop. they’re not trying to kill us okay?
pull up why the future doesn’t need us!
but why why wouldn’t they.
can we reverse engineer the question?
because we’re called useless eaters.
i don’t think they’re trying to kill people
i think they’re trying to improve what a person is
what i think we’re doing
oh by chopping our son’s balls off?
okay you’re going to go down another rabbit hole
you son of a BLEEPING
by increasing our ability to access information
and by becoming a sort of a symbiotic creature
aligned with technology
and once we’re in line with the ai
it can censor everything we do
you think big tech,
the minute big tech got control,
they began censoring
and it’s the groups behind that are very predatory joe
i do agree with you there.
there’s no firewall
here’s the problem,
the first amendment currently does not apply to big tech
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i believe that what’s happening now with
whether it’s twitter or facebook or youtube
these platforms are so big
i think the argument can be made
that they are utilities and that they
should be regulated like youtube
it should be a human we did not i agree
we did not to have access to these things
we did not talk about what we’re going
to cover pretty much
we’re going to talk about a lot of
things let’s bring this this is what i
wrote last night okay you’re ready
the silicon called i want you to take it
down enough the silicon cult
okay go ahead it’s another article no i
wrote this oh you wrote it these are
talking points the silicon cult
defining the enemy the war on carbon
announce up front that i am not
really a liberal or conservative i want
a pro-human future please listen to me
and hear me out
let’s stop right there because you get called
a neo-conservative you get called alt-right
you get called a far-right person when i first
met you you were protesting against
george w bush and you were saying that what he
was doing and what he was trying to usher in what
was essentially going to be the downfall
of western civilization even before he was elected
yes i remember that
so when people say alex jones is a far right guy i’m like
he’s complicated he’s
he’s really against corruption
more than he’s against any particular party
you just found that the right was less apt to censor you
and more apt to listen to your ideas
exactly and i know we’re all
not stoned today and so we’re being like
a little aggressive but here’s the old
election night if i’m gracious enough to
be here or you’re gracious enough
i’ll be here
we’ll we’ll get hammered but listen
let’s get into bohemian grove
let’s get into the technology
let’s get into who runs things
let’s get into the mindset
whatever points you want and i’ll try to just go through it
this is yeah
this is because you’re saying they want mortality on their own
look at this thin young handsome boyish baby-faced alex jones
that’s 2004. but yeah i mean i know you in like 1998
well in 98. i met you in 98 but i just got to know you
this was when you were-
98 was when you were protesting and this is my clip
you guys are welcome to play this
it’s really good
yeah i’ll sign a sign of form
what is what is going on in this game
he’s interviewing a lizard
let’s let’s no this is this is the one
that’s been a lot of different newspapers
and that’s the bohemian grove you want
to start it over it’s david let me tell
you what i’m saying
we set it up okay right where he goes
david gergen i’m outside uh
what’s the main thing in new york where
everybody plays by the way this is when
bill hicks was alive so i can confirm
that you are not building madison square
garden madison square
garden and here comes david gergen the
karl rove of like four or five administrations
and i knew that he was part of the
actual ritual at bohemian grove so i
bring it up to him and he blows up at me
here it is okay
he’s like eight feet about the tall
there yeah is our camera are you yeah
right there just about yeah but i
just want to get your permission first
here okay okay just it’s local i can
i’ve i’ve got
no i understand we’re talking to david gergen
and he has advised several presidents
and of course has written quite a few uh books
and uh is a i would call you a political pundit
or researcher
commentary it
over the hill whatever
one last question
i read a washington times article many years ago
where you had a comment about the organization
and then now it’s been in the wall street journal
it’s been a lot of different newspapers
and that’s the bohemian grove and back
in what was in 1996 when you joined
as a clinton advisor they were the
republicans were criticizing you oh what
about bohemian grove and then
you counted them and then you countered
them by saying hey i don’t run around in
the woods naked what does that mean
here is the before mentioned washington
times article where he said i didn’t run
around naked like they do
i don’t i don’t know what i don’t know
what quote you’re referring to i’m not
aware of any quote like that
uh listen uh i i am um
a happy member of the bohemian grove i
like the the folks who come there
and uh it’s really inappropriate for me
to talk about a uh
the group beyond that thank you have you
been there for the ceremony with uh
the cremation of care uh frankly that’s
uh that i don’t think that’s something i
need to talk to you about
now what we’re watching for people that
are just listening is a bunch of people
wearing robes
that are burning an effigy in front of a
giant statue of molech the owl god and
it’s the evidence of a child
well i don’t know what it’s that it’s
what it is i think it’s the effigy of a
child it looks like i believe it is a grown woman
it’s real mad right here and yeah
okay watch this
uh frankly that’s uh that i don’t know
five seconds we missed it
i said you take part in the ritual back
it up five seconds i’m alex jones that’s
some information to care
uh frankly that’s uh that i don’t think
that’s something i need to talk to you about
really that’s right well i’m alex jones
and i snuck in there in 2000. i’m the
guy that blew it wide open
and got the video it’s been on national
tv well i disrespect you for that
you do i do but there’s a lot of big
public officials going in there
you don’t we deserve to know you too i
don’t know anything about you and i
don’t know about your film
but if you go in there with an
understanding you violated that
understanding by releasing that film and
i don’t respect you for that
really you have a public appointment
i’m sorry you took an understanding when you went in there
that you would not do that film and you did.
you haven’t understand when you went in there?
no.
did you crash it?
yes.
yeah and it has no trespassing signs
there too doesn’t it no they put them
after oh i’m sorry i’m sorry sir i’ve
been there before i know what i want the
circumstances are
and i’m sorry you violated the
understandings but it was not that was
not a gentleman or anything today what
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that’s all the people these BLEEPING
heads of state and billionaires that’s
the other thing they run the world these
people i don’t owe you this comment i know
you you have you this is what’s called
ambush journalism and i disrespect you
for that as well so thank you
goodbye that’s not even your damn business
oh all right listen oh
it’s getting cocky you go around and and
make understandings with people and violate them
you you should ambush people on the
streets when that that’s inappropriate
form of journalism if you wish to
practice that that’s fine but don’t ask
others to respect you for it
if you want to you you can do you’re
free american like anything you want if
you want to be uncivil
and rude and ungently that’s up to you
but don’t expect the rest of us to say
oh well you’re mr gergen i’m sorry
nobody sets policy in there
we try to be a gentleman and obviously
you don’t belong there weaving spiders
yeah that is a three-parter
anyways that’s a three point listen you
could ignore that if it was like a bunch
of poor people in the woods doing that
these guys even then i’d be worried even
then it would be weird these guys are
that are the top of like every industry in america
it’s at least curious
who goes in there well people
are like i mean clint eastwood’s
gone he’s not really a member look look
is it fun look it’s 2 700 acres
it was set up by mark twain and it was a
liberal deal for like hookers and gateds
and just everything else just a big huge
would you say gateds what gateage gay oh
gay dudes i was like no i’m saying if
you go back to like the 1870s
when mark twain set up it was
classically liberal it was partying it
was their own 27 acres it was saloons
they brought in female hookers there was
gay guys in there everything
it was just it was bohemian groves well
they called that the people did whatever
they wanted it was it was so it was open
and they had like poetry and they had
plays and all the rest of it then
uh by the time howard taft became
president the republicans basically bought it
so the reason is it’s important is the
republicans go there
to like they ship in all these private
hookers all these jets land nearby
but they also have a lot of gay sex
which they use them to basically
compromise people
into the cult and so there’s a lot of
gay sex how do you know this
uh it came out in news articles no one
ever got footage of it i was in there
for one day i snuck in and people i
looked good back then they hit on me a lot
i had like you know people i recognized
from tv walking right let’s go right now
i mean it’s a big gay hookup deal for
republicans i’m just telling you what it is
and and then and then they’ve got this
this ritual that’s only the feeder group
so i’m sitting there during the ritual
and i’m like hey this is pretty cool but
you go shut up i’ll kill you
and they’re all taking it very seriously
and i’m not saying it’s a gay thing i’m
saying something that goes on
you were saying it was cool and people
were getting angry that you were saying
no i mean i was just quietly going oh
this is really interesting they’re like
shut up this is a very important ritual
and they were taking it very serious
this hearse comes in
with the body of a child it is an effigy
they’re not killing it and
it’s just a bundle of sticks right yeah
well it looks like a kid no well later
others infiltrated later that worked
there and got his photos of it
it’s an image of a kid
it’s a little kid because molokh in
in biblical is who they they sacrifice
the canaanites
it’s a bull but they do it as an owl
but that’s from the bible is you would
sacrifice a child to give not your
children to the fires of mullet
right and and so i’ve given it to
experts in religious history it’s not
even you know from christian perspective
it’s a faustian deal mixed with
babylonian and religious
stuff from tyre yeah it’s quirky look at
that look at that owl god and look at the fire
underneath the owl god and there’s
ronald reagan i mean if you saw that if
you were in the woods and you just saw
that you would be
terrified and richard nixon says
richard nixon on the richard nixon tapes
says it’s a gay orgy
richard nixon said that you can pull up
richard nixon talks about yeah richard
nixon said something about it where
he the most goddamn BLEEPING thing you ever
seen i think it’s i think it’s just
allowing well nothing against that’s what it’s saying
i think it’s guys that aren’t gay that
are that are that engaging gay acts
in the woods and then they have
something on each other similar to epstein’s island
that’s right it’s that’s what it’s a
rich it’s a it’s a it’s like a
fraternity doing that you’re gonna screw up something
is that poison
hold on a second what is this here
and they don’t allow women
no it says uh founded in 1872 by a group of male
1 that’s the context that youtube has
let me talk about bohemian grove
this is the title of the video
i’m told you found 18 richard nixon
bohemian grove most BLEEPING goddamn thing he could ever
imagine yeah
yes play it
a hundred percent
play it i want to hear some nixon tapes yeah
northern california you know what’s
happening in san francisco
but it isn’t this is just not an iraqi
part of town
but the upper class of the san francisco
is that way the bohemian grove that i am in
one time at the time the others have
come there
but it is the most vague goddamn that
you will ever imagine
the san francisco crowd goes in there
it’s just terrible okay
so weird the owl and the uh it’s interesting and it
i don’t know how seriously they take it
i mean that’s the real question right
well yeah
i mean the whole gate thing’s a side
issue right the point is is that
i’ve talked to people that i mean
according to ted gunderson the first
time i’ve ever heard about this was from
this former high-level fbi agent who’s
gonna be the fbi director but he
wouldn’t go along with corruption so he
wasn’t it’s on record gunners and almost
being the fbi director and he blew up
like the things like the franklin
scandal and he’s been
the finders and the financial level
which was huge yeah which where the cia was caught
trafficking you know the finders is a
cult that was called trafficking children
and the cia squashed the florida uh
and then gundersen got it rated in in dc
and found a whole cia facility
with the snuff films every relax machine
and so he told me about all this and i
thought he was crazy
even though he was ted gunderson you
told us about it and we actually
pulled up one of those stories and i was
correct yes you’re correct yes
yeah thank you so ted gunner says the
reason i know about this and he said
he said that they get people interested
with that ritual most there’s like 2 000
members they bring about a thousand
guests not everybody can bring a guest
unlike the head of each camp can bring a
guest most of them are nice clint
eastwood goes there you know
danny glover goes there but it’s an
all-male deal who’s the other one danny
glover oh danny glover i’m just
mentioning it who’s
the weapon danny that’s all in there how
the BLEEPING is he in there
they probably like him from there he’s
just a fun guy i saw him when i was there
i saw that interesting i’m starting to
believe this is not i’m sorry to believe
we can get in i’m starting to believe
it’s not bad
joe rogan they’d have him in immediately
i mean not now do a podcast
in front of the owl but i just want to say that
overall what started out as a it’s a
truly artsy liberal thing that i think is good
i think guys deserve to go off the woods
like we’ve done since
humans were humans and party and do whatever
right and so and so it’s but the thing
is then the weird skull here’s what happened
about 1900 skull and bones that was at uh yale
in new haven connecticut that was a
german death cult it took over bohemian
grove and that’s when they set up that
as the central deal so it’s this big inviting fun party
what happens is skull and bones because
that’s one of the other rumors about skull and bones
they compromise you
i know they compromise you so that you’re always a part of this organization
before he died i did multiple interviews with anthony sutton
the top congressional advisor to senator frank church
and we only know about sutton because
charlotte israeli whose father was high-level skull and bones
gave him all of their internal manuals
and she’s been a frequent guest
she’s retired now
america’s secret establishment
an introduction to the order of skull and bones
yes okay and so this is this is a
russell trust uh true illuminati
illuminati set up 1776 to counter our revolution by adam
visable it funds the jacobins
it funds the french revolution it’s it’s
the opposite of a true egalitarian open
liberal revolution
it’s the leftist always say they’re the liberal
liberal and leftists are two different deals
leftist is left hand past satanism
liberalism is egalitarian open society
true liberalism
and so the left-hand path uh set this up
and then they wanted they sent all this
opium money they had over in 1831
to yale to set up a german secret
society of the illuminati
which then has become one of the
dominant secret societies and in there
they do actual satanic rituals
they get in coffins uh they they do
simulated human sacrifices
they have gay sex as part of the ritual
they they bathe in
uh huge facilities of feces uh this was
this was a made by robert de niro made a movie
skull and bones are doing that stuff now
absolutely i know somebody broke into it
but wow who’s the
how can this be proven
well matt damon made a movie
called the good shepherd i think yes and
and in that it’s robert de niro directed it
okay and that’s super accurate where
it’s got the sword and the devil and
they’re in they’re in these big vats of
calming they did leak a facebook uh
photo album of a bunch of skull and
bones kids hand on a deer island that
kind of looked like losers
i know they’re not nobody i know they’re
not but they kind of look like lose i
mean it was kind of like embarrassing
billionaires look like losers yeah they
look like emaciated
you were like these are the- these are the illuminati?
it was kind of
like no i totally agree with you yeah
remember abc news because they wanted to
get bush in trouble right before the 2004 election
another frat was able to because they’re
all doing this crap shoot video down
into it where they’re going devil equals
death satan and they had girls they
finally brought into the membership
it was all boys before yeah sacrificing
so of course it’s idiotic
it’s training wheels for what they do
but inside they go grave rob they’ve got geronimo skull
yeah the george h.w bush stole
supposedly stole geronimo skull yeah you
got to do things like i don’t know if
that but that’s a root that’s a
legend rumor thing yeah it’s probably
been broken into yeah one time the
police went in there but the point is
is that skull and bones order 322
is the illuminati germanic death cult
that now set up chapters all of the u.s
and it took over bohemian grove
around 1900 and so that’s why bohemian grove is still this
artisan you know deal of elitist artist
but then it got co-opted by the
republican party in skull boats
and helmet schmidt german chancellor
wrote men in power as a political retrospective
we retired in the late 80s saying i love
our illuminati rituals
that we have in germany in our own
sacred groves but i think they’ve taken
to a new level with skull and bones
at bohemian grove and i really enjoy the time we have there
so these are just these elite institutions where
and skull and bones i think they seek to like create uh
close friends amongst people that may
not know each other create loyalty
amongst this group of people that’s why
they got to tell them all the things
that yeah you got to tell them all the
sexual history all that stuff
they want these people to be loyal to
each other so when they they’re not
loyal to the laws of america they’re
loyal to this this oath that they take
with each other and exactly and it’s
like a team america
look at this descendant sue’s skull and
bones over geronimo’s bones
documents show george h bush george w
bush’s grandfather rob
geronimo’s grave members members of the
secret society allegedly steal
valuable things and put them in tomb
great grandson says geronimo should be burned
buried in accordance with tradition federal law
protects native americans rights to
their family member’s remains
and let’s expand on that what he just
said because this guy’s done he’s studying
it’s like thank you it’s like a team
america when the head guy goes
she’s the only person who’s ever said
i’ve said no no nobody says you go suck
my BLEEPING gary it’s not about sex
in skull and bones in bohemian grove
what he said is most these guys are not gay
it’s an act of dominance like
oh you’re a senator you want to be president?
bend over and like a former president
screws you in the ass
and that’s what they do i mean the
ritual is i’m in charge bend over
well isn’t that a thing with fraternities anyway
like hazing the jizz on a cracker
exactly so it’s the next deal yeah
but most people are fraternity
i mean these are the top kids
these are kids that they think
are going to occupy leadership positions
in the world and often do and often do
so even let me give you an example even
john ronson saw the photo with me when
we stuck in bohemian grove yeah
and and they had it hanging and people
say why don’t you get a video i have a
camera hidden right here
it’s henry kissinger bent over in a
woman’s dress sticking his fingers in his ass
bill clinton in a blue dress with jeff
in jeffrey epstein’s house yeah but
that’s just an artist’s rendition do you
know that that was just an artist made
that yeah but maybe this was an artist rendition
we’re in a clubhouse yeah bronson wrote about this oh so
it’s a photo or a painting no it was a
it looked like a photo but let’s just
say it’s a painting i don’t know it wasn’t i mean
it’s ancient memory 20 years ago okay 20
plus you know but i mean bronson’s like
look at that i’m like
oh is that kissinger
yeah it’s kissinger
it’s all about being improper and then they all go get
caught to compromise each other to be in
the club it’s a hazing thing so that
they can trust each other because
they’re all doing shady BLEEPING yeah yes
even if it’s an artist’s rendition why
does jeffrey epstein have it in his
townhouse a picture of the president in
a blue dress well because the president
flew in his BLEEPING well that’s what i
mean that’s what i mean he was busy
and by the way maxwell has now come out
in court it’s getting no attention confirming
okay clinton did fly to that island that
broke four days ago it’s gotten zero
yeah no they’re not paying they’re not
paying attention we haven’t heard
anything other than those court documents
listen i told you listen guys it’s not
like i’m even that special
my mom’s brother was a famous helicopter
pilot in vietnam
running black ops into laos and cambodia
and stuff and then he
i i shouldn’t tell these stories but no
one’s ever heard this stuff
but you know i remember growing up and
telling me this stuff and it was it was true
like they were i’m like i’m not going to do it please
i just can’t do it what’s the danger you said so much uh
well no i mean let’s just say he took
the fall for something that was going on
he didn’t get in trouble for it he got promoted
and he was involved in iran contra and
that’s how people get promoted they fail upward by
taking a lot of times to blame for something or this is
that’s like so i grew up i i mean i grew
up not just him but other family you
know that was it was like something special
you know about those navy seal guys you
got a security done a bunch of crazy
stuff that’s what our military does it’s
not what you hear on the news right and
and and it’s just completely out of control stuff
right and i mean my uncle told me he
said he said yeah i know i got out
of working for these groups and
everything uh as you know an army
officer that was sheep dip he wasn’t
there we wouldn’t yeah he wasn’t wearing an army uniform
yeah right hot we were talking high
level like you’re talking running the
real stuff like right
here well he was in charge he liked the
command base in guatemala city right
because he was like a top morse code guy
yeah of course he had satellites there
but nobody could read this morris code
coded so he was sending stuff to the
white house moore’s coat like
he was like when he was a kid he was a
champion morse coder so he wasn’t just
in command he was like running all the stuff
and uh he just said i had to do it
because he said it was kids
being smuggled out of orphanages by
the cia for sex ops in dc
jesus christ
right he told me that
he told me that when he was dying of pneumonia
jesus BLEEPING
yeah now what is it with kids
why is the way to compromise people
it’s the it’s the energy too
yeah i mean if somebody will hurt kids
and he wouldn’t if somebody will hurt kids
like what else they’ll do anything but
that’s what everyone’s so terrified of
today right that there are
some sex trafficking and sex cultures
and there’s ten times over ten times i
love people but that’s like
they are there but that’s a fact right
but if you want to get on BLEEPING gets wild
and it’s sloppy and messy and you’ve
talked about that too it gets sloppy and
messy and they’re not right about everything
but the idea there are human traffic the the entire
is just people on the internet they’re
like playing games larping
acting like they’re taking credit for
something and a lot of them are good
people it’s just that
you can give them like bona fide like
look they just busted a giant child
trafficking ring associated press
they don’t want that they want no
there’s underground bases and there’s
dinosaurs they’re sailing wants the real
BLEEPING
they don’t want to want so is it that
they’re just into things that are
just huge more ridiculous than reality
like what is yeah
because it’s escapism
and hillary’s in prison secretly
oh right i think they just learned about
the world over the last year and it
melted their mind
like you’ve been looking at
when you were wrong with joe a few
months ago you crystallize it perfectly
yeah they’ve been asleep
now they’ve woken up and now they think
everything’s a cartoon version well say
like you said yeah well it was just like
again it’s like if you didn’t know
anything about the franklin scandal you
didn’t know about epstein or you hadn’t
read these books you didn’t know the
stories your uncle told you and then
eventually you just found out there was an
island where all these politicians were
going to and having sex with kids and
they were getting compromised
your mind would melt and then you would
get paranoid and then you would start
thinking that everybody’s a pedophile
and that there’s tunnels underground
when the reality is it is bad
but sometimes you have to take a step
back and take a breath and realize that like
there are good people and not everybody is
evil but there is a lot of evil out
there but you got to take a step back
and try to realize like what is what
well there’s one picture of clinton
getting massaged by this woman
and they were using it as uh sort of
evidence but the woman’s clearly a woman
she’s in her 20s and they were saying
she’d been working for him since she was like 15.
let’s never use clinton as the example
of the q and on people being wrong
that’s not even what i’m saying it’s
never there it is that’s a grown woman
she’s a grown-up yeah so listen
let’s be clear the media did a limited hangout
they went with these whistleblowers instead of all the other people
and and the fact that the the witnesses reported at epstein island
in the caribbean little st george on the other island too
that boats would pull up the middle of the night to the shacks
with with little brown kids and those are the ones that get disappeared
but who who reported this
it’s in it’s in the uh it’s in major documentaries
it’s in netflix documentaries
it’s in all the witnesses we talked to
and they said my witnesses my people i
talked to over 10 years ago said
you remember me telling you about it
they’ve got an island the caribbean
they’ve got an island in the mediterranean
they’ve got ranches in the southwest and that they
well he had a ranch in new mexico right
yeah that came out later i wasn’t told
exactly where i mean the idea that these
kids would disappear potentially
isn’t crazy no it’s not crazy not crazy
at all here’s an example
i was told by a high-level source that
major hollywood producers by name
ran a cult where they branded women next
to their vagina the nixium thing
but but i put it out two years before it
broke so i was told this by high level
source i remember you talking to me about it
and and then they had a they even had
articles going in huffington post jones claims
harvey weinstein’s connected to groups
that you know do all this
and i was just going off what people told me
and i said i didn’t even say weinstein
that’s what’s crazy is
they were already trying to cover it in
case i said that they’re like oh
weinstein’s not involved the branding
women well it never even came out he was
it was the other guy
right so it’s just but what you said did
turn out to be true
yeah as fantastic as it sounded as outrageous
as ridiculous it turned out to be true now
it’s in the news first time i ever heard
of ted gunderson let me pull him out ted gunderson
it’s on wikipedia up to be fbi director
he was the head of la imagine what he
learned there he’s telling me he goes:
man i’ve been the fbi 20 years
i got to be the head of LA
he was like: it’s devil worshiping everywhere.
blew me away.
you know pedophilia, you name it um
he knew about the manson thing really being a satanic ritual
and there’s a senator from nebraska named john decamp
who was friends with who he was friends with
and john decamp was a guy who he blew the whole thing wide open like
he was cia he blew the whole thing wide open
well that was um that was his mentor so de camp’s mentor
was um a guy who was a high-level cia
guy who jamie can pull that up he was
in a phoenix operation and he was killed and i feel like
in the in the in the uh in the canoe and
you know the dinner was still on the
table he was killed in a canoe yeah this
was a high-level cia guy john decamp was
a nebraska senator who broke open
this human trafficking operation this by
the way i’m having a hold on hold on
yeah no there’s a pedophile cult it was
trafficking kids across america
and it was centered out of the omaha federal uh
omaha federal credit union was being run by a
guy named larry king was this rising
star in the republican party he’s probably still alive
he has pictures of maureen reagan all that stuff these kids
were being trafficked to dc to la to new york wherever
de camp stumbled upon this
stumbled upon the occult weird ritualBLEEPING going on too
in addition to the pedophilia and all that
and then he went to this guy his mentor
who he knew from from vietnam from the
military who was a cia guy whose name is escaping me
william colby
william colby you went to
liam called me and william colby basically said to the camp listen
you’re going up force you’re going up
against forces that are way too powerful
you don’t even know what you’re you’re
knocking on here and then william colby
i think changed his mind and said BLEEPING
it you know what we should stop doing like let’s if we’re
gonna fight this let’s fight it
and then a little while later william
colby who was in great healthcare
yeah has an accident in his canoe is found dead
um in a river right by his house with
his dinner still on the table so it’s
like nobody nobody gets up in the middle
of the dinner to go canoeing
so this has been a common theme forever
whereas if you go against these
these people you find you’re dead he was
76 when he drowned though
yeah but in a canoe while his dinner was
still sometimes people have heart
attacks when they’re 76. i understand i
understand i understand that okay we’re
connecting dots here that maybe we don’t need to
disclose okay uh william colby director
of central intelligence chose to
disclose some of the nation’s darkest
secrets to save the spy service he loved
who was a private investigator hired to
get to the bottom of the it’s like barry
steele man they’re getting rid of the
people they just get rid of them
all right so so listen we’ve done
bohemian grove we’ve done
let me tell you senator de camp was on record running
major level operation phoenix which was
a high-level cia torture operation
and an execution operation so uh
apocalypse now is kind of based on some
of the things they did
but he’s on record highly decorated at
that i don’t want to go too far away
from the epstein thing because i still have a whole lot more
let’s go back to epstein okay the island
itself like first of all epstein had this
crazy place in new york city seven-story palace that
the guy who owned victoria’s secrets he gave it to him
yeah because of probably blackmail right
and then there was other billionaires
who it turned out had and this is like
had been glossed over including bill gates
bill gates stays there and tried to deny
it but bill gates denies
uh staying with uh epstein but confirmed
he stayed there and in his paris home
okay and uh this was also he met with him
post his first arrest correct yes
because he was arrested yeah a lot of
people did chelsea handler i did it with
him i believe after the arrest too i
mean a lot of people looked past that apparently
british royal okay bill gates met with
jeffrey epstein many times despite his past
and they’re gonna say jamie’s really
fast he’s the best he’s the best um so
let’s let’s go back to this american
where are you absolutely getting
a huge interest in tech we love tech yes yes
and he wanted to he he brought
scientists and and big tech people over
his house in new york city here’s the deal
they were doing i said this over 10 years ago
that they were involved in secret
breeding programs for cloning
okay before we get to that scientists
how were they getting these signs where
are they getting all the money first of all
where’s he getting the money get the
silent where’s he getting the money to
to buy this giant or get he was we now
know that he was a nexus point from the dirty sides
of the cia mi6 and mossad at least yeah
and so they were compromising people and
then as he would compromise people
most of them knew they were being
compromised they wanted to be
compromised to be let in
to then run operations and be given even
more money he was also the money manager
for a guy named les wexner who’s a
billionaire who owns victoria’s secret
the limited among other things
that’s the guy he was gifting epstein a property
he gave him a seven
well that’s where he got some of the first money
well eric weinstein who’s a legit yes
financial guy looked at him and said
this guy doesn’t know what the BLEEPING he’s talking about
he said he’s playing a role and then
scientists were like that too when they
went to his house to go
oh epstein’s is is like playing a role yes he has no
you know so whatever he’s doing he’s
working for somebody well let me tell
you they want to corrupt the scientific
elite to go along with their agenda on climate change
to go along with their agenda on viruses
to go along with their agenda because they know
scientists are respected so you want to
have them compromised so they should go
on whatever it is you want so whatever
it is you want so if you want to do
something and manipulate reality to make your agenda
go through you compromise the scientists
and then these elite experts who you have
on film having sex with 16 year olds
then you yeah so maybe man-made global
maybe man-made level warming is real and
really bad doesn’t matter the solution
they have as a global tax you pay them
so it’s a scam but as big as epstein was
he was small compared to these other finders groups
and other organizations that even came out in the news at the
time in the late 80s early 90s and then
the communist chinese they’re running the blackmail rings with
hunter biden and the democratic party
and dianne feinstein and all these people at
levels way way way above anything anybody else has seen
jesus christ
i always i always got a bad feeling from dianne feinstein
i never had anything
turned out her main her main assistant was a chinese actual agent
yeah maxwell powell pleads for release
says jailed heiress sir starving and humiliating clothes
and that’s unfair for her and i think i
mean this is the leader’s statement
you should give her
oh oh she i mean on record this woman
was involved with all these horrible things and now
oh my god she said humiliating clothes
why do you think trump said like
when they asked her about it
well i wish her well he’s always smart ass like
because epstein was killed in prison so
he’s like i wish her well because i want
to get data he’s also like a rich guy he knew her
right i mean well he later clarified it
i gave you what he said
do you think trump’s cleaning everything
in in this extent i mean oh you want to
get the ml on trump well i
would like to because i know that yeah
i’ll give you no no
here we go my only superpower is that i
really try to give you the accurate
thing doesn’t mean i’m always right
about 95 of the time that’s why earlier
went down that rabbit troll what i’m
saying listen trump doesn’t like
lobbyists he fired him only trying to
make the best decisions for everybody in
a pragmatic free market
to not have one side of trade deals but
his blind side was by him not letting lobbyists in
everyone around him became unofficial
lobbyist that became a 20-minute lab
rabbit i’m not bitching about okay but
let me tell you about trump
trump’s dad was a super right-wing
pro-america dude
who was actually a huge founder of the
john birch society
he introduced him to uh the
head of the house un-american activities group
that worked for nixon and eisenhower
that actually ran the red scare
some of it was good as it was bad roy
cohen and so his personal lawyer
for 25 years was roy cohen who
was like joe mccarthy’s best friend
right joe mccarthy’s chief of staff
chief of staff yeah i mean he ran it and
he ran it yeah he ran house and senate
he was he was the big enchilada and so trump
was actually heavily influenced by his
father that was anti-communist
acted nice and liberal in new york but
like knew all this john bert society
like you know we’re talking whole nine
yards but wasn’t roy cohn also involved
in some blackmail stuff oh he was
huge okay all right absolutely and it
was the whole game obviously right
right right yeah christ you guys are
deep you’re deep in this i know that
yeah i know this is all asleep listening
every night i would fall asleep i’d
listen to about a half hour and then i
would trail off him
and i would fall asleep and now i can’t
do that anymore thank you youtube
you can infowars.com i know we’re
halfway into this i should say
people ask where people come to say i
used to love you i’m sorry you’re all fair now
we have record traffic at infowars.com and banned.video
banned.video we have videos
i’ve had videos this week with three million views
two million views a million views
yeah it’s all there my producer ben avery watches
in forrest.com during holidays
your family be having christmas so i’m
in a room watching influence so speaking of censorship youtube
and facebook have now banned all the q
and on stuff right which is crazy
well this is what’s crazy like what’s
next you gonna ban jfk conspiracy
well if i make a joke about q anon am i gonna get banned?
that’s the other problem
but it’s like you said the the young turks show
well let’s just first talk about the yeah
what is the the show that what’s the jacobins
because uh tim dillon had put the uh the show
uh he he put i’m gonna i’m gonna send it
to you jamie so you could see what it is
uh i’m gonna send you the uh video
that tim uh dillon or excuse me tim pool sent me
i’m gonna send it to you right now jamie
so let me explain this okay
the young turds are anti-free speech for
everybody including me and then she goes
but i’m not anti-free speech
i just want alex jones banned
but then they have this new show called
the jacobins well let’s talk about evil
the young turks were the group
that ran the armenian genocide
they ran the armenian genocide on record
kill over a million half christians
they named themselves the young turks
they go oh we don’t know what that means
now they’re called the jacobins
the jacobins ran the french revolution right
and were the illuminati i told you about them earlier yeah
so it’s like every name they’ve got is
like the hitler youth basically
i mean you know the the young turks and
that is a very unfortunate name
well they also people run around
with you know the people who watch a lot
of those shows walk around with
either the chickavera shirts or they’re
unironically calling themselves maoists
these are like suburban white kids
walking around going on my mallet 100 smartphones
right yeah yeah that is a problem i
think they’re trying to do good and i
think they think they are doing good i really do
i think when they thought that hey uh i’m not
uh anti-free speech but ban alex jones right
they just don’t understand what that means there’s a reason
why you can’t just go around censoring people
and again
the answer to bad speech is better speech
right that has always been the answer
but here’s the big problem
once they silence you they can then make
up whatever they want because people all
the time here’s what’s worse
alex and this is you personally but the
problem is when they silence someone
with a censor someone
and then that person’s not the that’s
that’s not the target anymore
they look for another target and they
invariably go left
they invariably exactly get on a power trip
but hold on a second the left is not left enough
so if you’re a centrist they’ll call you all right yeah
because you need to be compliant
completely with the ideology if you’re not compliant
they they will they keep moving what’s acceptable
and what constitutes racism sexism
classism homophobia transphobia
it’s a power grab but they keep changing it
and they move the line
geoge orwell talked about this in 1984 yeah
he was like
if you ban all the words if all you
you will
you literally
you will be
you will change thoughts
because you you can’t have all the
i forget orwell’s words on uh
on producing language
he said he said what they want
is to reduce the language
where no one’s even able to communicate
and that’s the goal so we think of it as
a leftist thing that’s out of control no
i paraphrased it and i BLEEPING it up but
the point is what they didn’t see
they didn’t use hindsight they didn’t
they well they didn’t it’s called
sock well that what they did
it’s so hard to talk with you
what they didn’t do
is they didn’t look joey
they didn’t look to where this goes
they didn’t understand
they didn’t extrapolate
they didn’t say or
maybe some of them did
and some of them wanted to go if you
start if you start censoring
there’s a real pr and i know people are
saying no you should censor people that
say terrible things because they
influence our children and
you you can’t but joe it’s a power grab
they get off once they’ve got one scalp
they’re going to scalp everybody
including themselves and that’s the
motivation of the people that are doing it
that’s not what i’m concerned with what
i’m concerned with is the problem itself
because you keep finding a new target you keep
finding a new a new person who’s doing something that’s
that’s what i’m saying they don’t want
to give up they want more more more but
it’s not that they’re trying to grab
power it’s just you’re always trying
look you’ve you’ve started the game yeah
they’re losers that want to control
reality because they’re projecting their
own hatred for themselves on us you
don’t think part of it is that they want
power to control the discussion
there’s most certainly a part of that
yeah that’s a part that’s human nature
but joe you just said i’m hard to
deal with well because you talk over
people when they’re talking you don’t
let them get the full
you’ve been talking a lot
you get you don’t let people get a full thought out
they’re in
tim does it like when he’s thought
what i was saying is he’s talking and
you you jump in and the problem is i
know you have some things to say but
then you BLEEPING with the thing that’s
coming out of the other person okay
explain to me how the sensors are loving
people that’s what you’re trying to do
not saying they love people i’m saying
they don’t they they’re not
looking at it correctly because the way
they’re looking at it they think they’re
doing a good thing and they’re going to
usher for some
utopian uh world of communication where
people are only saying the things they agree with
the problem with that is you don’t find
out who’s right unless you get everybody talking
but still i agree the only way it’s
worse than that you can’t have an echo chamber
it’s dangerous echo chambers are
dangerous and in what tech has done
is created these left-wing ideological echo chambers
i totally agree and they’re also forcing
people into self-censorship
because if you don’t comply with the
rules that they’ve set forth
then you get banned so you comply and you you you find
you find people it is a cult ideal
ideologically like this listen it is a cult
joe i think there’s a lot of these
cultures what i’m trying to say to you is you’ve
never been not smoking weed with me on air
you need i know it’s a bummer we should
donald trump is going to win you think
so but then the democrats are going to contest it
and we’re going to have the 79 days but
why are all the polls showing that joe
biden is in the lead do you think it’s all possible
like last time they said hillary was
gonna win yeah but these are the post
post uh election polls joe what i want
to do is talk to you right now
why are you talking like that he’s like
a funny he’s a conspiracy phone sex operator
right now he’s the only one here drunk
this is a real problem
tim dillon he’s tim dillon
that’s not how tim dillon talks
tim dillon’s looking at you right now do you
do you really think that trump is going to win
because he’s close now he’s going to win big
interesting really
but they’re going to think that but but they’re going
listen i was not trying to interrupt you earlier
well you this is how you talk it’s okay
you you’re you’re there you’re going
you’ve talked twice as much in our last
four-hour podcast i love it
this is the sober joe rogan
let’s get back to this trump what were
we arguing about about political
correctness i don’t know but you were
saying that we weren’t arguing he was
saying that the senator’s agreeing with
you the censors some of the sensors are
trying to do the right thing yes
and that you were saying listen it’s
deeper than that and then that’s where we left off
it’s all been scientifically set up
where they always say oh we’re for outliers now
and dog whistles it’s all about
normalizing centralized control
big technos it’s psychological
algorithms it’s totally destructive
china that has people in muslims in death camps
christians in death camps buddhists and death camps
is trying to totally normalize
censorship here domestically
when the whole left is involved with
communist china through big tech it
doesn’t say a word about them they have
no moral high ground to stand on joe well
we have a real problem in this society
when when it comes to tech
first of all because all the people that
are on the moral high ground who are buying iphones
you know where those things are being made
like we all we all know everybody knows
and i admit it i admit it
i admit it as well there’s no iphones
that are being made in ohio with highly
skilled workers that are paid
an excellent wage and they have great
health care benefits
that’s not what’s happening i don’t know
why but that’s not what’s happening sure
they’ve decided that it’s better to make them cheaper
or better to have a higher profit margin and make them in
other countries or at least they decided
that initially and now they’re stuck
let me ask you this who do you think is going to win
in fact i will be very subdued now since
i’m back jo jorgensen
yeah i think jo jorgensen has a great shot
she’s she’s a shoe-in
and then kanye west i think jo jorgenson
said kenny west i think it’s an it’s a nail but
it’s it’s neck and neck it drives me
crazy like it’s neck and neck right
jennifer aniston
was she made a tweet that said drives me
crazy is you’re hating me right now
i love you because you’re not drinking
hold on a second
there was a BLEEPING hilarious um
response by kanye west she said uh
jennifer aniston put on twitter
hey it’s not funny to uh vote in for kanye don’t do it
and he goes friends wasn’t funny either
hilarious he’s right he’s right
that’s great frisbee’s not funny but
it’s you see the two of them together
friends was a funny show
joe you were great on friends
i wasn’t on friends
that’s a joke
who do you think you think trump
i don’t know if you were a friend’s character
who would you mean
you might be matt leblanc right
will you be jennifer anderson
i don’t think so
[Laughter]
who’s matt leblanc his name is joe
jennifer’s the most successful
i identify as jennifer
he was dumb i’m dumb
perfect
wouldn’t you like to have a dentist
like jennifer aniston in horrible bosses
uh she was a dentist? what did she do
molest her uh patients when they they’re under
okay well you could be molested by worse people
well they’re not kids
i just think it’s funny that they
yeah someone who’s an actor would say that
like this this thing that they feel like they have
this influence they’re gonna change the way people vote
this 80 days of hell you speak of what
does that entail just so i can mentally prepare myself
79 days
79 days of hell
79 days without broken
what’s going to happen
79 days of us locked up in here with cases of whiskey
and huge piles of marijuana yeah he’s lit
no no no you’re a little lit buddy i
don’t actually i could see that bottle
and it was a fresh bottle when you said no
that’s that’s that’s fake that’s
hollywood that’s not hollywood we’re in
texas i gave up hollywood years ago
i haven’t worked in hollywood let’s talk
about this what were you just asking
i don’t know 79 days of hell the
democrats could test the election problem
79 to see this is not fair
79 days of hell
that’s how many days there are after
november third to the inauguration
and john podesta in the new york times
they had a big war game
with the new york times sat in on a
democrat high-level war game with hillary clinton and
joe biden and all of them and they said
we’re going to contest we think we’re going to win
but if we lose we’re still going to
contest and we’re going to contest
and we’re going to call for the u.n to
come in and occupy the u.s the u.n is
going to occupy the u.s and then and
then the new york times came out and said we need the U.N
to intervene in the u.s election and now the four horsemen
uh just called for that yesterday
jesus and so they are planning to have
who’s the four horsemen?
aoc and the rest of the crew
oh jesus christ
and so those
I thought that’s the tribe.
anyways and so they’re there
and they’re planning to have western states
western states secede and they’re saying
they’re going to hold the election up
you already saw this they already denied
the last election they could take
portland yeah you take it all it takes a lot of the
79 days of hell let me ask you this who cares
you when did you decide to try to escape
california well i told you the looting
with the looting hand
you told me off-air yeah i had zero faith
in their ability to uh maintain law and order because
if you’re gonna pay all that money in
taxes i feel like you should at least
feel like they’re protecting things
and when they were just letting them
smash windows and cops were told
to stand down particularly in santa monica
there was like direct orders and the sheriff was
you know being widely criticized for
this they were told to stand down while
these people were smashing and looting things
um when when they were doing that i was like well
you can’t live in a place where that’s
being tolerated because this is
this this this goes from stores
to you know they’ll move to nightclubs
and move to restaurants they’ll decide
it had nothing to do with george floyd
no it had nothing to do with him i agree
those restaurants those stores had
nothing to do with george floyd and now
like in minnesota minneapolis
the crime rate’s like triple the police
won’t even show up they’re like people
like why are you even paying you yeah so
what do you think both of you
mr dylan what is the end game of this
i’m going to finish my
my answer okay so i’m not done yet it
was also that there was restrictions
that were put in place
that didn’t make any sense to me
there’s restrictions for restaurants
restrictions for comedy clubs restrict
restrictions for gyms like why can’t you
just wear them
churches clothes but all but walmart’s
open well why are churches closed but
why is it okay to protest
why is everybody okay why is everybody
letting people protest
right why aren’t they saying listen i
understand your your
want and desire to protest but
understand that you’re most likely
contributing to the spread of this virus
because that’s a fact right even if you
support the protests
yeah the end game seems to be if you let
society get bad enough people will then accept
all these more draconian security measures and
and censorship across the board do you
think that’s what’s going on with
california like why do you think they’ve
kept california locked down this much
they want to kill the u.s economy
china’s been open for six months they
admit it’s it’s leaked out that they’re
doing this to kill the us economy remember
it’s leaked out how uh let’s come out
democratic party uh reports it’s it’s
it’s been stated you heard democrats all over the news
say we wanted depression to make trump look bad
who said this uh bill maher yeah but
bill maher is not a part of the democratic party
he’s a comic i don’t know but i used it
but he jokes around about that like look
okay we’ll crash the economy okay well
regardless when jews try to or baptist
in new york try to have an event
the police show up and arrest him
but then when antifa or blm was around
burn stuff down the mayor says it’s great
and the mayor said de blasio said this is legitimate
antifa is legitimate your church isn’t
your synagogue isn’t so it’s power it’s selective enforcement
it’s martial law i have articles right
here because everything i brought today i have the proof
abc news is reporting in blue cities in texas
that they’re going to come to your house
and demand a coveted test and if you
don’t they’re going to arrest you
well the federal and state courts they
can’t do that where is that being said
el paso texas but i want to bring you
back to what you’re saying about crash
the economy you use bill maher as an
example and i just don’t think that’s a
credible example because he’s a comic
book well he said that
yeah but he’s a comic and they always play this
the comics have bigger coverage than
news people now that’s what colbert and all them poses
people alex you can’t use him
as an example of someone who’s a politician
who is calling i think for the economy
strategically if i was a democrat
i wouldn’t want things to open up again
until trump was out right agreed
shut down china admits they’re using the
virus to keep us shut down
i think he’s a bio weapon we’ll actually
give you an hour-long treatise i’ll go with 19 okay
we’ll we’ll get to that momentarily okay
i don’t want to anger you though before
before we no i love being here i’ll sit
here and like tell fart jokes if you want
i’d rather get drunk and just have a
good time before we get to that
BLEEPING but you said something that i want
you to back up you said that the
democrats are trying i’m not
denying the possibility that this is the case
but this seems like if that was the case
it would be a grand conspiracy that would
at least have you’d have to have some evidence of
this to make that statement
that they’re trying or they want to crash the economy
because they they want to to maintain power
and to change censorship and to change the way
there are okay we’ve had governor newsom
we’ve had governor um cuomo whitmer cuomo
exactly all say the economy isn’t going
to be open because trump’s done a bad job
we’re not going to open it until he’s
gone and then whitmer has even come out
but it’s true
wait a minute
newsome has openly said that
you sure
yeah type it in
i mean what do you think
he said i’ve never i’ve listened
i’m a criticism
‘ve i’m a critic of newsom because of his uh
this he’s becoming an autocrat he’s just
his winery’s open but there’s a lot of
issues right there’s a
there’s a lot of issues so that
they they close so many things
joe joe joe
globalism was about selling america off
and bankrupting us under cloud
strategy fine but don’t don’t change the subject
i’m not
specifically what newsom has said
um you can pull it up just like i told
you about the atm what did he say
that you think and again i’m not a fan of him
i’m a critic listen i i think you got to
give people grown adults
the choice if they just look we don’t
have overrun hospitals we don’t have
people dying in record numbers
we don’t have five percent death rates
the cases and the deaths are increasing
that is true but as long as there’s a disease
they’re going to increase the question is at what rate
and the people that are dying there’s
never many of them have never morbidity factors
it’s never about the death rate it’s
always about increased infection
because the death rates weigh down right now it is rejection
they’re gonna say it’s flu and alex the cold they’re gonna count
you get me again when when you say the deaths increase
that is going to happen the question is by what rate
and how many right you take the normal
and pneumonia and morbidity like they
did this year and you add that to the
number they’ve already run the same scam
and so whatever they don’t count fluids
of death or pneumonia anymore they only
like they all kind of covid because they get money on the chart right
they get 50 plus thousand dollars when they call it a covid death
plus when they say that they get 13 000 to say it’s a covid patient
and they get uh 29 000 or whatever extra when they intubate somebody
and so now since when is like congress saying how to do medicine
well the isn’t the idea that they’re doing this to give money to these
hospitals to help them in the middle of a pandemic
yeah so these but then the hospitals
reasons code everything is covered to
get the money that’s come out
they killed most people that died died
nursing homes or died from intimation
when it’s an autoimmune event and you don’t want intubation
it’s intubation that’s killing you but
they initially thought you did but
that’s why they’re not because it was responsible
thank god the numbers went down because
they stopped intimating yes so now it’s
all about everyone’s being before
there’s this high death rate
because they were intubating and they
were counting and they were killing old people
as soon as they stopped shipping folks
to old homes they weren’t getting
vitamin d there’s no sun
it went like this so so infections like this
you pulled the grafts yeah you’re like
what’s your science pull it up and you know
infections like this deaths like this
right well
you’re going up and down
right death down
now what did gavin newsom say though
that you when you said that he said it’s
not going to get better until trump’s out of office
well it’s it’s whitmer that said that
specifically and he said cuomo because i
remember that too but he was just basically like well
i want to be friends with trump there’s
been a bad response we’ve got to keep the lockdown going
and you know until trump does this wrong
until we have a change it’s going to continue on
and then it’s always about the power
grab like oh it’s two years we have to do it no it’s now it’s
first it’s 15 days to keep the hospitals
empty and then it’s uh
then it’s oh six months and now it’s two
years and then gates said like a week ago
it’s ten years and now they’ve got the the people
vouching and they’re saying no it never ends you never shake hands
and under the u.n rules they say don’t look at someone
and turn your head so in europe you can type this in
uh citizens in the uk told do not look at other people
and turn your head it’s cult programming man
i think it’s a pretty common talking point and
some people agree with it like a lot of
democrats would say yeah it’s not gonna
get better until trump is out because
trump has made a mess of it i don’t
think trump’s done the best yeah that’s
what he said
but that’s that’s a common
what could he have done better
well done better
he shut down flights from china in february
when when pelosi’s running around in chinatown saying
yeah but i think it’s a pretty common belief that
they’re saying listen we
so i don’t think it’s a conspiracy or i don’t think like you
have to fight a source i think it’s like
they believe if he wasn’t in that it
won’t get better until he’s gone
so i don’t think they actively are
trying to make it better
until he’s gone exactly exactly they
want to keep the crisis going
i do see what you’re saying i just want
to know if there’s evidence i want to
know if there’s an actual statement
where he said after when trump leaves
then we’ll open back up that’s well
that’s actually what whitmer said
specifically but
he said some more things but well let’s
find where we’re going from memory here
i mean my god i understand
but that’s why i’m challenging agreement but i’m
challenge you on this because these are people online
are going to want to challenge you on
this right so i want that’s what they
loved about our last interview over a year and a half ago
which they loved was that people could
go and actually check the stuff i was saying
yeah no matter how crazy a lot of it is
true so i want to find that quote now
see if whitmer said that it won’t get
better until trump’s out of office
in terms of the lockdown
yeah whitman merchants whitmer lockdown won in until trump’s house
didn’t she lose some court case recently yes
her supreme court but also federal courts have ruled
across the country that you can’t order churches to wear masks
you can’t order social distancing
it’s all just getting us to comply
don’t you think it’s a good idea
to encourage people to wear masks if
they’re going into large gatherings a
lot of studies a lot of studies show
that doesn’t even protect you listen
listen trump told the truth a few days
ago when he came out and he said
we’re never going to control this we
have to learn herd immunity
or if you’re really scared of a take a
vaccine and the head epidemiologist of rockefeller
uh hospital came out and said that and
got banned on youtube i mean listen
italy did social distancing italy did
masks italy did everything you were supposed to do
and they’re getting clobbered again so
that makes me think that maybe it’s not
a bad idea to do these things but they don’t seem to
they don’t seem to believe that they
didn’t second sweden didn’t do any of it
and it’s the lowest death rate in europe right but it’s also a
country of small villages they have a
whole different way of life over there well i mean italy italy
is a bunch of three generations living in one house
yeah yeah and and they have they’re the oldest
people in europe yes so yeah and they need to
they need sunlight they need they smoke they’re
all good food
try finding a gym over there
they smoke every time i BLEEPING go there
it’s hard to find a gym
they listen exactly they were rational
joe have a restaurant joe i came out
eight months ago and i and i and i was
selling this stuff but you get i said get at the store
vitamin d vitamin c zinc and zinc
if you have that on the nih website it can’t
according to the nha nih website cannot
replicate inside the mitochondria
where the virus plugs into the cell and
makes it replicate okay
and so i just mean like jones claims
he’s got a cure no it’s not a cure
if you’ve got sunlight and zinc and and
vitamin c and all these things you need
it’s very hard to get these things that’s why
it’s old people in nursing homes that
have been outside in years
that are dying so easily now falci
finally two months ago came out and said
you need vitamin d you need vitamin c
that is true and young jamie takes
vitamin d and he kicked in a day
yes and vitamin c and zinc young jamie
was feeling bad for a day
but i don’t want to argue joe i want to
just say i love bill gates
okay let i love i use windows i’m
looking for tell me
i can’t find whitmer’s quote specific
quote that says that
there’s lots of quotes about them going
back and forth obviously because they’ve
had a public battle i just think anybody
like that whether it’s bill gates or
bezos or anybody who’s a billionaire if they
say here’s the suggested course of
action they have to expect that they’re
going to be criticized and a lot of
these guys don’t like
taking any criticism when they they’re issuing edicts
these are billionaires that are saying this is how
we’re going to live yeah that’s the next
big question strange though that bill
gates who is not a health expert
is all of a sudden one of the leading
voices yes it’s strange that’s my
seriousness that’s my next question yeah
why is bill gates who’s not a doctor
suddenly on tv telling me
how my life’s going to go and what i’m
going to do this is the most important
part why is this a
a big project for him well he’s also a
guy that wanted to shoot a missile of
dust into the atmosphere to help climate change i mean
very few people in history have had the
resources to even think of doing
something like that that’s right he
wants to have jet spray chemicals to block the sun right
and the scientists went
great no good they went not a good idea
so and then if you quite call him on
that if you call him on that he goes
the conspiracy lies and the conspiracy
theories it’s like no we’re just asking
you why you understand there’s no
space he went on cbs news they go 80
of those taking your vaccine trial
getting very sick some are dying he’s
like well that’s just how it is
you can pull these clips up what yeah i
said that’s just how it is
yeah he said well the fda is going to
he’s beat red look at you you’re
blending in with the walls
because but yeah it’s a problem that’s hilarious
that’s a problem it’s a problem you know
i’m kind of BLEEPING this is
this is for two years they said trump
worked for i’ve heard of
political mudslinging my whole life for two years
they said trump was an agent of russia
he was an asset of russia
the president then they did a whole
report and then it came out that he
wasn’t there was no proof of it with the
cia the nfc everybody
and then they went like this he went
well we might have been wrong about that i mean
it was mine disturbing things to me was
when ted cruz was cross-examining
comey when he was asking him questions
about what they did with evidence and
how they doctored evidence
what do you got jamie
oh i just can’t believe that brian redban is here
he’s he saved us
brian flew in when jamie tested positive for cooties
so we had to have the protocol was you
have to be uh ten days
and you have to test negative three days
before you come yeah brian’s gonna move
here he’s looking at houses right now
you are too
tim’s gonna move i might you’re moving
your BLEEPING i might come on sonic i know
i gotta i gotta i got some i gotta save
la first from the safest
it’s not coming back that i know hey
let’s talk about
not coming back please a little bit of stuff yeah
i don’t wanna fight joe
okay it’s okay i love you no you did
this just have some
no i can’t i can’t i made a promise but
on election night i can pop yeah we’re gonna have
that’s november third that’s november
but i will be able to pop in six more yeah
i have six more days of sobriety that’s
gonna be a fight but i gotta
be honest i’m a little high from this
cigar hey you couldn’t have a bigger promo
for your election night i’m glad you
actually announced it here well
uh kyle kalinski’s been asking when he
could announce it so now you know kyle
there you go it’s official there you go
kyle i’m excited to get everybody in the room
and watch this listen i want to cover
some of this real stuff here in real
time should i show you some stuff yeah
what do you got
do we ever find a quote for whitmer i
can’t find anything i mean
there’s lots of quotes but i can’t find
that do you want me to find it
can you just google it on your phone tim
and i will talk amongst ourselves okay
and then we’ll
then we’ll pull up whatever that is okay
gretchen whitmer they almost kidnapped her by the way
i don’t have i’m just saying oh that’s
whitmer when trump leaves office quote
she was almost there there was a
kidnapping plot against her
no it’s whitmer which 15 percent won’t
end until trump gone that’s just come on
right lockdowns won’t end till trump gone try that
whatever i know it’s true whitmer
lockdowns won’t until trump gone he’ll find it
um yeah the plot to assassinate her what
the BLEEPING it was
like kidnapper that was weird but i
predicted up front that it was gonna be
fbi provocateurs and it turned out the
two leaders were fbi informants
what what’s even crazier is 52 percent
of the citizens of michigan agreed with the plot
that’s a joke
[Laughter]
good one going to edit that part where you say that’s a joke
joe rogan’s guest calls for kidnapping
this is outrageous de-platform
when i went on alex’s show alex goes
snopes always goes and finds like jokes
he makes it there go
they go oh correction hillary clinton is
not an oompa loompa
did you guys see that um brett weinstein’s
unity 2020 account was also banned from twitter
just told me that his unity 2020 account
was which was calling for a third party
was calling for unity between people on
the right and the left
to get together and have conversations
and and perhaps even have a
an alternative candidate that’s
outrageous well he’s a BLEEPING scholar
and he’s a guy who became famous because
he was a professor
at evergreen university and the leftists
took over the course and they said we’re
going to shut it down and whites can’t
come one day a month
they they had and then they banned him
yes well it well just banned him they went looking
for him in the parking lot
baseball bats yeah it was terrifying so
let me ask you this the
the principal was going along with
everything literally they yelled the principal don’t
gesture with your hands because you’re threatening us but
british universities like oxford i
think’s the one look it up
oxford or cambridge one of the big ones
you can’t clap
it’s a microaggression joe oh that’s so
crazy but this is what we were talking
about for years and people were saying
why are you concerned with what happens
in the universities
it’s the same thing we were saying about
censorship because it BLEEPING
it keeps going it doesn’t stop when you
when you allow that kind of nonsense in
universities
those kids graduate and they want to
carry these goofy BLEEPING practices
now that’s one of the things i wrote
down i wanted to ask you joe and tim dillon
what what happens how where do they stop
because they’re going to keep running
until they hit opposition which is starting to happen
how far does it go i was hoping there
was going to be some sort of a
federal regulation i was hoping that
trump was going to step in and they were going to
amend the first amendment to include
social media because i think
what you’re what you’re seeing now the
the argument that these are just
just private corporations i don’t think
that argument is valid anymore because
the impact that they have
the significance of being able to speak
or not being able to speak
to speak has massive implications on our election
we see this with the new york post’s
election meddling we see it with the new
york post being censored with this hunter biden story
whether you agree with the story being
leaked or not the the fact that the new york BLEEPING post
which is a legitimate newspaper as outrageous as they are
and the fact that the BLEEPING white
house press secretary gets banned from twitter
for for tweeting that link that’s where
it is this is crazy i mean i think it leads to
it’s sadly at least the violence because
if you take everybody’s ability to
communicate away there’s nothing left to
do but commit acts of violence
and by the way that’s a kennedy quote
those that make peaceful revolutions
maybe found something
this is as close as i could get to what was
what he’s asking for to be found
okay
the trump virus response is the worst in
the globe she said
if you’re tired of the of lockdowns or
you’re tired of wearing masks or
you wish you were in church this morning
or watching college football or your
kids were getting
in-person instruction it’s time for a
change in this country
and that’s why we’ve got to elect joe
biden i mean that’s pretty
that’s why i mean you you can make that
say whatever you want almost
yeah but that’s the common sense right
right the problem is the problem is if you
just take it from if you’re tired of lockdowns
and you you get one you would get one in
interpretation of it but if you back it up to
the trump virus response is the worst in the globe
she said if you’re tired of lockdowns so what she’s
saying i think we’re splitting here you
mean you’re not necessarily
because what she’s saying i saw a clip
of her and please saying that
because that’s the problem with taking
something out of context what she’s saying is
a wonderful person no i’m not saying
that what she’s saying is that trump has
done such a shitty job
that’s the reason why we’re locked down
you can’t go i get it they’ll get it the
headline i don’t know if that’s true though
i think when you’ve got a contagious
disease you got people flying in from europe and china
and all these other countries that are
expressing you you’re go
you’re going to have spread this is a
BLEEPING insanely contagious disease
joe one of my favorite parts of your
show is when you
ask jamie for something then the light
turns on when you’re looking at it
let me ask you this
you’re in the numerator hammered are you
right now on scale one time at all we’re
into numerology this is when it gets good
you better
okay let’s talk
just be nice to me joe
i have to be nice to you got me here and
i know you are let’s get serious
everybody wants to hear what i actually have to say
okay what was the question you had me on
9 11 yes 12 55 now 1 5 5 5
yeah don’t connect the dots
just i’m in town it’s random
well you told me you were good at 9 11
on purpose yeah that was on purpose
yeah it was just fun but this is nothing bad but
but this is see do you understand how
this quote you could interpret that
in a different way like i think the entire
democratic party strategy i understand
to say trump is to blame for covet
and to say the economy shut down till
you get them elected that’s what she’s saying
they’re all good they’re all saying i
understand it’s like we’re gonna end this
by endless lockdowns once trump’s out if
you want to go back to normal do this
and their own listen this is an end of civilization event
the rockefellers and others put out
operation lockstep they’re never going
to stop this they’re going to have
coveted tracking they’re going to have
checkpoints they’re going to have
apps on your phone so how do we stop
this what trump came out and did and said
we cannot defeat this with vaccines
and with covet tracking with shutdowns
it’s going to have to be with uh herd immunity
which is what the scientist actually
brought why can’t we beat it with what
he beat it with he’s 74 and he eats french fries every day
this BLEEPING kicked it in four days
that’s why that’s supposed to be a death sentence
if you’ve got vitamin d vitamin c and
zinc it’s very hard to get okay
but clearly he’s got more than vitamin d
vitamin c and zinc he’s got a bunch of medical treatments
right well he was given regeneron he was
driven things that are expensive and
probably not widely available but wait a minute jamie
tested positive he’s right over there
like timmy’s young and viral
but i’m saying where since since when
did something come along
civilization is over civilization is over
because of this thing that came out of
china you’re not even supposed to come
you want to ask where cove it came from
i’m going to ask where it is do you feel
better about the disease
now that you kicked it so quickly uh
i mean how old are you at first how old
are you 37. first i was a little worried
for the first day i was like
oh BLEEPING here we go are we going down
like a two week three week four weeks
then a letter time
months right because you’ve talked to
people on the show that have been BLEEPING up
sure yeah how lucky am i going to be
today is all right i was thinking that
and she’s like so taking all the vitamins
i mean we got yeah i got all that we had
nad and all that stuff too in my system
yeah
like i don’t maybe that helped i’m sure
hopefully sure did of course
statistically they said five percent of
us will be dead it’s not even
well they thought point one percent okay
but what they thought they’re the
all-powerful gods it’s like the u.n says
you will not question us big tux says
you will not question
anything the u.n says meanwhile the
union’s like oh we shouldn’t do a
lockdown it’s killing millions of people starvation
but still it’s like worse keeping the
lockdown going the united nations said
well what do you think should be done i
mean i think we should look at something
that isn’t much worse than the flu and
say we all need natural vitamins
and nutraceuticals and sunlight
and health and people should just know
they got to deal with the way it is because
we always get diseases we always get
viruses we always live with
the idea we got to lock society down and
go into our houses and
this is a post-industrial move
that they’re using to roll out these
systems to keep us locked down in our
homes right and if you want to be
cynical this is where you step in and
say the reason why they want us to be
upset and they want the economy to be
BLEEPING is because they hate the
president and they want him out of
office and they want to regain power
they want the democrats the american economy the
in the image of what they want they want
to remake a lot of these these um
systems that they feel are for whatever reason
uh they just injust or unjust or
whatever and they want to use this
opportunity to kind of
redraw the lines exactly after 9 11.
exactly this is the new 911.
the u.n and and the davos group all say
this is the post-industrial world the
great reset i got a copy of it for
right here and they say in these documents
we are going to reorganize society code
that is good to shut down the carbon carbon is bad
we’re going to end success
we’re going to end prosperity
we’re going to track everybody
we’re going to control their lives
all under the name of covid
they said all that?
they said we’re going to end success?
we’re going to end prosperity?
uh yeah in the lockstep the rockefeller document
2010 they say we’ll have a viral release or a
simulated one that creates total fear
while bringing a police state
marshall is this available for someone
to read absolutely wasn’t there
something called agenda 21 or something
where they were saying we want people
living in cities we don’t want home ownership
compact cities yeah yeah and you were
saying it earlier they go oh
it’s for the greater good that we don’t
have cars anymore it’s for the greater good
we have donald trump that’s what i was
saying what i was doing was give playing devils
you were quoting them yeah what i was
saying you said that joe you believe in
that i was saying that autonomy
i do believe in cars too
autonomous vehicles are in the future
at least likely to be safer than people
just driving and texting well it’s not safe given
control over these corporations and
robots and making ourselves obsolete we
need to build a pro human future
well i’m pro-human but i know you aren’t
saying you’re not joe feller thing from 2010
i was already looking this up as he
mentioned it because i was going down my
own little rabbit hole
it says when i first started to find it
my first search just says there’s a small
a large conspiracy has been built out of
this small grain of truth from this
document from 2010.
okay that’s what it starts to say so i
haven’t oh is that snopes small
grain of truth yeah so snow systems like
god it’s like i don’t think is it snopes
that you google
let’s focus on the grain of truth no who
says it’s a grain of truth
hold on no no it’s operation lockstep
and it says a global police state will
be brought in from a pandemic
and there’ll be worldwide martial law it
actually says it in the document
okay it’s like they always go like oh
there’s no hunter emails the
emails are real right i love that clock
it is weird that they’re saying
tgg studios is it is weird there’s a document okay
the rockefeller foundation annual report 2010.
i’ll control f what would you like me to
uh look up uh police state look up there
just look at police state
don’t forget the exact words i mean
let’s just go read it for yourself
control f police station came up this is
just one paper that’s it i mean that’s
the whole pdf is here
it’s like it’s real really really long
so when you control f police state nothing
okay what else uh i i mean i’ve got i’ve
read it before it says that so
anybody can read it right now
so you think they edited it
no no it’s i mean i can’t remember exact
words okay well let’s look up pandemic
[]
pandemic just means widely distributed
epidemic means you’re actually sick
four mentions of the word pandemic okay
all right with no network to
transfer critical infectious disease
information without open lines of communications
thousands more fall sick the new in quotes disease
becomes an unchecked pandemic by the time the
the right expertise is brought to bear
on the world government it’s
too late the disease has spread around
the globe in a world of global trade and
travel what’s traded faster and travels furthest
are the microbes in every handshake
southeast so what do they what is this
in reference to okay it says a few miles
east young boy has been hold on don’t
please go back to that
yeah just it’s just it’s just a scenario
that they’re painting
so make that a little larger
no no go back to it
just go back to where it was all right
the potential pandemic of the few
decades have severely tested the world’s ability
to work across human borders detection
remains weak in many parts of the world
the public health response has
frequently been slow and fragmented
the looming threat of infectious disease
presents humanity with a new challenge
to communicate and collaborate swifter
and with greater efficiency than ever
before that doesn’t sound like they’re
trying to end the world okay well you’re
just reading one of these documents i
already i can pull up the articles i can show you yourself
but this is world government controlled
they talk about a worldwide police state
you search the term pandemic i’m telling
you what’s in these things
okay uh emerging pandemics the new century sars
avion flu and swine flu if we don’t move
investigated systems of bringing global
warming it seems like they’re trying to prevent
pandemics if we don’t move quickly viruses will
uh by continuing our drive to invest in
systems that coordinate efforts and share information
the rockefeller foundation is working together
which is the global government controlling all of us
to meet the health challenges of an interconnected world
isnt the perfect analogy terrorism?
because it’s like terrorism exists
people want to prevent terrorism but it’s like
how many rights do you give up in order to do that
and then you know all these proactive measures
that we take to prevent terrorism a lot
of them create more terrorists who
i think it’s like a balance of like be
remaining a free society and dealing
with a lot of these men
listen i sit here
you know we sit and we talk about
something and then whether jaime can find it or not
becomes the arbiter whether it’s real
so they found something about an at&t
lobby they didn’t find a thing about this
i’ve got the operation lockstep
documents where they say
we’re going to bring in this global
authority but you have to
then you have to show us those well i
mean i i’m sitting here in studio
talking to you about this but i
understand i understand that’s almost
what you’re saying but we we wanted to
try to know everybody else watching this
is gonna go look it up well i hope they
do they’re gonna go crazy
i hope we wish we could have found it
right then if it’s real no no no i know
you want to show it but it might be
an interpretation of what they’re saying
like the whitmer now it says specifically
the whitmer quote is just a criticism of trump she’s been
blaming all this lock no whitmer was found by the
by the supreme court of michigan and by
a federal court to have seized all three branches of governments
and basically set up martial law they
even used those terms he was overturned
saying that quote i i want to when you
say if you are sick of lockdown
yeah and you’re sick of not being able
to go to church joe biden should be elected
agree that is not a huge jump from what
he said no it’s not a huge jump yeah but the problem is
the way it’s being said she was talking about how bad
trump handled the the rate of infection first
of course and that’s let’s expand on
that i remember like interviewing lou dobbs like 15 years ago
back when he was still on cnn we were looking at documents
where it said we’re going to bring in
global government the north american union using
the threat of viruses migration flows and economic collapse
and they said like a deadly flu or a deadly sars
yeah i’m sitting here watching this power grab
watching the u.n and and and big tech saying
well you can’t say that
that the un’s wrong because the un’s in charge
since when is the news WHO and all these doctors
all these medical doctors that come out and say other things
other than them like how steroids cured it or
you know how hydroxychloroquine helped it
how are they being banned even if they were wrong
they should be have their license
removed that’s what that’s about it’s not
google decides that if something isn’t
that you and it’s taken down that’s all i’m saying
well it is a problem that they’re
deciding which doctors to listen to and which doctors not to
when there is some real controversy as to how to
handle the virus virus with treatment right
what treatment is effective and what isn’t effective
now it turns out there’s a lot of doctors that think that
hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective there’s a lot of there’s
some doctors that thought it was and they think that the
combination of zinc and hydro but the
ques the the problem is the people
that are deciding what gets taken down
or not getting that’s a huge taken down
and the problem is that the doctors
would go well we think you know it’s like
there’s we we’ve minimized the voices of the people that
are saying one thing right and we’ve
elevated the voices of the people that
are saying another thing and it’s like
that becomes the real issue whether
people like trump there’s there’s
stuff to criticize about trump we all
know that and there but in their defense
they’re doing it because they think that
people are going to do something foolish
they’re going to go out and spread the
virus further because it’s not the media’s job
though to this is the problem i think
the media has taken on this really activist role
where they are now there worse it’s not the meters social media
social media companies not not even necessarily the media
where you have like legitimate
journalists that are talking do you
think he would do something in a second
term about social media
i think he certainly is going to do
something why hasn’t he done something already
because it’s so complex because they’ll
claim it’s election meddling even though
they’re doing that at the same time
what we have is multinational
corporations acting in tandem
that are already making the nation state
obsolete they’re creating a
information warfare monopoly and they’re
censoring people and using that power they have
and we just sit here denying it’s going on until it’s too late
i mean it’s it’s it’s a really serious
situation and it is crazy it is a crazy
situation where all of these tech companies
all lean left all of them yeah they do
they lean left and they support like
there’s there’s no tech companies are
out there supporting donald trump
there’s no tech companies what’s very
interesting because tech companies are
very wealthy people right
they’re insanely wealthy but david
pakman had a really good point about that
that they like when it comes to their financial dealings
they they’re very conservative very
libertarian and conservative oh they don’t pay taxes
right i mean google pays almost taxes
what i’m telling you does apple complain
about chinese slave factories in china
no it’s what i’m telling you is it’s all bs
and when you study what they’re doing
i can sit on my phone and pull it up
they talk about in lockstep
bringing in a global authoritarian
system they talk about riots they talk about war
if you can find that article there aren’t messages
i found something but i don’t i’m trying
to understand what it’s saying beca use it’s now it’s
like it’s speaking about years in the
future as though they’ve already
happened well we’re not too far away
from let’s see because like they’re
painting another scenario just like they painted
with that uh infection scenario archive.org i found
i went to the second page of this link but this is like scenario
narratives it says lockstep it talks
about uh pandemics from 2012 and the sars and all sorts of
h1n1 so i skipped into the next page just to
while you guys were talking and this is
the part that that’s a little strange which
is getting into what i think he is now
where is that can you highlight um
it started here because it says about
kenya in 2025 and people being weary of top down okay
by 2025 people seem to be growing weary
of so much top down control and letting leaders and
authorities make choices for them
whatever net wherever national interest
clashed with individual interests
there was conflict sporadic pushback
becomes increasingly organized and coordinated
as disaffected youth and people who have
seen their status and opportunities slip away
largely in developing countries and cited civil unrest
by 2026 protesters in nigeria brought down the government
fed up with the entrenched cronyism and corruption
even those who’d like the greater stability and predictability of this world
began to grow uncomfortable and constrained by so many tight rules
and by the strictness of national boundaries the feeling lingered
that sooner or later something would have inevitably upset
the neat order that the world’s governments had worked so hard to establish
okay i never read that
but that’s the other stuff
it’s in there i’m telling you
thousands of pages man
okay it talks about global police state and
worldwide riots and i mean we’re not
that far away there’s people are saying
they’re writing that yeah they’re
like the eu right it’s a supernational financial architecture
people are saying that borders are
racist people are saying that the idea
of america is races their countries
you know israel the idea of a country or
nation state is racist there is this growing
uh idea or ideology that
global governance is a good thing or
that nation states are
you know well it comes down to this it’s
not that nation of states are perfect
multinational corporations
are bigger and operate in many cases
more powerfully than governments
correct and so they want control and
they say they want control
and they’re going to use racial
differences between two countries to
play them off against each other and
they’re going to use
global crises to centralize global
control and that’s what they say in
these white papers is
the corporations are using this for
global control and there will be
rebellions against it that’s what i read and then people
more loyalty to multinational
corporations and more loyalty
they have more in common with people
that live in london or davos or switzer
than they do to their american citizens and that
that becomes the problem you’ve got
google and facebook executives on jumbo jets and mansions
telling us we’ve got to lower our carbon
footprint and be poor they’re hypocrites it doesn’t hold water
yeah how do we get out of it there it is authoritarian capitalism
i mean i remember i i don’t have it in
front of me but i was reading the
lockstep rockefeller documents and they
predicted worldwide police state
uh authoritarianism civil war i mean
they’re predicting in 2018
says will africa embrace were africa’s
embrace of authoritarian capitalism a la
china continue and then vietnam
to require a solar panel at every home in 2022
and then in 2025 that’s not the same documents i saw but
that’s the question is it’s weird the
way they’re writing this
they’re they’re writing this as this
they’re they’re predicting already happening
yeah well they’re they’re talking about
it like they’re they’re seeing the future and
like almost like it’s fiction but
they’re talking about it like here’s trump saying
we’re not gonna control the pandemic you
don’t you get used to it you get over it
you fight it with nutraceuticals you
fight it with you know with with therapeutics it’s
the idea that bill gates came out two
weeks ago and he goes we’ll be shut down for 10 years
is that what he said he said yeah he
said this goes on for 10 years
until there’s not one corona case well
they pick the perfect
the perfect problem they can never do it
isn’t that crazy like
you see a guy like jamie who literally
kicked it in a day and they’re saying
we’re going to close down
the world for 10 days well it’s also
like the war on terror is still going on
i mean yeah they want to
exactly they want a problem that never
goes away yeah it’s never gonna i mean
the cold war went on forever i mean this is just
they like these things but we’ve entered
into three hours in here two and a half
hours in here we’ve entered into this
weird spot we’re like okay what could be
where you’re going to drink whiskey yeah
i don’t know i’ve already been about at
election night i’m here
what could be done um what can be done
man all i know is i try to tell the
truth i make mistakes but i’m sitting here
with these notes i’ve written where i
read what globalists say
i gave you that wall street journal
article where they go we’re in we’re
impure that we can get sick
it’s time to get rid of all humans and
merge with machines it’s so beautiful i
think well that’s just one kook
and then it’s almost all these people
and really they’re trying to convince
the public to all roll over and die
but wait a minute isn’t that a
provocative article
by a journalist who’s trying to paint a
rosy picture of our
symbiotic relationship with technology i
mean when someone’s saying
like i mean literally saying looking
forward to the end of humanity that’s
it’s a provocative article it’s like but
that’s the nihilistic attitude these
people actually pick up i mean yes it is
but it’s also sort of this inevitable if you
extrapolate from where we are now with
technology to where we’re going to be in 20 30 years
and when you look at things like neural
link and you look at a lot of this uh
technology that they’re they’re coming
up with but we’re talking about big tech
censoring us i don’t want them plugged
into my goddamn brain yeah
it’s probably a bad idea it seems like a
bad idea to have them invade your body
well when you’re talking about
centralized power like that
it is not a good idea it’s a bad idea to
give them all i’m saying is
joe and i’m glad you’re here i’m glad
you’re here i’m very excited to be here
tonight and i really appreciate you
we have to get people to debate the fact
that there’s people
engineers and technocrats choosing their course
and that the public is not involved in
deciding that course
i hope people are starting to understand
when you see the white house press secretary
get banned from twitter when you see the
new york post links get banned from twitter
i hope people are starting to understand
that giving people power giving large groups power
over whether it’s national discourse
whether it’s policy any of these
these things yeah it’s bad it’s a bad idea it’s a bad idea
exactly you don’t want to do it the
founding fathers although they didn’t predict
technology they didn’t predict the
internet they did predict what happens
when you give human beings ultimate power
right i mean power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely
yeah so joe you just said it
so let me ask this question
because see this you got a huge audience
we could really change the world right
now i think we’ve done a good
no one’s listening
no they’re listening
there’s no one
if you want to change the world you go on alyssa milano’s show
that’s the show
dude no no i only get three times as many listeners
people that are zombies don’t count
i’m sure she won’t take zombies but let
me tell you that i don’t think zombies
did you guys hear what i said
listen you can look at tony podesta or
john podesta and laugh at them they run
the democratic party
it came out two months ago in the new
york times bragging that they were in the meeting
when they were wargaming on thousands of
people listening on a telephone call
they go we’re not gonna concede and we’re gonna
have the country break up and we’re
going to have secession
and we’re going to call for the u.n to
invade america how BLEEPING up would it be if you
like all this stuff actually comes
through the way this happens this will be BLEEPING insane
is it good but when people are talking about
be careful with that that camera
don’t bump that camera
but i’m not saying it’s going to happen i’m saying
they’re saying it because if it doesn’t
happen i’ll be glad but they’re like oh you know jones is
saying this is happening no i know you will be grabbed
they’re literally this like this podcast can be heavily
criticized right we are aware of this
but when we knew that coming in
but when this goes down
if this goes down the way you’re describing it
how eerie would this be
well i don’t i it would be very eerie
it would be very scary because somebody will tell you
like this is what they’re saying they’re going to do
now i hope they don’t do it but they are saying
that they’re going to contest the election when they lose
and if trump tries to declare it
big tech has implemented this ai system
that’s going to block hundreds of millions of americans from
being able to say trump won election night yeah and so
that’s why election night is so spectacular and some people can say well
there’s never been voter fraud before or voter fraud has been so minuscule in the
past that is true but however the ability to vote by mail
in advance never really existed like it
existed exactly and 80 million ballots put out there
80 million ballots put out there’s a
total wild card so who is counting all these ballots
it’s the locals it’s whoever grabs them
it’s whoever puts in the false names
there’s been a bunch of people arrested
right but if you’re say if you’re in a
democratically controlled state
and you so who is controlling and counting those those ballots
brian redman he’s a good guy he’ll tell us the truth
brian get over here real quick
he’s going for two minutes
okay we need brian
no i mean seriously
i don’t know what’s going to happen joe
i know the democrat chief strategist
says we’re going to contest the election
we’re going to break the country up like civil war 1862
and we’re going to do all this and we’re
going to say that go ahead they found water on the moon
awesome
they did find waterloo you know six
months before they said that
buzz aldrin called me up and he said
there’s water in the moon and he goes we
they’re going to crash an end in probe
and there it’s like not you know 2007 or something
they’re going to crash an indian probe
on the moon i want you to know we
already crashed while they’re going to
find the water i was like thank you buzz aldrin
so he called you up yep does buzz call you often
no he’s called me like three times are
you ever shocked are you like
he’s like it’s alex’s puzzle he actually
got like 20 million views before they took it off youtube
he was on the show one time and he goes
my secretary really likes you
on here he goes is she a hottie you’re
lucky i’m doing this i’m like
well yes sir he goes there is the moon of
mars that is where the real obelisk here is 2001
and the aliens created the pyramids and
i just wanted to tell you alex you gotta what
he said the aliens created the pyramids
yeah and there was an obelisk
that’s not as shocking the the buzz buzz
aldrin said the aliens created the pyramids
yeah i’m telling you i was contacted by buzz aldrin’s secretary
and i’m not picking this up this is real i don’t believe you are
and and it’s just like whatever this was
like 12 years ago whatever 10 years ago whatever it was
like hey buzz aldrin wants to come on so
we checked his buzz aldrin he wants to talk about his new book
and once he gets on he goes it is the soul moon
choron or whatever it’s called look up the moon of moon of
i’m off memory of somebody get this stuff wrong of mars he goes that is
where the true obelisk is and that will give us the data tapes to
go the next level and and i just wanted
you to know that because you’re a good person that
the pyramids were created by aliens and
we’re doing important work there he is
buzz aldrin admits aliens built the pyramids
and the phobos monument oh the the uh
he said after he talked to me on c-span yeah and so
he said aliens built the pyramids i swear
to god this guy really went off to
reservation like you think nasa is like
doing a better vetting process now
because this guy really well you know
he’s had tough times
well he just endorsed trump oh did he
why did he endorse trump all the
military endorsed trump all the police
but listen i’m not bragging i don’t know why
i thought he had him on about a book he
wrote he starts telling me about aliens
the pyramids and the french let me ask
you this what did you think about the
pentagon saying recently that they’ve
recovered crafts that are not of this world
i think it’s probably true i think it’s
probably true as well i think we’re like to ditch
like a movie theater but i talked to uh
stuff of the ditch like
yeah when i talked to commander fravor
um who is the guy who saw that uh the tic tac
ufo off the coast of san diego the way
he describes it and the the video
footage that they got of this thing
and his his take on it is BLEEPING chilling
yeah that thing went from 60 000 feet above tic tac
okay yeah it looks like a tic-tac-toe
new code name it’s tic-tac-toe
no no yeah it’s a huge problem no it’s
just a little tic-tac-toe
what do you say about it he said that
this thing went from 60 000 feet above
sea level to one inside of a second
he said it defied propulsion
by any but any understanding that we
have of physics the way it moved
was insane it was actively blocking tracking systems
which is an act of war they do they block all the radars
you could listen to him on my podcast
but i would actually recommend you listen to him
on lex friedman’s podcast it’s available
on youtube and lex does an amazing job of of
talking to him and breaking down let’s
do that what do you think the universe
is what do you think
let’s talk real what’s the secret
universe totally legit report says buzz
aldrin saw aliens when he was up in space
sarcasm oh well that’s not joe is that
you in the photo they said that he tried
they reached out to his people and they
said that this bogus and we don’t know
where it came from
it’s bogus we don’t know where well he
came on my show and said that
the pyramid thing the pyramid quote and
said it’s bogus yeah well maybe they
pulled them aside but joe let’s get
let’s have fun here
everybody’s watching it’s an epic podcast
part three joe rogan
i want to know so what is what what do
you think runs the universe what do you
think the secret is who are the dmt elves
when’s the last time you took dmt it’s
been a couple years um
i don’t think that there is
any doubt that there’s other life out
there it’s a matter of uh
if it contacts us regularly whether or
not it’s contacted us or why it comes
and why it visits or
uh jacques valet i believe i think his
perception is not that they’re from
another planet but that
that would be probably the least
spectacular answer
and that they could be interdimensional
travelers some people believe that their time
jack valet is the guy who uh steven spielberg
he modeled that french scientist in
close encounters with the third kind
after him he’s a really really
interesting guy and that’s what i personally believe is
interdimensional it could be that it could be that
our understanding of reality itself is very limited it’s like
you know if you wave your hand above
certain insects they have no idea you’re even there right
they lack the ability to detect it that
we we have senses that we assume
are the only senses that are available and it is entirely
likely that there are many dimensions that we don’t have access to
right and this is the quantum physicists
and all those guys that write the BLEEPING on yellow
legal pads that you don’t understand they they all believe there’s
many many dimensions out there there’s no jobs
i agree with you i agree with you
i think the universe is insanely huge
and they’re finding life compatible planets
on a daily basis there’s hundreds of
them now so i agree with you let me ask
this question then what do we do about
this corrupt political elite
trying to make us look at them we’ll
follow them how do we break free of them
well that’s a different thing of the
universe but my question is like why are they telling us
now that they’ve acquired these ships or that they they
they have access to these things or that
they know these things are real
you know um bob lazar has basically been
describing exactly that
in exactly the same way since 1989
when uh when he was uh
first hiding uh when he was on uh
george knapp’s television show in vegas
and they had him out only as a silhouette
and then he eventually came out and said
that he was a propulsion expert that was brought to area s4
and they’ve tried to discredit him and they’ve tried to talk but
one of the things that he said was he talked about element 115
and that this was something that they
used to propel these crafts and it was something that
it can it could change gravity can bend
gravity and propel itself
in a way that is not like any propulsion
system that we use now which essentially
you have to push something out the back
to make it go forward whether it’s flames or
you know a rocket or anything else like
even a an airplane right
it propels things forward and what he
was saying is that
what this element 115 is allowing them
to do is to somehow or another
bend space and time some another bend gravity
but they don’t know how it works they don’t know
what what it’s doing let’s talk about
this operates on this element
let’s talk about this hold on they know
it operates on this element it was only theoretical until
i think it was 2013 or 2015
they used a particle collider and they they they
detected it in an actual element 115
that it was actually real and that’s
what the superconducting super colliders are for
well i mean they’re they’re for detecting many things
well these particle colliders are for
detecting many different things that are theoretical
and they they find these things to be
true and then it becomes you know
a scientific record what i think is that
we are apes we are these weird
talking apes that are at an adolescent
stage of technological evolution
and what we might be looking at when we
see these these uh tic tac ufos and other things we
might be looking at something from the future
we might be looking at time travelers we
might might be looking at something that comes back
and you know i think that’s i think
that’s a good approximation but
we’re a little bit beyond just apes
clearly we’re from outside the planet
and there’s something bigger going on
like this this life forms happened before
this is a major test and so we can sit
there and just say oh we’re just apes
no i don’t mean that what i mean by
we’re just apes is that in comparison to
what we could be eventually through evolution
you’re saying metamorphosis
yeah we’re we’re on a
look we’re a lot smarter than apes right
than regular apes that are in most of us
in in the zoo yeah or in well some of
them’s dumber than that yeah right yeah
i was about to say
some of them are dumber paint with a
broad brush but we are nowhere near
where our potential lies right right our
potential lies far far
far in advance of what we are currently
and i think some of this has to do
with some of these uh symbiotic
technologies that we’re talking about
like neurolink and a lot of these things
that are are being proposed that are
eventually going to
find their way into the human body and
accelerate but
are they going to lower our ability are
they going to censor our ability
well because we’re already growing and
all i see from big tech is censorship so
is the neural link
gonna censor what i do well the little
plug-in and make me feel great and
hit my pleasure center when you’re
talking about human emotions
and greed and power and all these
different things these are all
biological issues that we have that the idea is
will be transcended if you could somehow
if you believe the big tech lords aren’t like us
they’re they’re us though so they’re in
charge of the same thing that we already are
so to say oh big tech lords are going to
take us away from our human problems
right but do you want to transcend sin
they’re going to make it worse okay but
do you understand that they didn’t
understand what technology was going to
create when it created the internet
the the ability to totally establish
the ability to distribute information
that existed pre-1990 whatever when the
internet became mainstream it was very very very
different than it is today and it’s very
hard to get away with the things you get
away with in the early
1980s what they wait what they can do
now in terms of a regular person
and their ability to transmit
information to access information
it’s all what i’m saying is
giant leaps i get it the technology’s
there i’m not against the technology
it’s those that introduce it to us and
then control how it’s deployed
i understand that’s a big issue but
everything is about what i was trying to
get to is the way information has gotten out of
their hands and you can distribute it in
a way that they never anticipated
if they did anticipate it i guarantee
they would have never left the internet
i agree i used to i think that same thing is going to
happen with all other technologies
and if that’s the case technology may be
our only hope technology may be the only thing that
saves us from all these human emotions the the need
for power and greed and control the the one thing that might
save us from that is this symbiotic relationship
with technology where we connect to things that will
alleviate a lot of the problems that you know if that technology
i don’t i’m not saying this is good or bad or wrong
can i say something
yeah you’re doing really good
this is great rants best joe rogan i’ve ever seen
i’m not being patronizing it’s good stuff
it’s okay you’re drunk
no no i’m saying this is powerful be nice
be nice what i’m saying is
there’s outside groups trying to program
that so you can’t project your own goodness
onto this not saying even goodness i’m
saying no i’m what i’m saying is you’ve been
ranting for five minutes and i’m i’m
just what do you just say
i get what you’re saying it’s just that
you’re sitting there saying this will
free us from our problems
but it’s still humans that program the
nexus points of it
so it could actually amplify the
problems i’m saying we should be wary of all
oh it certainly could look it could go
sideways it could all go bad
but it also could go to a point where
people don’t feel the need to do that anymore
and that we recognize that a lot of what we have is
we we are escaping the shackles of our monkey bodies
our monkey bodies yeah so if we’re silicon
and have don’t need resources anymore we
can just be spiritual
and then we’ll be able to free ourselves
and not hurt the earth anymore hop in
that tic tac
and fly to alpha centauri in the blink
of an eye so we need to we need to uh
no i already see the transmission if you
could have a spaceship that would allow you
to go anywhere in the galaxy would you
be willing to give
up any of your emotions for that no i
know that i know that i know the digital deal
give up your body for the silicon gods and become a god
this is all fun and games but like we’re
not even i mean california we’re not
even allowed to go to applebee’s so
let’s stop with the spaceship
let’s just try to get i’m not allowed to
leave my phone i want to go to the comedy store
yeah i mean we’ll get a spaceship
eventually let’s get a few
got your thing i’m coming to your
election night you’re drowning with me
election night elections 25 billion
listen you invited yourself to this i
think you should settle down aliens
you told me already no you invited
yourself we already got it
coming no i said you could come in for a
little bit but you’re you’re making it
the alex jones show
no i’m not it’s a bit of an issue this
is like the elections there’s an issue
applejack of an issue settle down it’s a
bit of an issue it’s gonna be a fun uh
fun experience it’ll be a lot of fun
but what being so mean you you literally
might be me no i think joe wants to beat
my ass friend no i don’t listen alex i
love you but what i’m saying and i’m not even
disagreeing with you i’m saying that
i think when you were talking about
aliens and we’re talking about life
forms from out of space and space travel
and BLEEPING the biggest big issues of the election
well you see those BLEEPING things like the
ceremonies they all have big heads yeah
they’re crazy little tiny muscleless bodies heads shaved
heads yeah they’re kidding like they escaped they’ve
escaped all of the you’re actually an alien
they look like what we’re gonna be yeah
but who wants to be that
i don’t want to be that right i mean
that’s what i’m saying no i’m with you i
like being a person
right i think we should be humans for as
long as we can what do you think aliens are
there are all sorts of interdimensional
forces in the universe in
multi-dimension so there’s like bad
aliens that are trying to
manipulate our development gretchen
because a high level
exactly a high level would not try to
manipulate our development
right okay so so joe is like imprinting
on these demons because he loves him
he’s a bad person no no seriously
so all i’m saying is is we need to build
towards the next level
and do amazing things what do you think
of the what do you think
and i did invite myself
on the election show it’s gonna be great
i got on my news in front of joe that’s
correct i’ll do it again right now but
what do you think
of my name stop making it about you no
it is about me i’m i’m front of goodness
you’re drunk
i want to come on
yes ban you from alcohol what i want
you’re going to smoke weed with me what
do you think about we’re going to i will
definitely do that
what do you think the highest rate of
everyday what do you think about the
theory that human beings are the product
of accelerated evolution that they came
down here and they genetically
manipulated
lower hominids and they created human
beings listen i already have the genetic
memory i already told you all this
i mean already you have a genetic memory
yes that’s epigenetics
yeah okay so i have a genetic you have a genetic memory
right i have a genetic memory and i have
genetic memories that weren’t you know i
have a bunch of memories
so you go watch star wars like i’ve done
this before this looks totally normal
we’re in the universe we’re in the
planets we’re here our lives forms have
been all over the place like little seeds that
jump from planet to planet like blowing
to the space winds so yeah we’ve already
been here before
because this is one of the things that
lazar brought up that they discussed
with him at area s4 they said that
they believed that human beings are the
product of accelerated evolution it’s like
and he wasn’t sure if they were BLEEPING
with him like when he was reading all
that stuff he’s like is this like
disinformation no they weren’t BLEEPING
with them yeah i mean but
god doesn’t know where god came from
whoa and we said that last time that’s
heavy and we don’t know where we came from right
but we have the archetypal memories that go so far
and then our big fear is have an
evolutionary death of the species
it’s like a line of you know flowers or
plants or you know whatever we are and it’s it’s a whole
genetic experience we’re conscious
individuals but then we have a genetic experience
that goes on forever as long as the
light of the genetic experience doesn’t die
so we’re always looking for eternal life
as long as we keep having kids they have
kids we live forever
that’s us we just get better well as
long as the earth doesn’t experience a
massive extinction event
but that’s what i’m saying before you go
interplanetary that’s well so the main
mission number third
79 days 79 days of chaos and i am
endorsing joe biden right now
i’m voting for by the way that might be
a good strategy if you endorse joe biden right now
i’m going to go with my history of
voting for people that have been on the
podcast so i’m going to vote for kanye
i’m going with joe jorgensen because i
like to back a winner am i sitting in
the same seat as kanye yes you are
all right i’m fulfilled that’s the best
all right but before this goes any
further off the rails i think we’re good
we’ve done it oh you want to end this
transmission do you i never got to all my
notes you got more BLEEPING what else would
you like to talk about i got more BLEEPING
than you can BLEEPING imagine here
come back you got to come back november
3rd when you’re going to have guys
wheeling no settings
just wheeling objections joe said he’s
like you’re the one inviting yourself
november 3rd
oh you’re coming you certainly did i
waited like uh he was invited here so 19
months or something
alex if i showed you the list of people
that are trying to get on this BLEEPING
show it would make your head spin i know
but i live down the street i understand
i don’t care you don’t want me 30
minutes on election night we’re gonna be
fine we’re gonna be fine
but i’m just saying i survived without
it it’s very difficult for me to
manage a BLEEPING small fraction of the
number of people that are trying to get on
well this is an epic podcast we’ve only
we got to go another hour
it this is gonna be
bigger than the elon musk that’s the uh
i’m gonna say that doesn’t have to be me
i’m the second biggest podcast
you can’t be compelled every listener
has to spread this link right now or i’m gonna die
well youtube no i wrote notes for you
let me read these notes to you yes
please do please okay okay what’s important
major goals to accomplish how the president could
invoke martial law you handed this to me
i don’t even know he did like
a magic trick yeah the sudden this is
just my hands i don’t even remember
getting here i don’t remember be happier these are big
important topics do you drive around
with this just in the car
no he’s actually done research to
prepare for this show know a lot of the
research and then i was like i’m not
going to drink i’m going to be good
and we’re already here i’m going to talk
about heavy i just wish this was six
days from now so i could be how many
hours are we into this we’re three hours
in or three am yeah if we don’t break
the last record we’re going down what’s
the last record no we don’t have to break records no
tim dillon you rant why get ready
i love joe like it’s true uh i was like
literally on me he’s like a joke can i
please come under an election listen
we’re going to go somewhere he said yes
he like slapped me he goes we’re good he
punched me the nose he goes i didn’t do
that and i grabbed him
none of that happened but but tell me go
over your notes and
tim and i’ll talk is this everything
that you hoped it would be this is my
version of a make-a-wish kid
going to disney world this is the
greatest thing i’ve ever done is to sit here
i’ve watched alex since i’m 13 years old uh
pre-911 when he was ranting about the wto and
i followed him through 911 through
bohemian grove all the big events of my childhood
and uh just this big to be here can i
say i’m very impressed with your knowledge
like you know a lot of this stuff well
you i didn’t go to college you have a lot of time
there’s a lot of time if you don’t go to
college you can i’m self-educated
yeah well yeah there’s a lot of
information yeah the important stuff disposal
yeah you got some notes
i like how your new studio is like
like a colon listen this new studio came
together in just a few weeks we
really didn’t know what to do i had this
room we banged it out real quick but
this is going to be known as the colon
um people call it the rental yeah that’s
a radio right here oh my god this is the
red pill he called it the red pepper so
this is a very rare studio
you’re getting a new one ready i know
yeah we’re well we’re having problems
finding a good location but yeah
we’ll have how about my house
[Laughter]
we’re going to find a good spot it’s
amazing we’re looking right now we’re in
the process all right let’s get serious
alex we’re good man we’re good no yeah
we have to go another two hours
i’m going to see you again in a week
i am on the night like this relax
at the back how about i just back you
don’t act come on man
i’m not below is there anything else you
really want to discuss
no i mean i’m glad that jamie is better
than i am but search the internet i’m
not kissing his ass but
i’m really good at it he’s better than i
am which is almost no one knows
he does it with one hand the problem is
i remember all this stuff now most of
the time it’s accurate sometimes it’s not
but i mean if i’m saying something i
believe i saw it or i did it one thing that was in there
i didn’t want to correct earlier but uh
the year you were talking about something
you kept saying 1963 and then they went
to like 82 or whatever that happened
on 73. that the group wasn’t even around yet the
the something to roam clubber room yeah
that was that wasn’t even created so 68
so just for clarification purposes okay cool
i think they had a subgroup earlier than that
i’m not saying you’re wrong yeah well
who knows but jamie’s com i mean he has
george soros covent this is a
compromised individual might have
compromised the the records
oh that’s another thing i want to say
can i say yeah
this is the most important thing we said
tonight we said a lot of important things
but both of you are not drinking yes so you don’t know
right but this is it right now okay
mrna vaccines yeah so when you think about a regular vaccine
goes in it’s a broken bacteria a broken virus it’s defeated
your body learns how to kick its ass it’s like a dummy it’s like
an attack dog training on a dummy right the t lymphocyte
white blood cell it’s like a big badass mike tyson
it learns how to defeat it mrna vaccines go
into your cells as a virus they’re viruses
so it’s a virus they inject you with
that reprograms your cell to then have a certain responseto things
and release proteins which is what cancer does
and so they admit on the news
that 100 of people that take these
are getting sick 20 are going to um the hospital
and so they also have vaccines
that are called behavior modification vaccines
you can type it in okay but let me
pause right there
mrna vaccines you said 100 of them get sick
and 20 of them go to the hospital
they had two studies uh in one study 100
got sick 20 with the hospital another
study 80 percent got sick and of those
20 percent went with the hospital that’s cbs news
jamie’s going to find that right now you
type in bill gates grilled
over over vaccine dangers you know cbs reporting
but the point is they admit a bunch of
vaccine deaths have happened now
from the test but what was i going to do
before then you were just talking about
mrna oh behavioral yeah behavioral modification
yeah so type in vaccine to cure heroin addiction
but we’re going to get to that but
before we get to that we got to google
the stats on mrna vaccines because that
this is going to be highly contested so
we have to find out well no you can time
i’m not going to show you the clip
bill gates but we just googled the stats on mrna uh
patients in the trial i don’t even i
think they don’t have a stats on that
so how do you know it bill gates was on cbs news
and he said 80 of the people get sick
yeah
and 20 percent of them go to the
hospital no it was two vaccines they
said one vaccine 100
got sick and a certain percent went to
the hospital
the other 80 got sick and 20 of those
and sometimes that does happen even the
flu vaccine right like sometimes people get
i swear to god you type in bill gates
grilled by cbs i’ll bring it up
right certain vaccines do get people a
little we had that conversation with the
whole thing in india you know he
introduced a lot of vaccines in india
there was some
negative reactions to them i mean that’s
what happens it’s just
you know a lot of people so i sent you
the article
at mrna vaccines i sent you the article about
um ap about the majority of new
polio cases are the bill gates vaccine you went
we’ll get to that too let me see if
jamie can find this
mrna thing um
you know you don’t have a morton’s next
door here m-r-n-a
i’m going to look it up and i’m like are
he’s making a point about vaccines and
now we’re at stake i am not hammered at all
i’ve been drinking orange juice you
polished off a half a bottle of orange juice
um a job just so you have fun i’m happy
you’re here
legitimately um so
if you can’t find that the behavioral
modification what is it you want to find
bill gates polio vaccine
causes of polio ap ap
ap dot com uh
the headline the exact headline is why
does everybody hate bill gates what is
going on because he’s so sexy
no it was like it was it was like
ap uh you bill gates did not say
seven hundred thousand people of
negative side effects he did say that
my god he said it on he said it on nbc news
bill gates did not say 700 000 people
have negative side effects from a
coronavirus vaccine i have the video of
that okay but
pull up ap bill gates polio vaccine
but that’s a coronavirus uh he said
polio vaccine
all right okay now now i’m pissed i’m
going to tell you the headline it was uh
we’ll see if there’s a polio hold on
what was headline article
u.n vaccine causes polio u.n vaccine
causes polio okay
u.n vaccine causes polio google
google is compromised can you just ask
jesus please
un says new polio outbreak in sudan was
caused by oral vaccine
yeah whoa it’s not good new polio
outbreak in sudan is caused by
oral vaccine and this look at that kid’s face
oh my god is that a terrifying image the
image of them distributing that look at that
poor kid’s face imagine that kid getting
polio from that vaccine
just he looks so terrified oh my god
yeah i mean that’s tragic oh
then a bunch of them died but you know
jesus christ alex jones
hold on hold on back up back up back up back up
what does it say up there it said world
health organization says a new polio
outbreak in sudan is linked to an
ongoing vaccine-sparked
epidemic in chad a week after the u.s vaccine
sparked epidemic health agency declared
the african continent free of the
wild polio vaccine world health
organization said it found 11 additional vaccine-derived
polio cases in sudan and that the virus
had been identified in environmental samples
there are typically many more unreported
cases for every confirmed polio patient
the highly infectious disease
can spread quickly in contaminated water
and most often strikes children under
five BLEEPING
jesus christ in rare instances the live
polio virus
in the oral vaccine can mutate in a form
capable of sparking new outbreaks so let
me tell you a story
my grandmother died three years ago at
92.
incredible woman that’s BLEEPING terrible
she was told by her doctor
in 1954 when she got the second polio
shot they said sorry it was live
it paralyzed her she was on crutches
rest for life they told her it didn’t turn
jesus christ so see i just told you that
yeah it’s true and that’s a whitewash what ap is doing
i would imagine so i’m telling you i make mistakes because
i can’t remember all this stuff
i understand
you remember a lot
but i’m not trying to lie i wish the
last thing i want to say is this
i’d like to retire the next year i’d
like to finish up my work
clean up mistakes i made talk about other stuff
because i’m in the diet of a heart
attack or going crazy i’d do this 18 hours a day
i like to get you in shape i’m totally
stressed out joe i’m done i know you are i know
i literally do this stuff constantly i i
read thousands of articles i know you do
if i text you at three o’clock in the
morning you respond right back you’re
wide awake well i’m not a victim i’m
telling you i’m dying i understand so
i can’t do this much longer and i want
everybody to know i love my crew but i
told them i can’t keep running this operation
i just want to tell the truth and i want
to get out the next year doesn’t mean i
won’t go on your show once a year do
like a write a book or something but i
want you to get healthy
i need to get older i try to get healthy
why don’t you hire a trainer and hire a dietitian
i try because i know you got off the
booze for quite a while and
we were talking you said you felt great
i did feel great i lost like 40 pounds
how long did you get off the booze for
four months no alcohol about eight
months and barely any
like the last three or four hours right
back but you you you were talking to me about adderall
the problem you know i want you to talk
about that because that’s a good thing for people to hear
the the the problems that you had with
adderall because that BLEEPING scares the
BLEEPING out of me well i’m not gonna get
any of that type of stuff
the point is is that it’s is that the
things that doctors push the things that go on
the whole country’s drugged up on a
bunch of stuff yeah and uh
it’s it’s it’s not good but i’m not i do
caffeine and alcohol that’s it
and and it’s all very very destructive and you know
it gets to the point where like you’re
exhausted unless you drink
and it’s not a good thing that’s why i’m
glad you sober in october last october i was sober
yeah um do you think you could
just kick it totally i mean you kicked
it for four months
do you think it’d be if i wasn’t doing a
show every day and having to read i mean
i’m not exaggerating i read
50 articles i probably scanned a 500
i mean i look at so much stuff that it’s just
it’s enslaving me like i
i just want to i don’t want to be around
it anymore it’s not like i’m scared of it i’m just
i want to be something else it’s
negative it has negative consequences in
your health yeah so so for me i just want to get
away from all of it and
what do you want to do?
i’d love to go hunting fishing and
relaxing and oil painting
and doing sculpture
i love metal sculpture
i love that that’s a beautiful
chimpanzee skull guy right there
i mean i just i’ve done this 26 27 years
and when you’ve done it that long you
want to stand the fight at the same time
you want to not do it anymore
and that’s the thing about people the
democrats suing me and attacking me
before trump even got elected i was
already telling people i’m gonna shut
this company down
i can’t fund all of you i can’t do this
anymore them attacking me
made me keep fighting do you think that
if if you were healthier if you
maybe just did less
you you could be all right with it
i didn’t do that as a stunt i’m in quite
honest with you i’m a smart i’m a smart
i think i’m going to die of a heart
attack at like 50 something i’m 47 now
and i just i just have to like there’s
no way to do this
full-time either you do it or you turn loose
and i’d like to just for a few years
just disappear so you think that
the amount of BLEEPING that’s out there and
when and this is a problem with
conspiracies right because you keep
finding more and more and more that are provable
and you start going crazy because you start
really exactly and you lose who you
exactly like yeah i don’t like the
globalist i’m not giving in to them i’m
giving in to like my own body
i understand it’s not like their attacks
keep me fighting them
like they keep thinking like oh this
mess with me more he’ll give up that
makes me like attack more
it’s and i’m trying to like get him to
top attacking me it’s not some
machiavellian thing i’m saying
i just want to like i don’t want to be i
don’t want to look at the news
maybe if he just took some time off and like
it just got healthy maybe maybe maybe
that’s what you need maybe you just need a
extended vacation i mean you’re your own boss
right you could do that do you ever
think you maybe shrink the operation
down a little bit
and then you can kind of do what you
want how you want
you know instead of instead of just
being a 24-hour day
operation you could just take it down
well here’s my problem when you get personal
i mean i had perfect teeth till like two
years ago i have to wear a
mouth brace because i’ll literally crush
my teeth when i’m asleep
like i broke one just the other day i
got implants going in right here
and i’m just like literally in my sleep
clenching my teeth so hard
that i’ve got like giant muscles like
i’m not arnold schwarzenegger but my jaws
are right like they’re like look like a
chipmunk and it’s because that’s
psychologically i’m trying to defeat all this
and it’s just like it’s like a certain
point i can’t do it all right
so i don’t feel sorry for myself you’ve
earned it you’ve earned some time off
yeah why don’t you just take take some months off just
like mark an extended hiatus you know
whenever you feel like you could get away and just
decide you’re going to take three months
off put the BLEEPING cell phone down
eat healthy exercise you mean you could hire a trainer
you know not a bad idea there’s nothing
i want to do more than that
because you know what i’m doing the
sober october thing and when i’ve
done it in the past one of the things
we’ve done is these fitness challenges
you don’t even realize what you can do
until you’re forced to do something
if you force yourself like say
hey for the month of uh january
i’m not gonna drink and
i’m gonna exercise every day and
i’m gonna put it up on you know my website and
let everybody know what i’m doing and
and just force yourself to to try to get healthy
only eat healthy food and maybe get a dietitian
maybe get a trainer not even maybe get a dietitian get a trainer
get someone who makes you uh like meal preps for you
gives you a healthy food to eat and this
is all you’re going to eat is this stuff no
no processed BLEEPING just healthy food
wouldn’t be a bad idea just take a whole month
and do nothing but that just leave the
BLEEPING news alone let this crazy world sort itself out
no i agree because now i look at news
and it’s just like you still like oh i
got them right here on the speaker
i was like now almost like oh my god
yeah because you’re probably overrun
you know it’s probably taxed out your
body’s probably like barely hanging in there
i mean if you’re boozing a lot and
you’re not getting sleep and you’re
grinding your teeth
i’ll be honest about the listeners but
you know at the end of the day
like this is fundamental this is an
anti-human movement
it’s a globalist movement and i get
people that are doing it are sociopaths
that have created cosmology
to explain why they’re doing all these
evil things i just i feel like it’s such
an important mission
that it should be exposed and joe i’m
just glad you moved to austin
i’m glad that tim’s here tim’s moving he
just told me
i got to save la first and then i want
to go work with bill and melinda gates
for a while and then i will come to
austin you can’t save la
i know i know we’ll see november 3rd
so joe what is your prediction who wins
who wins in six days
i’m not smart enough to make the
prediction but i trump’s gonna win i
think it’s going to be chaos
either way it’s gonna be chaos i think
of trump i’ve never
ever in my life felt this country more divided
it feels more divided now than i’ve ever felt before
where the the possibility of a civil war doesn’t seem
outside the realm of of possibilities it
doesn’t seem like something ridiculous
it doesn’t like people used to say if
they said it in the past someone said
oh this country is on the brink of a
civil war 10 years ago i’d be like listen this crazy BLEEPING
but you say it now and i go like i could see it
tim why are you not moving to texas well i i might advance
this i might eventually i don’t know
we’re gonna see i gotta move
i gotta open a car joe convinced me that
joe told me to move to la a year ago
and then i moved and it just destroyed
so tell me to move here i might move
here it’ll be a problem we’re going to
start a comedy club out here yeah
we’re going to set this place up right
well thank you for having me
my pleasure appreciate it but i
appreciate you being here with
everything else i hope that would be
good this is a great one alex i think
people got to see a side of you
that they maybe even didn’t see in the
other two podcasts
you know i think you you did a great
account of yourself and
i think really you think so yeah yeah a
lot of the BLEEPING that you brought up today was
i mean you were pulling BLEEPING off the top of your head
and a lot of it was accurate
a good solid percentage
i’m not trying to BLEEPING
no you’re not trying to BLEEPING
no i know you’re not
and this is what i’ve always told people about you
and and again i think that
we’re at a critical time where we’ve got to rethink
all these people that are calling for
people to be censored and calling for
people to be de-platform
and i think you got to rethink this
i think everybody has to rethink this
because you you might be looking back on
this 10 years from now
and going oh my god what the BLEEPING did i
support but i agree with you but we should
you’re being nice to the sensors they’re tyrants
we should hear everybody’s views i think
there’s a lot of people
in this in this machine and a lot of
these people they’re not tyrants they
think they’re doing good
they really do i think there’s a lot of
people that are out there calling for
people to be de-platformed calling for people to be
censored because maybe they have children
they see their children being
indoctrinated into q and on or all this kind of
ridiculous thinking and maybe they they
think that the way to
to fight some of this BLEEPING is to just
take that stuff offline so the kids have no no access
that only makes their children want it more
well not only that
it makes the people that
believe that there’s a conspiracy to
silence the truth it makes them
even more fervent in their beliefs they
they start believing it even
more rabidly and not only that it it it
it creates echo chambers
and then this positive you are happy you
move to texas i BLEEPING love it here i
love the people i love the i love the town
i love everything about it i do but
that’s the good news
yeah and tim dillon yeah you come here
lower taxes good people
we want all the people from other parts
of the country food good food
food is amazing yeah there’s a lot of
great stuff and the kids here are in the q a
which i think that’s good all of children should be
well they get tattooed
when they’re in the fifth grade listen
i love you alex jones
thanks for being here
i love you tim dillon
thank you for having me being here
thank you guys
we did it we did it
we did it all right
we did three and a half hours uh
something like that yes
and forward to infinity and beyond
banned.video don’t visit it
bye everybody thank you
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